Guenevere (WIP)

The main thing is that an affair with Lancelot could result in children while an affair with Morgana could not. Sex isn’t as scandalous as bastards, and the people would want to be sure any of Arthur’s children are actually his.

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Sorry if I missed any questions or anything in all the other discussion… just tell me if I did. :smile:

@Florence Thank you! I’m glad you like the game, and I hope the same.

Guen can end the game as co-ruler of Britain with Morgana or Lancelot. She can’t legally divorce Arthur, but it will be possible to get him… out of the picture, in both kind and unkind ways. Can Guen end up legally married to Morgana or Lancelot? I’m not 100% sure yet, but possibly/probably, depending on the circumstances. It wouldn’t happen until the very end of the game, though.

This, exactly. No, the Guenverse doesn’t have to be constructed this way; I could have chosen to make the culture different. But I wanted gender and children to matter in the game. If I ever write another game, I’ll write a culture with different attitudes toward those things.

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I think I like the fact that you have gender and children to be important in this game, and the prospect of playing Guen as she raises her child, whether it happens to be Arthur or Lance’s, is awesome. But yeah, maybe with your Robin Hood game you can have some more flexibility since you’ll be allowing people to choose the gender of the characters. (Is it too much of a male fantasy to imagine a male Robin with an otherwise entirely female band of Outlaws? Lol.)

Also excited to read the book prequels, let me and the rest know when those might be done!

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@jeantown
In part 2 if Guen doesn’t go to Michealsmount (or send her pet) to help Arthur, in part 6 can that be used against her?

@derekmetaltron Thanks! And yeah, I feel like there’s so much interesting potential, with a Robin Hood story, to see what happens if the reader can choose different combinations of genders for all the main NPCs. As for the prequels, I will definitely let you all know when they’re in any sort of readable shape.

Probably not; at least, I don’t think it would be used in any really devastating way. Guen will be remembered much more for what she chose to do in part 2 than for what she didn’t do; Arthur is more likely to be blamed for whatever failures happen as a result of Guen not being able to be in three places at once. (Of course, if Guen fails on her chosen branch, people may remember that.)

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Will Lancelot being told to go rescue Arthur have any later effect on their relationship?

I always send Lancelot to help Arthur (I can’t let him get hurt, but frankly my Guen is better off at Camelot. Strategy love and all that), and I would hope Lancelot pulling Arthur out of fire would make them better friends, even if Lancelot did it because Guen said so.

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Probably not, since Lancelot has rescued Arthur from all sorts of things over the years, so that’s just status quo for them. Wherever Guen sends Lancelot, he’ll be seen as helping to fix Arthur’s mess (status quo), so that choice alone shouldn’t really make a difference in Arthur and Lance’s relationship.

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I was just thinking,
(a) For a Guen that doesn’t care about Britain and it’s people what are her chances of just using her abilities to burn them both to the ground in the final story?
(b) After Arthur and Morgana do the deed will we get the chance for a manipulative Guen to make Morgana hate him for the reasons that Guen do?
© Is it possible to absorb abilities? Meaning that if Merlin dies can we take his power and become stronger automatically?

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I am starting to realise how much nicer my version of Guen is compared to most people. :wink: Worst thing my Guen does is teasing Arthur and even that’s playfully since she finds his naivety tiresome but endearing.

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Pretty high, I’d say. If not burning to the ground, at least destroying by means of foreign armies.

Morgana’s reasons for (possibly) hating Arthur will always be her own, but they could easily overlap with Guen’s.

Unfortunately, no. If Guen had that much power, there would be no plot. :smile:

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@jeantown I’ve just discovered Guenevere and I’m OBSESSED! I’ve already played it through 4 times and scanned through (and joined which I never do) the forum. I saw that you’ve had a crummy year and I wanted to say I’m sorry and I hope it gets better and continues to stay that way.

I had a question regarding a comment that you mentioned earlier that Elaine has premonitions and that Lance knows and so he wouldn’t think about an affair. Does that mean Geun doesnt get to continue a physical relationship with Lance after he’s married?? Cus if thats the case Elaine has to gooo. Well I actually struggle with that because I am a “good Guen” and I genuinely get distressed when I cause characters emotional distress so being in a love triangle is both exciting and SO HARD for me and nothing has even gone down yet! Your writing is the first I’ve come across either in games or novels that seems to easily set up this triangle without it reading as forced, weak, or corny. I’ve ranted enough for my first post lol.

Thank you for your writing, I can easily say it’s the best COG I’ve played through so far and I enjoy your writing as much as any of my favorite authors!

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@lexilent Yaaay, thank you! I’m so glad you like the game! :slight_smile: Welcome to the forum, and thanks for the well-wishes. I’m happy to report that today I actually went into my (finally fixed) little upstairs office and shut the door and opened my Guen files for the first time in a month! I’m going to re-read everything and make a few little edits before I start working on new stuff, but with any luck, I’ll be able to make some progress again, at last.

As for Elaine… Yes, her clairvoyant abilities mean that she would know if Lancelot was involved with anyone else; the real question is how she feels about it. And she will, in fact, be okay with it (more than okay, actually), as long as everyone is up front and honest with her. She won’t be in love with Lancelot and she’ll know he’s not in love with her. Their relationship will be more or less positive, depending on Guen’s influence.

hee, well, the love triangle itself should be able to be navigated without loads of immediate emotional distress (just be careful what you do and don’t tell Arthur at the end of part 2). Emotional distress is coming for everyone eventually, though (love triangle or not) – but Good Guen can try to alleviate it rather than causing it.

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@jeantown
1.a. Does Elaine profit from her marriage/relationship with Lancelot?
b.Can Guen convince her to become her ally?

  1. Will the game measure the emotional distress of the characters
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Yes, absolutely.

Yes, absolutely.

hmm… I hadn’t planned on that, but if it becomes useful, maybe?

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Will you let us know what small fixes you end up making? :smile:

@Shockbolt Sure; in fact, I think it’s likely that I’ll upload the little edits (such as they are) to the public files by the end of the year. Thus far they’ve included better internal-monologue options for asexual Guen – rather than the stupidly limiting option tree of “lesbian / bi / straight / ace,” she can now specify being ace AND non-sexually attracted to a particular gender, or both or none – as well as @OtherGrimm’s request that the narrative not assume that just because Guen had sex with Arthur once, she’ll always do it again. I won’t be incorporating everything on my to-do revision list, because I know I’ll be coming back to part 1 again and again in the future, but it can’t hurt to do a few of the smaller, easier things now.

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Maybe they’re less effective when their emotional stress is high? I remember that dark magic like Morgana’s depends on the strength of the caster, so if her stress is too high, she’ll be weaker, which could be good or bad for Guen depending on which side she’s on…

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But how do you separate an emotionally weak Gwen and a Gwen that is pretending to be in that state?

Edit: oh you mean the others characters.

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It really shows that if you see this through - and I’m getting every confidence that you will Jean - that you’ll end up creating one of the most complex but perfectly playable interactive story experiences ever told, and with a very compelling and characteristically fluid female protagonist and her three supporting cast to boot. If I was a Time Lord I would happily use my TARDIS to zip forwards, nab the completed material and save you some work, paradoxes be damned. :wink: I know that Part 2 has become a bit of a monster but I also know when it’s finished - and the prequel books to boot - you will have earned a much needed rest.

…then get the other five sorted. :laughing:

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@Mirabella Hm, a morale stat like that would definitely be interesting, and appropriate for the game. It would just be a question of how much longer it would take to incorporate it. Probably something to think about once I’ve written more and have a better sense of exactly what the NPCs can be doing in the final parts, and how morale might affect them.

@derekmetaltron Thanks! :slight_smile: It’s ridiculously ambitious, but I have a clear sense of what I want to accomplish, and I’d love to think that maybe Guenevere could someday raise the standard for what constitutes an interactive novel. But that TARDIS sure would be nice, not least because I have other games I’d like to write!

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