That series left a lot to be desired. I just pretend that, due to the nature of Black Magic’s abilities, they mentally manipulate their appearance to be the most physically appealing to the MC that they can.
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Now thats just bullshit. No way in hell they do.
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I’ve said it before in this thread: if a RO is super popular, that means many people have played their route and the (arbitrary number) 1/10 of people that strongly disliked the route enough to talk about their dislike seem much more numerous because so many people have played the route (and the game).
Also is it just me, or is half the appeal of a celebrity crush the fact that they are unattainable?
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This is true. Plus, they tend to be a bit more forceful with their dislike when they get pushback from the fans of those characters. People defending Junko actually made me hate him even more!
I never really had celebrity crushes, so I don’t know. I think some of them are hot, but that’s more like a passing, “I’d tap that” than anything else.
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Where is Prodigal in this list?She blackmailed a teenager into betraying you, can kill a innocent journalist, bomb a city, try to kill you and your grandmother, etc.
Can’t understand why someone would love her.
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She wasn’t even supposed to be RO, but you know… fanservice
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I made this poll out of ROs I’ve seen people mention here or elsewhere more than once, otherwise, the list would be so much longer 
I also haven’t played Heroes Rise myself so apologies!
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Heroes Rise is a serviceable enough trilogy, and I personally had fun playing those games, but if our discussions here and in other threads are any indicator, it has its quirks.
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I remembered another. I forgot his name, but it was the friend and rival turned into enemy from Slammed. Guy destroyed your career and people still want to romance him.
Best ending for me is the one where the other bad guy broke his leg and destroyed his career and then the MC goes to become the wrestling champion.
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Yeah, JJ
Well, some of us aren’t defending them exactly. We know they are trash, but we just love that trash! Like, yes! Give me more morally corrupt characters that are totally ruthless and obsessed with MC! I like those stories, in real life it would suck, but in fiction… yes. Just, yes.
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I’m never going to defend them as a person, there’s no way to justify that, but as an interesting character, with what seems like what should be a fascinating storyline, very much yes
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I never read far enough into the series to form an opinion of Jun/ko, but it tends to be that I can’t often separate fictional messy characters from real life messy people - meaning, my brain treats the character as it would see them as a real person, and the type of messy that Jun/ko is, as described by many, many people in this thread, means that I just plain have no use for them.
Are they an interesting character? Sure.
Do I think they’re a bad character, just because I don’t like them? No, of course not.
Am I going to give them the time of day? Hell no, got better things to do with my time.
And unfortunately, that last point means that I’m not going to be returning to the SoH series anytime soon, since Jun/ko is an important, unavoidable part of it, and I simply have no interest in interacting with them.
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What kind of “interactive fiction” is this if reader has no choice about the character like Jun/ko and in many other things?
Maybe they should have just written a novel instead…
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Interactive fiction does not mean you have control over every thing, especially if it’s for the story. Samurai of Hyuga has been clear what type of interactive fiction it is and how much control the player will have from literally Book 1. If you’re still playing and complaining about it even though we’re at Book 5 then that’s on you.
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@Zyrios Jun(ko) passed from a flat sociopath yandere in earlier books, to an actual well written sociopath in book 4 (still sociopath, though), while book 5 made indirectly his/her mad rants about the Ronin make so much sense 
The advice I can gave you is: if you have any other character you are attached to, hold your breath and endure book 4, it does not get better afterward but at least you are not stuck with one companion for all the book.
@anon67111821 It’s always been like that, SOH is the closest HG title to a traditional novel.
The changes are:
- Which RO you want to Fç%£, but remember they’ll always show their not so subtle feelings for the Ronin anyway, if you refused them you get more tame dialogue and just skip some scenes
- Sparing or killing Daisuke in b1: if you spare him, he’ll come back later to be put on bus at the end of book 3 if he survived; if you kill him, Geiko will take his place, otherwise it will be like she’s never existed. Sidenote: Ironically according to the side stories both characters are canon.
- Who do you call to the end of book 1, the monks or the militia? Who you called will be the Lioness’s goons in later books
- Who do you side with in book 5, the samurai or the common people? Who you bring along will get your sensei’s gold.
Technically there would also been a few more but it’s to soon to tell if they’ll either have consequences or be irrelevant.
@No_This_Is_Patrick Complaining about SOH being railroaded is pointless, but I think criticizining how it’s railroaded it’s still legitimate. Like some out of place and pointless memory quiz or giving you three fake choice of killing a certain character when the only one that actual works is the fourth and last one because at that point, why do you even bother to give me those ones?
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See, that’s the kicker, the story was already flagging for me before Jun/ko entered the scene. I probably would’ve still quit reading, but it would have taken longer had it not been for the arrival of a character that my brain immediately shut down on.
Yeah, they might evolve as a character, and like I said, they’re not bad just because I hate them, but for a series where I was already starting to tap out in the early chapters of book two, that was the final nail in the coffin for me.
But anyhow, I feel like this is a discussion better had in a more suitable thread, like maybe the Mechanics You Hate one, since we’ve deviated to railroading woes. We’ve gotten in trouble here before for going too hard on SoH out of hand, I don’t want to accidentally do that again.
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tbh the book where you’re forced to be with jun/ko and with all the stuff that entaiiled was what made me stop reading that series. I know some people like that stuff and it’s not that I think that people should never write awful people/ROs but the being forced into it…yeah, I didn’t want to slog through an entire book that was making me uncomfortable. A pity, because I quite liked the series previously.
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Has there been much discussion on the “Other” vote in the poll? I voted other for Marcus from Defiled.
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… Why does everyone hate everything I love slakaklskajsn
I voted for Black magic because (and I previously said it before) they just suck. Straight out suck. They are trash but not even spicy trash like Jun(ko), they’re just a huuuge jerk.
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