Ironheart - Discussion Thread

I unlocked it for you, so there you go! :3

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@lynossa @Cyphr Thanks! Much appreciated.I couldn’t believe it was 60 days since I posted it - like many of us, my sense of time is skewed at the moment…

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Thats a great news because theirs a lot of potential that you can do on this settings. In your next sequel hoping to meet anna comnena or the byzantine empire or meet the pope or go to china or go to muscovy or participate in the hundred years war. Definitely a lot of potential here. Hahaha just getting excited. keep up the good work.

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Ah, Anna Comnena is actually in Ironheart, although if you blink you’ll miss her.

At the first feast, if you remain fairly sober and ask Ygraine about her position as a knight, she’ll explain that the “Empress Anna of Byzantium” had written treatises on the rights of women which had been instrumental in changing the medieval mindset. I love Anna Comnena so boosting her to Empress was one of the first things I did in my alt-history backstory. :slight_smile:

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Yeah i read thru that just hoping we could meet her in person and served as her vassal and take back anatolia against the seljuk and fatimid.

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Direct sequels are a terrible idea anyway. It’s hard enough to have meaningful branching in the course of a single story; carrying it forward into a second requires an absurd amount of pruning.

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Considering how cleanly Ironheart can end, I must agree that if a return to this setting does occur, it should be an indirect sequel rather than a direct one. Overall, indirect sequels tend to allow for better freedom of plot movement compared to direct sequels (Not to mention avoidance of all the variable headaches just to program in existing flags from the previous game).

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I think was thinking of a sequel using Captain Gretzsky, but then that would gender lock the story and that doesn’t work for a CoG title. But I wouldn’t mind an HG title doing that just have her waking up at a different point in time or perhaps in the Americas with the Mayans or Aztecs.

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Yeah i understand that. Just hoping that we have a sequel to this game it doesnt have to be a direct sequel since the author has already ended the story but just an indirect sequel. Hahaha

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Im not sure if this is a bug. but during chapter 3 or 4 the part where building your fief up. I upgraded the village twice at the same time. But i cant do it again.

Ah, that’s probably not a bug (though I’ll double-check). You can actually build twice in one season if you have a population of more than 400. You should get some message from your steward to that effect.

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I love this book but there’s was one thing that made me feel irked about the plot, did Vivienne ever feel angry at her situation, and the life she missed out on with OC? What made me feel irked was that she seemed so willing to be married off to a Muslim man, when she was a women from the future who that sort of arrangement surly was long since bygone?

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That’s a really good question. Viv is kind of reluctant to go into too much detail about her early days in the 12th century so the reader is left to make their own mind up about a lot of it. However, I can tell you what I had in mind while writing it:

She tells you the first part herself, that she was fished from the Sea of Galilee when her capsule opened and that Saladin “gave” her to one of his lieutenants as a wife, mentioning that she sees this as a kindness because he knew this lieutenant was a good man who wouldn’t mistreat or take advantage of her. There’s a subtext here that this was the best way Saladin, who had already come to respect her, could secure her safety and position in society.

There’s also the possibility that Viv is experiencing a touch of Stockholm Syndrome and that her affection for Saladin and Malik Adil is closer to the preservation instinct that causes hostages to join their captors rather than any real devotion. I intentionally wanted to leave that open to interpretation, an unanswered question…

In my own mind, however, this wasn’t the case. My private backstory is that Malik Adil is just as he appears to be, a cheerful, clever and peace-loving man, someone with very progressive views for his time. Not only would he not have taken advantage of Viv’s situation but he would have treated it, as Saladin had known he would, as a marriage of convenience, allowing her complete autonomy. In time, the two genuinely fell in love and their fake relationship became real. They had Sana, Viv told Malik the truth of her life, her fame as the Sorceress eclipsed his own rank. Everything was more or less peachy until the Old Man of the Mountain stuck his oar in…

So that’s the backstory I had in mind as I wrote. I hope it goes some way to explaining her motivations. I wanted her life to feel complex and uncertain and to have a bittersweet undertone, especially if the player had been in a relationship with her. I guess the messiness of that question - what if the person you love suddenly aged 40 years overnight and was happily married but now you might be attracted to their daughter - just had a perverse appeal for me!

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You hit the nail right on the head, I couldn’t get over the feeling of “what?! She is married!? But what about us! That what made me feel really weirded out and kinda upset haha! Thank you so much for this it’s really cleared up the path Viv took to end up where she is, though I suspect I’ll still longingly think of ‘what if!’

I guess your not able to say cause Marjorie spoilers, but I have to also ask, is there the potential that other crew members were spread across the world? Too far away for even 12th century grapevines to carry the news of weird capsuled enclosed humans from China or North America. All I’m thinking is some majorly alternate nation in America led by a power hungry future human.

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Can anyone help me how to reach 400 population before the end of chapter 3???

@Tristan_Fenton I did have some ideas along those lines when I first started writing but I gave them up as it seemed that would be taking in a little too much ground, both geographically and narratively! Still, there is one crew member, aside from the two you can meet, who could still possibly be alive and living it up in some other part of the globe. :slight_smile:

@Marx041 I don’t think you can do it before Chapter 6. I think the best thing is to build irrigation early, since that has the biggest effect on population growth.

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I wondered if I could get your opinion on an alternate ending to the book I made in a fan fiction I’ve written? Well sort of?

Well I thought maybe that once OC has lived a life in the 12th century and upon their deathbed rather then actually dying they wake up back in the future, and discover that the ship did have an accident and OC was put into a coma and the Chinese scientist did die, but depending on if you were a history buff depends on if you dream of the past when in the coma? Really this was my attempt to get OC a plausible way to have their adventures in the past but also have their life with Viv. Thanks for reading!

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It’s been years, she moved on.

Chapter 3 hasn’t even introduced you to your fief yet. If you mean before the end of chapter 6, then like Wiwyums says, the farm is the most important thing. It starts at 204, and the farming project can bring that to 234 by the end of chapter 5.

After that…hm. Basic population growth is 10 + fief strength/5 - bandits/5, with bandits starting at 50 and fief strength at 30, so default at 6/season. But your irrigation development adds another 6/level to that. Most building choices add 10 populace directly, except for irrigation which adds 25 directly in addition to other effects. As far as ways that you can spend your time, riding and hunting adds 5 more, and doctoring 15, though the latter can only be done once. Going out to slay the bandits can also reduce that variable, increasing your natural population growth by up to 10/season, though that growth only kicks in currently in season 3.

As I figure it, this means a maximization strategy can get, if you’re a doctor:
265 by the end of season 1, building level 2 irrigation and slaying ALL bandits
302 by the end of season 2, building level 1 walls and doctoring
347 by the end of season 3, building level 2 walls and riding/hunting. (You’ll need to take a loan)
404 by the end of season 4, building a hospital and riding/hunting
Which I guess would give you one season, 5, of double-building. At that point, I guess a school and mosque/chapel would be your best choices, followed by more riding/hunting, giving you 461 population at the end of season 5.

Oddly, you can then get 5 more people by turning everyone away from your hospital, once it becomes a magnet for the sick. I get a population of 498 doing this, at the end of the chapter.

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Not for us though, it’s been minutes, put yourself in that situation, for you to wake up and your partner isn’t now massively older and married and your a distant fling for her, but to you she’s still yours. That’s got to be the biggest mind blast and twisted feelings dump for anyone.

Oh, my, I just found a significant bug. @Wiwyums, this is probably a rare one to hit, but if you keep making empty promises to Oleg and his minions, things go a bit awry. Specifically, lie that you’re going to help him, but don’t tell Viv about it, and don’t bring the dagger in that he wants you to, Rashid comes to approach you again, upset that you didn’t cooperate. If you placate him and promise, again lying, to do what’s needed, it goes to some scene to attack King Baldwin. Since it was a lie, you’re supposed to be able to do a doublecross, but you’ve got an extra ! in your code.

11_mountain_of_fire, lines 374-376:

	*if (treachery != "lie")
		#Unfortunately for him, I have already informed the @{(aide = "Tonzo") king|caliph} of his plans.
			*goto doublecross

Meaning you can only choose to save the king at that point if you didn’t lie to Rashid. Rather spoiled the ending for which I was aiming.

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