tbh same, but my mc would even prefer that way
but because he’s pathological people pleaser as well he ended in botb and now he’s suffering hehe :^)
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Lilith is the name.
lol
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My MC is definitely professional and laid-back (stable) I think they could be friends and vice versa lol
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But hey I’m waiting the chap 2 (part 2) updates so it’s gonna be interesting
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Has Amy really given information that leaves that impression?
I agree that, in the Patreon POVs, Avina comes off as an enabler. They also feed Seven’s hatred of the MC, always reminding Seven of what the MC did to them. But, on tumblr, Amy said that Seven has grown a lot since they were with the band, and some of those ways have yet to be revealed.
I think the only thing we’re “meant” to see with Savina is that Seven is holding back–hence the comment from Avina on the bus that they want to crack Seven’s head open to see what’s inside. From Avina’s POVs, we see that all they want is Seven, really, and they know Seven is holding back but think they make Seven “happy”. Amy has repeatedly said that Savina is a friendship, and that it just looks “different” from other friendships (the nightly spooning and extremeness of them being joined at the hip). And that all of Avina’s behavior is because they want to take care of their friend. I mean… Amy really couldn’t do more to support the “Avina is perfect” narrative unless she got a flashing neon sign to announce it.
I think the only thing hard-coded into the MC personality-wise is the fact that they were a people-pleaser in the past. I still can’t really grasp why the MC wouldn’t tell the band to fuck off and go do their music with Seven, even if they were a people-pleaser.
A fear of confrontation makes a hell of a lot more sense to me–like, for the MCs who voted to keep Seven, they were afraid to stand up to the band and also afraid of Seven being upset, so they were just like a deer in headlights, too frozen and afraid to do anything. That would fit with their parental situation, too. Since the parents could never be bothered with them, they weren’t doing what a lot of teens do in rebelling/fighting against their parents. So it’s not so much that the MC wanted to make everyone happy, it’s just that they never had the spine to stand up for what they wanted/believed in.
This ask:
Particularly this bit: “Avina is naturally the kind of person who apologizes first because they don’t see the point in arguing so I guess they sort of fit together haha it works out !”
That is what happened. Seven never pushes Avina away, and gives in to what Avina wants, while Avina is thinking that Seven is gaga over whatever they’re doing and needs them to breathe. If Seven ever really shut them down, I think Avina would apologize and kiss Seven’s ass for it, then proceed to keep doing the same thing, because that bitch doesn’t understand how to leave Seven the hell alone for two seconds.
That’s the thing, though. I don’t think Avina would allow Seven to cut ties with them. With SV? Maybe. But not them. Avina would chase Seven down and force the issue, insisting that Seven let them “help”, because that’s who they are.
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Sorry I keep responding to you randomly you just always have super thought out responses and you typically view characters quite differently than me so it’s nice to read your point of view 
. On this specifically though, I feel like avina is a very flawed character though they seem saintly at first glance. in their endeavor to ‘take care’ of their friend they honestly do more harm than good, ie. becoming their yes man, nurturing codependent behaviors, fostering unhealthy boundaries. They may think they’re doing good but what they’re doing is ultimately very harmful and allowing 7 no room to grow lol.
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Not that they were doing that good even before.
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Oh, I agree with you on this. The way I see it myself is much like you do–Avina coddles Seven, wants Seven entirely dependent on them, constantly seems to feed Seven’s hatred of the MC, and is basically a crutch for Seven. Like you said, they foster unhealthy boundaries, to the point where there are no boundaries.
I just don’t think that’s how we’re supposed to view it, based on things Amy has said on tumblr. I may be reading her wrong (lord knows, it wouldn’t be the first time I walked away with the wrong impression!), but I got the feeling that we’re supposed to view Savina as a good and healthy friendship, one that is way better for Seven than MC/Seven’s ever was. Does Seven have issues to work through? Hell yeah, but Avina is painted as some sort of a saint, right down to the fact that they always apologize if there’s an argument with Seven, no matter the circumstances. That’s the main reason I’m keeping my MCs as far away from Seven as possible–I don’t like Mary Sues like Avina!
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lol true but avina makes it about 400 times worse
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Is that canon?? Bc if they do spoon and cuddle at night then that is seriously some kinda sh*t that my mc does not want to mess with lmao. Like u can have seven avina my mc cannot make this bed situation work 
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https://suno.com/ so I just discovered this site lol (where you can generate any music style, and add lyrics (you can add yours too)) anyone know this?
Ps; are we allowed to share link?
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Pretty sure Viktor will air it if he thinks that’ll bring eyeballs to the show, and they already lean into using relationship between MC and Seven for it. Everything is just a tool to the success. Everything.
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When she says that is she talking about the public demo, or the rewrite? Because a lot of us here aren’t on Patreon and haven’t seen it yet, which leads to this being two different conversations.
It’s possible that band was right. Just because Seven found near immediate viral success with Soft Violence and MC and their band were/are treading water doesn’t mean that Seven and MC together were a good combination musically.
Or, possibly, they knew that the band (and the fans) were right. No matter what they personally may have wanted. This brings everything back to the whole “why are you still playing in a band with your friends” issue that keeps coming up when MC is in conversation with the other contestants.
There is absolutely nothing healthy about that. Bolded text in particular.
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Right?? I mean don’t get me wrong I’m not “team avina” but I do feel kinda bad about the fact that they feel as though they have to say sorry a lot and always make excuses for seven.
My main mc will call seven out when they argue if they’re being an ass.
No spoilers, but I do like how in the new demo there are hints of what went down during the original big blow up fight. It makes you feel more involved in the action as it were.
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I am currently committed to not giving a damn.
We’ll see if this changes that.
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i actually was so excited when i found this a couple weeks ago because I do not have a creative bone in my body lmfao. it’s super useful
edit; for making songs for the game, not personal use. 
i’ve still got my eye on…….ai
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My whole thing is that if it was unhealthy for Seven to be in a one-sided co-dependent relationship with the MC, it’s unhealthy for them to be in a fully reciprocated co-dependent relationship with Avina. There’s no way to slice it, dice it, or do mental gymnastics to flip it into something else. I truly do believe that all the information we have leaves this impression. Now, I’m not sure in what ways the band has inspired Seven to grow, other than by elevating in fame, but as you’ve stated, we have yet to see any evidence towards this.
Fair, but debatable. We’re essentially learning more about Seven and Avina’s relationship and are able to draw certain conclusions from what we’re reading on Patreon, since Amy is allowing us to see the story from both of their points of view. If we aren’t supposed to view it the way we are, then it’s not being written properly to convey how we should view it. This is obviously us speculating, and there’s no disrespect intended if Amy is trying to write their relationship one way that isn’t being projected, but their relationship is one-sided in many ways and co-dependent, and then you add in how they both truly feel, and it’s going to be portrayed as dysfunctional and unhealthy. While readers can sympathize with Avina and Seven, neither of them can be viewed as flawless, healthy, or superior to the MC in any manner. It would take some mental gymnastics to see them that way. Savina is worse than what Seven and the MC had.
I would say the narrative is mostly pushing at us that Seven believes Avina is perfect, and even then, they’re more than likely lying to themselves because if they start finding faults in Avina and their relationship, their security blanket isn’t as secure as they once believed it to be.
I understand why you feel that way now. I’ll believe it when it happens in the game or from a POV, though. I just feel like Seven would fold quicker than Avina would be able to apologize because they don’t want to risk losing their crutch the way they lost the MC by exploding in anger.
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TBH I feel sorry for readers who can’t see the povs bc they aren’t subscribed to patreon- don’t get me wrong, Amy is allowed to put whatever she wants on there and the money rate is a lot cheaper than many other patrons I’ve seen- so don’t get to see the side of Avina that we see.
If I didn’t see the posts on there I would just probably be neutral about avina, but the way they think and are in them comes across as very deluded, clingy, and misinformed. 
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Holy fuck, this got long...
Well, there’s this:
Honestly, I can’t tell when she’s joking or not, so it may have been a joke.
There was some code that got accidentally left in the last time there was a public update. I won’t go into details, but I will say this–Viktor would not allow anyone to find out about the impromptu duet, if he could help it, and he’s definitely not fond of the MC at all. That may change in the rewrite, but at that time, that was definitely the case.
It was a general comment on her tumblr, not specific to the public demo or rewrite. A direct quote: “Seven has grown and changed in some ways and has remained the same in others, MC just doesn’t see it (yet).”
I don’t think the band made the decision based on their musical compatibility. It seemed to just be a knee-jerk reaction to the ten fans the band had preferring the songs the MC did over the ones they did as a duet. At least, that was my take from what Amy has said and what we have seen in-game.
Now, it’s entirely possible that the band felt the MC/Seven relationship (be it just friends or otherwise) was too toxic and they acted due to that. I mean, if they knew Seven at all, they had to know Seven would go off the deep end at getting relegated to backup singer.
Maybe some MCs would know the band and fans were right, but I wouldn’t think that would apply to all of them. But I agree on the thing with being in a band with their friends–I really think there’d be some karmic justice in the MC getting an offer for a solo contract and go do that because it’s what’s best for them. Of course, the reverse could happen and the band members could get offers and leave the MC with nothing, so who knows.
Do you really think they mind, though? They seem perfectly happy chasing Seven around and patting themselves on the back for being better than the MC and making Sev happy.
And, like you, I like that there are hints now about how the fight went down. I think it adds a lot to the game to have that introduced earlier with the flashbacks.
I don’t sympathize at all with Avina anymore, lol. I should, I suppose, but their superior BS POV rubbed me the wrong way, as does the way they chase after Seven every time Seven is in a snit (Seven seems to constantly be in a snit), and won’t give Seven any space to breathe. It’s suffocating to even read it, for me. I’d be told Avina to get the fuck away from me and learn to take a hint when I go off alone. But, of course, Seven likes the attention, deep down.
Hmm… maybe that’s a more accurate depiction of it. That it’s Seven who sees Avina as perfect, rather than the narrative itself. It’s difficult to distinguish, since it’s mostly from the MC’s POV and how they are viewing it, so we see it through their eyes. But there’s also all the stuff Amy has said that seems an awful lot like defending Avina and painting them as perfect. Every other character gets hit with the “truth” from the author–Seven being in an unhealthy mental state, G being a wreck, etc.–but Avina? Well, they’re always painted as sweetness and light. It nauseates me, lol.
Eh, I’d hate them no matter what. The character is just like nails on a chalkboard to me. It makes me want to write fanfic of bad things happening to them, which irritates me more because I hate torturing characters too much. Usually…
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It’s kind of funny how so many times Tumblr posts barely correlate with the text of the game. Like, just so much fun to comb through a blog for relevant information, so sugoi!
Sarcasm implied, of course. It’s important to drum up engagement and that’s one way to do it, but man, does it suck when a bunch of very relevant info is hidden in the tumblr blog. Last time I was there I read a prompt where MC and Seven were fucking in the toilet.
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