New Hosted Game! Samurai of Hyuga Book 4 by Devon Connell

Actually, I was considering what we saw in hell. It’s not just always a description of the demon itself but what surrounds them. Genfu - the village in which our Ronin was born was a fishing village, hence the pirates. Mass bloodshed could refer to the pillaging or Ichiro’s sacrifice. Desperate children could refer to Ami-chan and co. or the first victims of our Ronin that we have to deal with.

Obviously, I could be way off the mark. But it came to mind and I admit, I enjoy a bit of theorizing. I’m sure the author would have a blast, seeing my possible absurdities.

Also … Opportunity. Ichiro was supposed to retire. Stumbled over our Ronin, saw a chance.

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Could make sense… Maybe we managed to kill two demons this time. One without a demon form I guess.

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He had one, once he consumed the Kirin

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I think the opportunity demon is very close to us and very well known to us. I may be wrong, but the way he can move and saved himself from the hell release, I might be right. He knows when to act and how to act that’s for sure.

He was not a demon, but the embodiment of hell release (jigoku itto ryo… what ever the name is).

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That a good point, but I don’t think he the demon in the Emperor dream. Because every time ronin killed those demons, a black smoke always came out of their bodies and goes straight to ronin’s body. Sure, he haven’t died yet (not really), but I doubt he among those six spirits.

Speaking of spirits black smoke, did anyone noticed something different about Ronin? So far, I only noticed that ronin’s fate seemed get worse each time those demons slayed.

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Hard to notice when the Ronin’s life as a whole isn’t portrayed as a good one, even before the demon hunt.

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Very ironic because the choices junko seemed to like from me beforehand were distinctly ‘red’ choices. Aka blunt/drifter/ect.

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One doesn’t have to necessarily exclude the other, especially since there constant references to the “demons with the golden eyes” - but as @Vattena pointed out - no black smoke.

Still thought it was a fairly good theory.:relaxed:

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Yeah it was confusing. I played a couple playthroughs, and based on the different dialogues… Jun(ko) is a really conflicted person, to say the least… It makes sense when you realize Jun(ko) is really a jaded innocent who’s spirit has been crushed by a lifetime of suffering and watching the strong rule over the weak…so he/she learned to be strong (thanks to Sensei’s training) so that they would never be a victim again. But deep down, Jun(ko) is distainful of the powerful who prey on the innocent, and of weak people who blindly follow them.

So when you show up, he/she’s angry that the Ronin’s loyalties appear to have changed…You are loyal to the Emperor now…you’ve apparently turned into a Samurai (who Jun(ko) hates). To add insult, your fighting has gotten sloppy, undisciplined, and you rely too much on cheap tricks and luck instead of your gut. So Jun(so) is testing you…and wants to strip away everything so that you can remember what you are. But Jun(ko) is also afraid because he/she knows once you get the Jigoku back you’re gonna leave again.

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Am I the only one who finds Junko very tiresome? :sweat_smile:

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Could I say I love you? :smiling_face_with_three_hearts: because you help me understand manifestly about the intrinsic parts of the characters, besides my own interpretations.

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Your first paragraph is the reason why i love him and the second is why i can’t romance anyone else ;___;

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I’m almost done with my first run for SoH 4 and probably take my time in Chapter 25 (or probably wait for the save option to be available) but here’s my thoughts overall.

Summary

It has been a roller coaster ride for me. There are moments that I cried, got angry, sad and chuckled. I admit that some actions or scenes makes me squirm due to it’s dark content especially if you’re not interested in Jun (in a romantic sort). I’m glad that I have some liberty to say no though limited.

Getting to see characters get fleshed out are as interesting, the MC included. Makes me want to hugged and protect my Ronin from darkest dangers to be honest.

Another that hit me hard was the exchange between a romanced Tosh in the masquerade. It was so heart breaking for me. I didn’t got sleep properly after reading that scene.

As always, looking forward to Book 5.

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nope

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Lets try this again.

Yall telling me Jun “dies” at the end? I’ve been swooning over this man’s since 2015 when the first book came out, and my ass STILL CANT BE WITH THEM?! Reeeeee.

That aside, give the poor man a break. He’s had a terrible life. Just killing my dreams here author. I want to be murder husbands with Jun and have a very angsty relationship okay? Leave me and my husbando be! Hmph!

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It’s not entirely confirmed, but it’s very likely.

Oh, come on. It’s just not ~dramatic~ enough. There’ll be some descent into the afterlife or spirit world at some point, if just to yank Masa back.

wild idea, the mc uses hells release style to cut a new portal to hell deminsion to save jun.

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I played through Books 1-3 before delving into Book 4. Personally, I think it’s the weakest book in the series.

The ending was fine (esp given the insights into the protagonist’s past and their relationship with Jun(ko) and Gensai and the reveal that Ichiro is Gensai’s son was actually pretty great, so kudos to that). The scene between the protag and Gensai is subject to your own taste. TBH, I didn’t really understand the whole cannibalism subplot in relation to the protag’s past until reading the forums. Upon reflecting, it was very well-executed. It doesn’t really excuse Sensei’s behaviour, but it’s fiction (shrug).

I think it would have been nice if the protag’s feelings for Sensei could have been explored a little more before we got to the end of Book 4 (where you yourself decide how you feel about Sensei), and also to have the CHOICE to say thank you to Sensei or not, just to make that bit more powerful. Imagine if you’ve always respected Sensei but felt guilt for his death, and then you could make your final peace with him. Or imagine if you always felt like you couldn’t live up to his expectations, but at the end you come to peace with yourself and decide it’s time to cast him aside (SPIRIT ATTUUUUUNEMEEEENT). That would have been powerful to me. Just a bit of constructive comments. The existing ending is not necessarily bad, but it could have been a lot better with some adjustments. Gensai is the strongest character throughout the series, despite being mentioned very little. Everything about him is consistent and at the end, I totally get him and his motivations.

However, the middle bit? I just couldn’t enjoy it.

TL;DR for the below: Jun(ko)'s character was inconsistent and tiresome and in some cases really creepy (extra creepy if you play a woman and Jun is a man) (YMMV). The protagonist’s behaviour towards Jun(ko) also didn’t make sense to me.

Jun(ko)'s behaviour just didn’t make a lot of sense to me, nor did the protagonist’s behaviour towards them. Once they got together (like, began travelling as a pair), it had a weirdly comedic element to it. When Jun(ko) treats you like an animal, I was appalled and surprised to find the protagonist just take it in stride. I mean, sure, you can attempt to survive it, but there’s no humiliation? No embarrassment? At all? The protagonist had been so cautious and alarmed of Jun(ko) in the previous books that letting down your guard just made me lose my suspension of disbelief. Also, the protag at this point, having travelled and developed their bonds and become a more mature character has some semblance of dignity. It was whiplash to see someone who only ever did what they wanted and felt was right… allow themselves to be subjected to such things.

Jun(ko)'s behaviour in town was also like… 50% implausible to me. I can get the surprise at civilisation, the protagonist’s reputation, so on. But sometimes I feel like the developments in town (why on earth did Jun(ko) agree to distribute armbands in the first place? Unless they always had an inkling that Ichiro was the one? That would be a pretty interesting point.) water down Jun(ko)'s key trait, which is an obsessive and single minded character hellbent on their target. I mean, I feel like that’s how Jun(ko) was established in the past (carving the protag’s stomach comes to mind, which the protag themself didn’t like or enjoy).

I can see the appeal in Jun(ko)'s character as the traumatised, twisted, obsessive, brooding childhood romance (and the accompanying resignation that the protag had from the beginning of them ending up together whether the protag liked it or not - though I’d interpreted this as being the result of Jun(ko)'s destructive obsession, rather than fate) but even when you do want to end up with them, you have to accept that you’re going to be in a humiliating relationship until the you that they want to see (Protag-chan who can wield the Jigoku) returns to them.

I played through the game twice - once to pair up with Jun(ko) and once to pair up with Toshi(e). The writing wants for you to be with Jun(ko) so bad that, if you were to consistently reject them, the protag’s behaviour comes off as incomprehensible. Also, what if you made the choice to unwillingly submit to the assault? That’s entirely possible and realistic (yes, I know this is still fiction and a game) but if you play a character that is being unwillingly subjugated by Jun(ko), it’s possible to unwillingly submit to the sex too. But maybe I’m just getting ahead of myself and this game is all about consent (given the safeword). Regardless, it’s hard to see Jun(ko)'s love as that of being someone who wants some sort of equality between partners. Rather, they demand your love and devotion in the only way they’d ever known (given your twisted past together where you had some level of dependency on Jun(ko) - again, especially true if you play a girl against his guy). If you can accept Jun(ko)'s twisted and obsessive love, then generally I don’t think you’d have an issue with Jun(ko).

BUT. I wanted to play a character who has emerged from their cocoon. Where they cast off all the shit in the past, desired to be someone who loves and is loved (despite being perverted) and who can respect as well as be respected. Unfortunately, that kind of attitude (which has been built up from the past 3 books) does not jive well in a relationship with Jun(ko). It only works literally with anyone else you’ve been romancing.

If you’re romancing Toshi(e), the scene at the masquerade doesn’t necessarily come off as strong? You build up such a powerful relationship with them where you can lie to each other and still know what the other is thinking throughout the first 3 books that, the fact that they just up and leave without looking at the distress on your face and trying to hear what you’re saying is strange? They know that Jun(ko) is bad news, regardless of whether you want to be with them or not. I hope that Toshi(e) is still quietly observing from afar like a good shinobi with sharp instincts, despite their duties.

I liked the trick with the attunement. It was extremely well-played. I’d hoped that, at some key point, you could make a vital choice to align yourself with the Jigoku or your spirit animal, and at which point you could enter the Spirit Realm and speak to Masashi/mi again.

These are first impressions. I think I may replay slowly one more time, at which point I might revise some of my opinions.

General summary:-

  1. The ending with the original jigoku trio was actually well-crafted storytelling
  2. Whether you like Gensai or not, he was a damn well-written character
  3. Save me from Jun(ko) bc No Thanks!!!
  4. Couldn’t relate to the protag who was with Jun(ko) bc some sort of metamorphosis was happening and I couldn’t understand it (and also wasn’t liking it)
  5. Didn’t enjoy the extreme linearity of the book, neither did I enjoy the lack of companions which sort of made me LOVE the series in the first place
  6. The only way to love this Book is to love Jun(ko) and man, was I not the target audience
  7. I did appreciate the copious amount of sex scenes (Perverted has increased) and would have liked to see it for your other love interests. Appreciate that you can choose to reject sex with a safeword bc, again, No Thanks!!!

These are just my opinions, so don’t feel like I’m attacking you if I’ve disagreed with you. I hope the next books will sort all this out, because as much as a good detour to resolve your traumatic past is well and good, I’m still in it for the high stakes adventures with companions and shenanigans.

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It’s actually (slightly) worse if your mc is a gay or bi guy too, then in addition to the above by traditional (Japanese) standards you’ll be totally emasculated too. :unamused:
Not that submissiveness is or should ever be characterised as an unambiguously positive “feminine” trait either.

Hard to achieve after being forever visibly branded as a submissive slave, which is now literally carved into the mc’s chest. :unamused:

That would actually make it even worse them witnessing all of the humiliation and submissiveness of the mc and would pretty much eliminate any chance of being equal partners with them in a (gay) relationship too. :unamused:

Amen.

Yeah, if I were to continue which is highly likely I won’t my mc probably wouldn’t want sex ever again with anybody. Jun has permanently ruined one of the things my mc enjoyed most and the extremely humiliating slave brand is just the icing on the cake.

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