I’ve only gotten it that way with Milon, honestly; I assumed it would be similar for Obren but maybe not? I’ve not yet done a m/m route with the Marshal so I haven’t tested that route for myself yet.
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You’re forgetting Vedran there, in flashbacks you can actually see how Vedran feels towards the MC by going to the character screen in the stat menu when it changes pov to young Marshal and when it changes pov to Vedran you can also see how he generally feels about him too but yeah Belos death being less impactful and more abrupt is intentional to convey just how distant and out of touch he is with his family, hell he even described it himself how he wanted to feel grief for him but just can’t.
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Yeah, there are the Chapter 5 and Chapter 8 flashbacks, specifically the changed stat screens. The Chapter 5 flashback in particular is full of family information.
@Nemureru_Mori If you are straight and in a relationship (M!Marshal/Lada, F!Marshal/Milon)/not romancing anyone, you will get the scene in which you don’t cut yourself. If you are romancing Obren (M!Marshal/Obren) he will come to your room at the end and you will get kisses and cuddles (that he couldn’t give you in a more public setting) from him.
@fsix Yes, but Ending 3 Marshal gets to wear a shiny lump of metal on their head! Who cares about your mental health when you have a crown?
@Zaya27477 in a bit. I have to play it first.
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No, this can happen for Marshall on the second path (“i hate myself”) as well. It did for mine. I didn’t check the script but i imagine the talk with Daring helps in general, regardless of what path they’re on.
edit: so i went and checked out of curiosity. Turns out the dagger scene will play if MC didn’t romance Obren. If they did, they get scene with Obren instead. Also, it won’t play for the MC who usurped Elya. No (mental) rest for the wicked.
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Could you give me screenshot in chapter 5 about Vedran’s family view ?
Yep haha👍
Also, it won’t play for the MC who usurped Elya. No (mental) rest for the wicked.
Considering that in the Ending 3 epilogue the Marshal is seen grinning while sitting on the throne, which, by the way, Darin finds really disturbing, I believe it’s the opposite. No matter what attitude your Marshal had towards self, it all got “overwritten” when you embarked on the glorious path of the Usurper.
After all, the self-harm came, for the most part, from the Marshal’s self-loathing and inferiority complex. While the Usurper suffers from none of that and is fueled mainly by egoism and jealousy.
Basically, the Ending 3 Marshals are too busy enjoying themselves and their newfound power to continue harming themselves. Or, at least, that’s the way I like to see this.
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I’d argue that villains triumphantly grinning or worse yet, cackling, are rarely a sign of actual mental health. But yes, the self-harm might get overwritten by deep paranoia, anger issues and other typical behaviors of unhinged individuals drunk on power.
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villains
“That’s just like, your opinion, man…”
overwritten by deep paranoia
Are you implying that MC wasn’t already suffering heavily from it?
anger issues
I’d say it’s better for one’s mental health to be angry with others (what, I assume, you think the Usurper will develop) than with oneself (default Marshal).
unhinged individuals drunk on power
You are saying this as if the Marshal hasn’t been unhinged for quite a while before s/he even started thinking about couping anyone….
Marshal is doing what the villain of the story has been doing. If the shoe fits, then it fits.
No, i’m implying it’ll get a magnitude worse. Up to now there were some people Marshal could trust. That’s not really the case any longer.
We’ll have to agree to disagree. I don’t think taking your issues on others is better for anyone, and especially not for people who are put on receiving end of such abuse. Just imagine how better Marshal’s life would be if Sobik wasn’t so eager to take that supposedly better route.
I’m saying they’re now also drunk on power, something they weren’t really before. Which is likely to change dynamics and behavior quite a bit.
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I actually hypothesized (in I, the Forgotten One Release Thread (1.2) - #1825 by Snowflower ) what would become of F!Marshal if Mira focused on getting her out of Wrido and out of her sight (read: sending her to foster in Jutrea with her betrothed’s family) without fully acting on her impulse to take out her fury on the child-Marshal. She’d definitely be better off mentally.
Obren sides with the Marshal in Ending 3 because they are currently the one with the biggest stick (and he’s siding against Rade), not because he approves of their actions (he muses on it in Ending 3 even though I don’t have the exact screenshot. It would be nice to learn more about his motivations in ITUO post-B1E3). Milon and Lada are also having second thoughts about their feelings for the Marshal during their Ending 3 departure from Wrido (if romanced) and if they aren’t romanced, they are using their need to head to Jutrea and raise levies as a pretext to escape Wrido (and the Marshal’s sphere of control) in Ending 3.
The “personal greed” bit is true. In the end of Chapter 3, the Marshal gives him an off-ramp from the path that he’s on that will give him what he’s supposedly fighting for (compensation for the veterans of the Border War, which is fair), except for the crown and (maybe) Elya’s hand in marriage, and will likely allow him to return to Reicester with his head on his shoulders. He doesn’t take it.
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the villain of the story
I’d argue that Rade is less of a villain and more of an antagonist. He has his villainous moments, sure, but he isn’t an outright villain, I would say.
i’m implying it’ll get a magnitude worse
It might, but probably will not. Most likely, it will be left up to the player.
Up to now there were some people Marshal could trust.
Darin, Elya (it not envious of her), Milon/Lada/Obren (if romanced). That’s pretty much it
The Marshal is fully sure that Darin will come around eventually (even if s/he is mistaken, it doesn’t matter in the context of this discussion), Obren always sides with the Marshal, the same goes for romanced Lada/Milon.
Random nobles and other people of importance could never be trusted.
I don’t think taking your issues on others is better for anyone
I think it’s pretty obvious that it’s better for you to hurt others rather than yourself. At least, from the point of self-preservation.
and especially not for people who are put on receiving end of such abuse
This isn’t the topic of this discussion, is it? We are talking about the Marshal’s mental health, not the well-being of whoever was unfortunate enough to become the victim of his liege’s wrath.
Which is likely to change dynamics and behavior quite a bit.
Hopefully, in a more productive direction.
The man is an unrepentant murderer and actively leading an act of grand treason out of personal greed. I can’t quite imagine what else he’d need to do to qualify as a villain in your eyes.
Romanced Lada/Milon get the hell out of the city and as far from the Marshal as they can. They explicitly escape rather than simply go to take care of their estate, the way they do in the other ending. That’s not siding with someone. Obren and Darin don’t have any real reason to remain loyal, and it’s something the Marshal will have to sooner or later acknowledge.
Physical aspect of self-preservation, maybe. Mentally there’s nothing healthy about it. Let’s not forget the simple fact the Marshal is in the fucked up place they are precisely because they’ve been made to hurt and kill others as part of self-preservation from very young age.
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@Zaya27477 Here are the flashback screenshots:
@Bacondoneright Darin’s hair is dark brown in the flashback but black in the playthrough.
Also, the bug where Darin isn’t added to the (present day) character sheet stat screen if we don’t meet him in Chapter 1 and don’t fight the guards is still present. This screenshot was taken in Chapter 2.
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To me it’s a representation of the marshall finally letting go of the shackles of servitude and finding freedom.
That was the first time he actually did something on his own volition, without anyone steering him into that path, so he finally can be himself and overcome his self hatred.
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Yeah, the Marshal still slaving away for the family despite all the abuse they’d received did remind of some people from abusive families not cutting ties when that would be healthiest. Because of all the baggage of the medieval social structure, that would be tough to actually do though.
Although, throwing the one family member who actually has been loving to you in prison and setting up a dynamic where you’ll inevitably need to kill her is going way beyond just cutting ties.
And I think that and the fact that the usurpation is likely to make the violence worse is why ending 3 makes the marshal a villain. I really don’t care about treason against monarchs very much since I think the kind of authority someone like Sobik has lacks any intrinsic legitimacy and tend to see all feudal lords (monarchs included) as being pretty similar to a bunch of godfathers but those other factors of needing to harm a lot of people to achieve the Marshal’s ambition are a problem.
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For me, Usurped throne is normal thing between royal sibling/family.It’s not evil or not saint action. It’s dynamic of power. If Elya want it back she have to fight for it by her support and own army . she have prove herself she take it back from Marshall.and that is simple rule. (ํNo sibling or family issue if It involve with power and the rightful king/queen is people who success size and secure their throne during their reign.I think Marshall or Elya have right in Throne but depend on their own way . (Elya by birthright /Marshall by Usurping throne and winning war over all lords ))
In GOT Show ,Jora Marmont said to Daenerys that Aegon the conqueror have right on seven kingdoms because he can conquer all of kingdoms . I think maybe It can use the same with Rade’s or Marshall 's case
I want Marshall free from Sobik’s plan (He want Marshall to be War tool for Freya) and Kantos 's Honored System
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It’s not a normal thing, really – the laws of succession are there precisely to avoid this kind of self-indulgent shit and at least limit the number of idiots who’d run the country into the ground just so they can then sit on a pile of ashes calling themselves a ruler.
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Law is silence during War .That is Fact .That why this is perfect opportunity for Rade or Usurped Marshall. Sobik is dead. No one enforced law or punnish you for rebellion.
That’s not fact, but more of bullshit excuses from people who don’t know self restraint. If it was an actual fact then war crimes wouldn’t be a thing.
This is evidently false. Some opportunists may indeed not care but they don’t make everyone. Although they sure like to smear everyone with their own shit as if it somehow reduces their personal responsibility for their own actions.
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