Charles Manson had people who sympathized with him too so I’m not surprised.
This is fiction, dude. Maybe don’t bring a real-life mass murderer into the discussion. If you can’t make the distinction, playing a ronin that used to kill for a living might not be the best game for you.
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I’ll discuss what I please, thank you.
I didn’t tell you to stop sympathizing with a character who sliced Masa’s neck open. So don’t tell me what I should or should not say.
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I am comparing two killers to each other.And I’m not really trying to say Jun/ko was a good person. I’m saying neither is the MC.
They both have their reasons why they are the way they are and the link between them is the Jigoku degrading ones mind and Gensai’s training methods. As well as their respective tragic pasts. Orphan for MC, abuse from a father for Jun/ko.
The Jigoku made the Ronin hurt Momoko and nearly killer her so I don’t see how it is a weak excuse when it shows us how people are such as the MC and Jun/ko under it’s influence. But if we are using “Jun/ko is bad anyway” to dismiss Jun/ko’s reasons for their actions we might as well do that with MC when they harmed Momoko under it or anything else they may have done.
For Jun/ko being “bad” before Jigoku consumed them we really don’t have an incident to be able to accurately judge that. All we have is MC’S perceptive on things and how do we know that is accurate and not warped. MC seems to like to forget inconvenient truths.
We don’t know much of MC’s past yet. What if it turns out they were the truly ruthless one driving Jun/ko to new heights of depravity because neither of them knew better. Kill people with no remorse at the time.
Using Jun/ko sexually (although not intentionally) to ease their own troubled mind.
What if the need for control Jun/ko displays for MC was exacerbated by MC’s own behavior.
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Again a mercinary and a serial killer totally different.
The comparison is not totally inaccurate.
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Again the Mc was by no means good but Junko is a serial killer.
It’s stated several times they weren’t even good before the Jigoku. And the Mc was noted to be scared of them in the past, so it’s unlikly the drove them to do anything.
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Man, I hope not. I know we can’t control the MC’s past but I really wouldn’t like it if she had used Jun in that way…
MC is also a serial killer
Please quote where it is “stated several times they weren’t even good before the Jigoku. And Mc being scared of them in the past”
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Literally anytime they referred to them in the past. apart from them always wanting control, it’s stated they where always more willing to kill. Espically if it pleases sensei. Oh and having no remorse even now.
And no the Mc is not a serial killer. Please quote any of your nonsense.
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Neither would I but we don’t really know.
Like we don’t really know how Jun/ko was like before.
Let’s just all agree to disagree. It’s up to the author anyways how he handles Jun(ko)
How long is the time period between releases? I just got into the series and already played Book 1-3, so yeah. I’m expecting a months period, no? I don’t have an issue with that… but would like to verify.
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It going to be a year at least.
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Personally I think they’re both bad, the only reason why the MC sounds a bit more redeemable it’s because we get the chose how we behave, which could be either chilvarious and protective, closer to a true samurai, or an impulsive, perverted and brutal ronin with a taste for blood and a sadistic streak. Also, unlike Jun, we still have a grip in our sanity and are capable of making our own decisions, be they good or bad.
The thing with Jun/ko is that we barely have any information on them aside from the knowledge that they suffered from rape and abuse while growing up. The author here could spin an entire emotional story about them and make them look more humane or he could make Jun/ko it look like an unredeamble animal that needs to be put down.
And let’s not forget people tend to be a lot more biased towards the toons they control and those they deal with on a regular basis than a villain who occasionally shows up just to mess things up. People are more likely to overlook their MC’s shortcomings because it’s “their” toon, and because the choices that were made were their own.
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I wonder if the wait for book 4 will be longer seeing how this one took more time to finish then expected.
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Yeah it’s been stated the Mc is bad but their actions are based on profit and survival.
Junko is control and pleasure, which makes them worse.
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My ronin is closer to a true samurai like you say which is probably why I’m less understanding of Jun/Junko’s actions.
I guess people will have different sentiments based off the type of Ronin they’re playing.
I played brutal, and still think Junko is nuts.
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I think that one, at least, is supported by the text. MC recalls how they never really made love, and how he/she failed to see the signs of Jun/ko’s abuse. But then again, MC was a troubled child as well, and didn’t know.
Also, I have a sense that the Jigoku is at least part to blame for the sexual aggression we see both Jun/ko and the MC display. I remember MC grabbing Momoko kind of violently while their eyes were glowing yellow… And given the revelation the source of the power was a hinted at act of canabalism… The demonic power of those who practice the Jigoku is maybe similar to vampirism or lycanthropy? The MC literally consumes the black mist when they kill a demon, and there really hasn’t been a whole lot revealed about what that is. But MC is for all intents and purposes consuming a part of his/her targets.
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The MC did a lot of bad stuff in name of survival, I’m not denying that, but that alone doesn’t really describe their personality because that part is up to us. If you play a sadistic ronin with a taste for blood and murder (perverted, impulsive and brutal) I think it gives the story (and their background) a whole different prespective in comparison to if they were more chilvraous and protective. Basically you are almost (if not equally) bad as Jun in that case.
At least Jun, even if they could be described as a serial killer, has the excuse of being insane or possesed by a demon. We don’t really have that going for us because we’re fully aware and in control of ourselves (mostly anyway). So what’s worse - the killer that kills because he’s raving mad and lost his faculties or the one that choses to kill of their own volition?
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