Guenevere (WIP)

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Mostly that’s just reflected in the trust stat, so, for example, if Guen kills Hrothulf and admits to doing it, she’ll lose some trust points with Arthur. Eventually, it will be possible for some actions to cause a huge drop in trust (if it was there to begin with), and the “your majesty” thing is the first of those to appear. There will be more, for all of the main characters. (One predictable one would be Morgana’s reaction if she finds out Guen has been cheating on her with Lancelot.) Lancelot’s trust should increase if Guen flirts with him and generally acts convivial.

Yes, definitely. Camelot has a standing army of ? maybe not quite a thousand ? professional soldiers, and then a peasant militia in the thousands when needed. The knights are nobility (some by birth and some by merit), and there are maybe 30-40 of them in Book I. Some of them own land and have armies of their own, while others do not.

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*whispers * The Arthurian legends themselves are anachronistic. So
 you’re perfectly in tune with ‘canon’. haha

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So what stuff are the knights required to do? Are they not part of the army? What are they for other than for filling Round Table seats and doing quests and such.

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@Jeantown

As long as they kill each other, I’m sure that it’ll be satisfying. That is the main point, yes? Similar to how we can perpetuate the Frankish Civil War?

The Romans might be so focused on the Romano-Saxons that we could focus on killing Mordred, and see where it goes from there.

Also, is Julia murderable? The Ruthless Ambitious Guen killed Hrothulf
 and Cornelia hates her
 so Julia probably hates her too.

And why does it seem kinda creepy that you answered my question even while missing my post?

@jeantown If Guen is pursuing a romance with Morgana, but they didn’t do it on the boat, will Guen get a chance to tell Arthur that she’s in love with Morgana but they haven’t had sex yet?

The Guen I have that’s romancing Morgana has already told Arthur she’s attracted to women, but they’ve been trying to produce an heir anyways, so their relationship is pretty amicable. I don’t know how that news would go over with a Guen who’s been mean to Arthur, however.

What, they need to do other things? Knight errantry and seat-filling aren’t enough? :wink:

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They collect shrubs to use to pay for passage, for instance, and attempt to sharpen herrings. :neutral_face:

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Well if that was all they were for then
 Arthur can just ask Merlin to conjure moving suits of plate armor, yes? or put armor mannequins in seating positions. No one would know the difference!

Knights of the Round Table, medieval decorations from the time of King Arthur! [quote=“Taylor_Enean, post:6712, topic:1996”]
They collect shrubs to use to pay for passage, for instance, and attempt to sharpen herrings.
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This flew right over my head
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And they produce Broadway plays.

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and

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Oh, they absolutely go to battle when Arthur does. They lead units in battle and/or serve as cavalry and/or advise the king. (Is this not evident in part 1?) Nobles just aren’t generally considered soldiers. (Though Bedivere sort of gets away with being both.)

Perpetuating the Frankish Civil War is a long personal quest for Guen, described in detail. At the moment I’m not planning on writing something like that with the Romans and Romano-Saxons.

Not ruling it out, though you won’t have the opportunity for a long time.

:slight_smile: idk, since I majored in Latin and used to teach it, I get a little annoyed when people try to lecture me about classical Rome as if I’m obligated to make Guen’s Romans historically accurate. So when the mention of Romans came up, I wanted to head that one off asap. Thank you for asking instead of lecturing, and I’m sorry again that I missed it. :smile:

Ack, it would be good if I could arrange things that way, but it wouldn’t work with the way I currently have the final scenes planned out. (meaning the second opportunity to have sex with Morgana is slated to happen before the conversation with Arthur would be possible.) If I can find any way to change it, I will, because I can see where you’re coming from and I would like to be able to make it work that way.

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I can’t wait to see why Lance has such a problem with Guen telling him to refer to her as his majesty- after all, that’s a pretty common expectation for your monarch to request, whether you’re bffs with the king or not. I’m guessing something to do with his old lover?

I also love that despite the fact that say, Lance likes convival people, and Morgana (presumably) likes them sensible, and Arthur likes them goody-goody, you can still make them fall in love with you.

Like, I like how regardless Lance says he fell in love with you at first sight and was fond of you because you were wonderful in a angry or a sad or a happy or ambitious way. Morgana can fall for the sweet air-headed idealistic Guens. Arthur can like stuck-up ruthlessly ambitious vain Guens. Just so long as you’re kind to them, not a dick, and don’t cheat or anything. It’s just very nice and gives it a lot of replayability. Soooo many interesting combos!

I love Arthuriana because of the immense amount of genres and changes to the recipe and this game gives endless material for that to do with as you please. And for a lot of romance routes you basically have to become in-line with the li to romance them, and it’s nice to play opposites attract (in a sensible way).

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Ok, I’ve been tweaking my Guens, so I thought I’d post them here. I don’t have as many as the ever-creative @buggygirl11, but their profiles are pretty lengthy.

Me-Guen: basically, my personality. This is the one I picture living in Shogun Era Camelot.

  • Skills: leadership and both varieties of magic
  • Pet: a dog named Baxter (or maybe Indiana)
  • Personality: Intelligent and reserved. She reads a lot of fiction, so she’s very romantic. She’s also kind of moody, which is as close to bipolar as the game mechanics will allow. She vacillates between depressed sulking and euphoric implusivity. Her beliefs and core personality, however, don’t change.
  • Idealism vs. Cynicism: In the middle. She wants the utopia that Arthur aspires to, but she’s also practical enough to understand all the obstacles in the way.
  • Feelings Towards Marriage: Initially, she was feeling both depressed and dutiful. She spent a lot of her childhood learning about politics from her dad, so she knew the marriage alliance was necessary. However, it still wasn’t something she wanted. She deals with it by using her position to make the world a better place.
  • Relationship with Arthur: Even though she was reluctant to marry him at first, she came to love him and his idealistic goofiness.
  • Relationship with Lancelot: Like I said earlier, she’s very romantic because she reads a lot. And Lancelot fits the idea of a perfect love that’s formed in her mind. So, of course, she has also fallen in love with Lance. She feels tremendously guilty about hurting Arthur, but she can’t help falling for Lancelot.
  • Relationship with Morgana: They’re good friends.
  • Plan for Book 2, Part 2: Guen escaped after Morgana, and then was saved by Lancelot. They confessed their love for each other and agreed to a celibate romance (just like in the storybooks!). Her plan to save the day is to go to Frankmarch and stop the invasion from even starting. Lance will help with translations (unless I discover that I don’t have enough bonuses to keep Arthur from getting injured at Michaelsmount).

Ditzy Guen!

  • Skills: light magic and combat; maybe leadership?
  • Pet: a dog named Bandit
  • Personality: Sweet, cheerful, and girly. She’s a friend to all living things. She can hold out her hand and sing a song and a bird will land there. And she loves pretty dresses and fun parties. She also enjoys swordfighting and bashing bad guys’ heads. Despite being a bit air-headed, things always seem to turn out well for her.
  • Idealism vs. Cynicism: Very idealistic. She fully believes in Arthur’s vision and is as blind to reality as he is. Fortunately, Lance and Morgana are around to keep them both in check.
  • Feelings Towards Marriage: She was completely fine with it from the start. She’s too upbeat and optimistic to feel like her rights have been violated by an arranged marriage. On the contrary, she was thrilled when she found out she would be crowned Queen. Her plan is to have as much fun as possible while also being the kindest queen of all time.
  • Relationship with Arthur: She’s gay, so she can never love him. However, they share the same dream and are both interested in combat, so they’re good friends.
  • Relationship with Lancelot: Again, she’s not romantically interested, but they are friends. They both like fashion and dancing as well as fighting, so they get along well.
  • Relationship with Morgana: This is more complicated. At first, Ditzy Guen was mistrustful of dark magic practitioners, like many other people in the Gueneverse. However, Morgana was very kind to her, and something about the sorceress drew her in. Guen was shy about her feelings at first, but by Book Two, she had fully embraced the idea that she was in love with Morgana. However, they didn’t do it on the boat, partly because she’s still shy and partly because the circumstances are a little too kinky for her. (I’m sure there were several instances during the escape sequence where Guen said something stupid and Morgana was thinking, “Why am I in love with this idiot?”)
  • Plan for Book 2, Part 2: She will either go to Camelot and save the day or go to Michaelsmount and save the day. It depends on whether or not I decide to build her leadership stat. (It’s a useful skill, but I think she’s too air-headed to really get into politics.) She’ll send Lance to take care of whatever she doesn’t do herself.

I’m also working on an ambitious Guen, but I don’t have her fully fleshed out yet. No matter what game I’m playing, my “dark” characters always feel one-dimensional. Plus, I feel really uncomfortable playing them. I always have to play a happy-go-lucky character afterwards.

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Guen’s request is reasonable, especially under the circumstances, and Lancelot’s anger over it is indeed irrational. There probably won’t be a specific in-game explanation for it, but it may make more sense once more of his backstory is revealed elsewhere. Overall, though, Lance doesn’t like titles much in general. (He does call Arthur “your majesty” sometimes in public, but he does it almost as a means of drawing attention to the fact that he doesn’t have to). He’s no great believer in hierarchy (having grown up without a clear place in it), and that’s one of the reasons why he supports Arthur’s vision of a less hierarchical world.

Yeah, it would seem weird to me if you had to be a clone of someone in order to have them fall in love with you
 pairings of opposites are common in “real” life and can lead to really interesting, productive relationships.

As do I, obviously! Thank you for all of your kind words! :blush:

@Mim :smile: I love your Guens! They both sound fun to play, and should (I hope) have lots of ways to develop in the future.

I will say right now that it will technically be possible, but you may not like what you have to do in order to achieve it. (I’m seriously afraid people are going to murder me when they figure out what they have to do to get a success at Michaelsmount in absentia.)

I have the same problem. I always end up unintentionally coming up with character-development reasons why they start being better people like 1/3 through the game, or I have to play an Arthur-like character in order to recover. :relaxed:

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Now that you mention it, it is odd that Lancelot expects you to treat him like your best friend from the moment you meet, even though you’re the queen already. I hadn’t noticed it before.

Maybe if you tell us now, our anger will have cooled by the time you’ve finished Book Two? :wink:

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why do I suspect it has something to do with the fae pet.

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Oh, My god don’t tell me I have to be good to make Hippie become a member less pirate!. Well, In a way I did already. I cured Mr. Giant and let Titus go with him. I hope that will be enough to get him hurt.

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I did that once with a Renegade Shepard. Needless to say, the game was not pleased with me. I was happy, though; I had her romance Thane, since he was undergoing similar character development. :slight_smile:


That can be interpreted in a very dirty way.

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I did it purposely. Sound more badass epic

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Oh ok. I’m sorry; I’m a little slow when it comes to dirty jokes, even though my parents both had very filthy minds.

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Hippy wouldn’t lost the third arm lol. It has plot boxers Mordred is unborn.

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