Yeah it was that way in old table top. However videogame so far has a conflicting translation. For instance a fallen paladin from godess of beauty directly negates the existence of gods in her quest while she was in heaven first worĺd with me and see me entering in chat another god
This is a huge distinction and kind of fascinating. I’d be interested in what would make a person an atheist from this sense. Probably some Gorr-like scenario most likely
That will be true if character is devoted nor if only pretending to be If pc just fake devotion and stats change is a hail of the hint are right. There is the problem of wording if you state YOU SEE BANANA god in front of you and you believe such and such…
Well I have to discard any other pc canon different from Pc believes Banana god is tangible and real.
I know you are far subtle and good writer to commit so errors I am just trying say be careful or people will believe that Those dreaming means CANONICAL SO EVERYONE HAVE TO BELIEVE
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@Havenstone No worries. I neglected to @ you initially. As to my question and your answer, it seems to me that whether it would change the blood economy depends on how much aether it would cost to produce a talisman were it possible. For example, if it costs 1000 vials of aetherial blood to produce a tiny talisman capable of doing miracles equivalent to 100 vials of aetherial blood, then the blood economy would not have changed save to actually get worse. What might change is the religious aspects.
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In Pathfinder, there’s several philosophies that amount to atheism. Most commonly, atheists come from a region where it’s the state non-religion. Or, they don’t feel a particular deity’s precepts calling to their heart. Or, they follow paths similar to Buddhism that stress personal development over adherence to a particular deity. Or they might feel rejected by the gods and adopt Conan’s famous speech of “to hell with you!”
It’s not a common position, as you might have guessed. Most people like having a deity whose laws give them structure, whose power gives them benefits and who offers something for a foxhole and for the afterlife.
More common is polytheism or pantheism, where someone prays to multiple deities based on circumstance and isn’t part of an individual deity’s cult.
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There’s always money in the Banana Church.
This always makes me think about that scene in Avengers with Loki where he’s talking about the “unspoken rule” of humans. Truly my favorite speech.
If I’m remembering my D&D logic, the gods are all basically uber powerful humans. Like, in terms of being petty and scheming. Wouldn’t a god be annoyed with humans that didn’t fall into their specific dogma?
That depend on the interpretation of that universe… some universe think that God/Goddess require Beings such as Humans to “remember” or " Call out " for them in order to exist in the universe, because when we pray to them, it is our brain wave signal that reach them and help maintaining their existence to the world, if everyone had forgotten their Gods … they will be diminish … hence in this case, the Gods will be happily answer to the prayers or calling to whoever individual who remember them … so that such individuals realise gods exist and will be granting them favour for as long as they pray to them, for such scenario Gods should be happily answer to any prayers to them without holding any grudge that these individual may also pray to other Gods …
Speaking of gods, the description of Xthonos reminds me of one of my fav quotes, from Mass Effect:
“A god — a real god — is a verb. Not some old man with magic powers. It’s a force. It warps reality just by being there. It doesn’t have to want to. It doesn’t have to think about it. It just does.”
Xthonos is something of an “almighty idiot”, which I think is more compelling. A true god is something alien, transcendant, completely unrelatable.
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Assuming what the Hegemony says is true, that’s a good description of Xthonos. The Angels are more “almighty idiots”.
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I personally role-playing a character that is atheistic however due game reasons is SUPER RELIGIOUS as game can’t handle being insincere in just religion Mara for game is super Zealots while she can’t give more shit reli is mumbo jumbo she uses to destroying theurge without fighting Turning people ideologies.
I don’t accept ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING HEGEMONIC POWER SAYS TO PERPETUATE ITSELF
Very belatedly, Kalt and his one track mind make a lot of sense given the way she acts, as demonstrated here:
You shake your head. “Why the savagery? Yes, I know you hate them, and you’ve reason. Why the constant…well, boasting about it? How much you hate them, all the things you’re going to do…it’s as if you’re
*if aristo
a play-actor holding up a toothy mask
*if helot
a jongler chanting the Xaos-lover’s verse of a ballad over and over again
for the band.”
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There is something different from that happening in XOR though, right? I mean the experience of telos vision is ubiquitous for theruges. They are inherently changing the underlying purpose of a physical object. Meditating on what the existential purpose of the things, animals, and people (including yourself) around you in many respects is religion. Are Nyrish skeptic theruges experiencing the act of therugy in a fundamentally different way because of their beliefs? We know a max skeptical MC doesn’t.
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Are there any consequences for nobles that rape helots? (Even unenforced consequences)
Also, @Havenstone do noble families that produce a Theurge receive any compensation for sending them to be trained?
As well as that, what happens to children of Theurges who aren’t proficient enough to become Theurges?
This is spot-on and I wholly agree.
What about visible real effects such as the gods coming down from the sky in front of everyone? Is it not possible that the Angels might present themselves in real form to all to some degree? Many of our own mythologies document similar events. I feel that the implication of your statements so far is that the world of Choice of Rebels is one without gods, as though you’re forecasting: ‘any kind of gods will never present a tangible effect in the world.’
To some extent I quite agree and I’m concerned Kenon will become too much a religion of non-religion and impede our efforts to foster ‘real-world’ cooperation between all peoples, as opposed to spending much time at all oriented towards spirituality.
@Ramidel Could I please ask for an updated spoiler policy for the thread? There’s a lot more info about the next book around and I’m not sure what should be tagged here.
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It’s Havenstone’s thread, so I’ll defer to him.
@Havenstone If a noble wanted to, could they protect one of their helots from Harrowing, if they still met the blood quotas?
@Havenstone choice but To everyone please blurred any info regarding peaceful playthrough or charisma no Belen. Because for me a spoiler could affect greatly in my role-playing feedback for Havie. As I really related in my gut raw first impressions to give a Havenstone a sincere description of how scenes mkes me feeling and as a character. Read that would contaminate that first blind reaction.
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Today, I’m setting up a name generator for the CKII mod, if anyone can think of Shayardene and Karagond first and last names, those would be appreciated.
So I just bought the game! If I raid the market in the start of the game can I still smuggle with the merchant later?
It’s possible to do both but it’s harder to meet the relationship requirements with the merchants to smuggle if you did raid the market after the Harrowing.
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