Guenevere (WIP)

And that’s a bad thing?

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Can I suggest one, and potentially a horrible name for it [that is also a fate reference. Oh well.]? (I can’t seem to find this in these lists, but I died on the forums for a while. And I felt like doing something to tell myself I still exist here, haha.)

Lady Camelot: Execute an excellent defense of Camelot in Book II.

(For the record, the reference is to Galahad’s ability in the Fate series “Lord Camelot”, which is basically a giant shield skill.)

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I prefer morgana being the dom to my gwen >:)

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I can’t say I’ve given a great deal of thought to the individual kinks of each character, but if you’ve ever gone through that scene, Guen’s pretty much Arthur’s domme to an extent. If you choose that to be the case, that is.

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Some hundreds posts ago, I have showed my surprise when I found Poison Queen has a thing to dominate Hippie. I never guessed up really , even if somehow fits her and Hippie. In fact she was very bossy in her honeymoon due the shy Arthur was. … No problem Arthur seems to love it so who am i to judge

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa I love all these achievement ideas! Thank you everyone! :smile: I’ve never personally been that into achievements, but I do definitely plan to include them in Guenevere because 1) I know lots of people like them, and I try to give people what they want, as much as I can; and 2) There are things you can do in the game that have no meaningful plot consequences, but ought to be rewarded somehow…

For example, in the Camelot battle, there’s a risk that the castle might burn – not to the ground, since it’s stone, but all of the roofs and other wooden structures can be burnt up completely. Guen can prevent this, either with magic or by diverting the castle’s water supply, but at the moment there’s no real in-game reward for doing so, other than people being happy that the castle is intact. An achievement could make protecting the castle from fire seem like a worthy goal just for its own sake.

That said, I’m terrible at coming up with achievement names, so I’m very very very grateful for all the suggestions here!! I’ve bookmarked this part of the thread, and I hope it really is okay if I use some of these ideas.

And here are a few things that should definitely be achievements in the second half of 2:
–mastered the evil sword (which has a name btw and you will need to know its name to master it)
–rescued the captive knights at Michaelsmount and made it to the top of the tower with all of them
–made it to the top of the tower without any of the captive knights
–no serious damage to the castle
–made friends with a weasel
–met Lynette as a child
–got in a bar fight
–trade agreement with Frankmarch (Getting them to call off their troops is easy. Getting an actual treaty in writing is not.)
–blackmailed Grimald
–earned Tilda’s trust and loyalty
–achieved desired outcome on chosen branch
–peaceful outcome on 2/3 branches
–ruthless outcome on 2/3 branches
–peaceful outcome on all three branches
–ruthless outcome on all three branches

There are more, but some of them are way too spoilery (e.g. what can happen to Arthur if he fights Meligaunt).

Okay, okay, I’ll keep it in mind… but honestly I have no idea if it will be possible… :slight_smile: I do like the idea of making it the hardest achievement somehow.

I try to avoid doing this whenever possible, but it still happens a lot. I’m getting better at writing blocks of text with little tweaks based on *if-statements instead of using the same paragraph twice with edits. But yes, I do end up copy-paste-editing more than I should.

Not a bad idea if I can work it in! There are a few hints here and there about how other people feel about her, but atm we don’t really see her doing a lot that would be off-putting (other than magic).

I actually was approached once by the writers of another WIP about trading game references, but I think they stopped working on theirs… I’m not opposed to including some easter eggs like that, but, as you say, by the time Guenevere is published, they’d be pretty out of date… so that’s probably something to keep in mind for the future but not mess with right now.

Thanks again to everyone who suggested achievements; I’m sorry I couldn’t comment on them individually, but they’re wonderful and I really do intend to use some of them! :smile:

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Oh, very well, if you insist. :grin: Here are three ideas I came up with off the top of my head:

You Win Or You Die: Guen usurps control of Camelot and disposes of her enemies by specializing in manipulation and blackmail.

It’s Only a Flesh Wound: Guen loses an arm in combat at some point.

The Sword of Promised Victory: Should Arthur perish, Guen takes up Excalibur.

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I actually was approached once by the writers of another WIP about trading game references, but I think they stopped working on theirs… I’m not opposed to including some easter eggs like that, but, as you say, by the time Guenevere is published, they’d be pretty out of date… so that’s probably something to keep in mind for the future but not mess with right now.[/quote]
Hmm… an interesting crossover in my mind would be with Pendragon Rising since it presents a fairly unique take on the Arthurian story that’s very different from this one - less true to the lore and more “historically accurate”.

@Jeantown

Here’s an achievement idea:

You know how I like collecting weapons as war trophies? Yeah, well, how about an achievement for that?

Achievement name: Weapon Collector


In-game:

“-and this is the weapon I looted from an assassin Duchess Tilda of Frankmarch killed!” Guen points at a dagger

“This is the dagger I looted from Hrothulf the Saxon!” Guen points at another dagger

“This is the sword of Meligaunt the half-giant sorcerer!” Guen points at the magic sword

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@jeantown

In regard to redeeming morder.
Perhaps it could be less redeeming and more softening ?
As in Turning him from Tyrant to Ironfisted but Just ruler ?

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From ‘Mordred the Murderer’ to ‘Mordred the Merciful’

It seems like it’d work, but maybe only if it’d be in his interests to be kinder, as Guen stated earlier that Mordred could be nice to Guen but only if he saw her as a useful ally.

And @jeantown this WiP is awesome, like when I’m CoG I have to play it. And there’s tons of stuff already–
the potentinal for this game is this big ← → (All the way around the Earth to the other little arrow.:wink:)

And we need a MorganaxLance and a MorganaxArthur scene (Although the night with Athur and Morgana is pretty good, I like how it portrays how close they are) for all the fanfic writers who’ll be clawing at your door, @jeantown

So, one thing to keep in mind is that Mordred is going to be both smart and popular. He’s not going to be the kind of villain whose minions live in terror of him because he executes people at the drop of a hat; he’s going to be the kind of villain whose minions love him and would fight to the death for him because they believe he’s making the world a better and safer place. Mordred has high charisma and generally acts kind and respectful toward everyone except some of his enemies. The “affably evil” trope describes him about 90% of the time once he grows up. As a child he’s not so affable, but he’ll mature.

All that is to say, Mordred could theoretically maybe be redeemed from being inherently evil, but his modus operandi can’t really be softened, since it’s already surface-level soft. And, as I’ve said before, he’s just about impossible to manipulate. (For one thing, he’s a master manipulator himself; he also has an extremely strong sense of who he is, what he wants, and how he’s going to get it.) Only a complete change of character would change him at all, and I’m still not totally sure if that would even be possible.

@fairlyfairfighter :blush: Thank you!

Hoping I can provide some of this in the enchanted forest sequence in part 3. :smile: Though if you’re hoping for something that could be interpreted as romantic/sexual tension between Arthur and Morgana, you’ll probably be disappointed; they’re siblings and there simply is no such tension. That said, there should be lots of opportunity for all sorts of character interaction, in various combinations, in the forest.

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Ewwww… although perhaps it was a mistake on my part.
Vagueness…

I was thinking more a scene where we’re not their (obviously Lance may act differentlly if we’re there, and Arthur might think stuff he doesn’t say to offend us, but would say to Morgana-- since their close.)
Maybe it was the x’s?
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That said, there should be lots of opportunity for all sorts of character interaction, in various combinations, in the forest.
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I have something to look forward to.

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If Mordred is so driven, can he even fall in love with us? If we are to romance him, we’d probably be the supporting role. :frowning:

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I think Mordred kind of embodies the idea of the charming psychopath. Master manipulator to the extent that he can wear a mask of genuine feeling that gives him the charisma he exerts so effortlessly, and that’s ingrained into who he is.

Even a genuine romance option with Mordred would be far-fetched if it resembled traditional romance. From the sounds if it, it would be seen more as a mutually-beneficial partnership; at least from Mordred’s view.

I think the closest thing Mordred would get to love would be to pursue a partnership with Guen because he can’t ignore the potential rewards that such a partnership would reap. In terms of a genuine romance…I think that’s always been off the table.

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I’m pondering how my Guen should deal with the snot-nosed little upstart when the time comes. Hmm… volunteer to babysit him and then “accidentally” boot him off the roof of a tower, perhaps?

Also, if Arthur is killed by Meligaunt or another threat, wouldn’t that make it so that Mordred couldn’t be conceived?

I think he has plot immunity until Mordreds conception, but bad stuff will still happen if he gets injured (might blame you, distrust you, injured so cant help later on etc.)

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All three of the main characters have ‘plot armour’ until the seventh book, so they cannot be killed. They can be wounded of course, but not killed until much, much later.

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Ah… and here I was in such a rush to save Arthur from Meligaunt. Oh well. I suppose my Guen doesn’t have to hurry home, then…

And as for sweet lil’ Mordy… he doesn’t have to die, just no longer be a threat to Guen’s rule. :smiling_imp:

I think bad stuff will happen to Arthur if we dont help him or get Lance to help him.

My Guen, Lance and Morgana (and Arthur) are all going to stick together, since If I’m light magic and fighting then we’ve got all the stats (Arthur-- Leadership, Fighting., Lance-- Fighting, Leadership, Morgana-- Dark Magic, MC-- Light Magic, Leadership)
Running through the code we can actually choose 3 of the things and pass pretty much all the stat checks, although as of yet the checks are for single things, and being good at 3 things isn’t that much of a benefit.

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Heh… your Guen is pretty much the polar opposite of mine. She went her into the marriage kicking and screaming, but if she has to go through with it then she may as well get something good out of it. Cold as ice towards poor Arthur and Lance, but as for Morgana… what better way to get close to Mordred when he’s at his weakest and most vulnerable than by helping his mother raise him? I split mine between fighting and dark magic. Leadership skills… not so much, though she can deliver a fairly rousing speech when drunk if I do say so myself.

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