@mreed I’m known for my evil characters and trying assassinate someone in game in this is clearly The ugly Breden. But kill them without warning its stupid. If you want a chaos bloody revolution ,kill them without a parody of helot martial court and something gruesome like using nobles to harrowing "They use our blood to fuel themselves now we do the same with them. "Or throw them stores until dead and my favorite communal hanging in a tree in the town entrance.
Kill them has to cause fear a anonymous dead in forest don’t cause propaganda. You want be known and in a bloody revolution; fear a complete fear in your foes.
Im going for a complete noble nationalist less bloody and more focused in politics and charisma
@Jackrabbit, @mreed In fact, if Platon is to be believed, killing him would make Strategos Nomiki (Karagond general of all the Alastors in Shayard) very happy. And anything that makes the Alastors happy probably isn’t good for us or our rebellion. The enemy of our enemy is a potential ally.
@FortunesFaded Don’t get me wrong, I really, really like Suzane (Simon’s female incarnation), but while Suzane is potentially quite valuable to our cause, the Archon of Shayard, -if- we can gain her assistance, is exponentially even more valuable.
But you wouldn’t know anything about that by shooting them from ambush. Unless they have some form of identification on them, so you could have an ‘oh shit’ moment.
And even then, if Kalt is in charge of the ambush, he’ll probably lie and still say Platon was a Theurge. Nevertheless your original point holds. They’re still just random travelers who aren’t after us, and two people aren’t a physical threat to our large group. So murdering them is rather pointless.
Heh, Kalt will be the death of us, I’m sure. We’ll ran into an important NPC that would help us progress the main quest, and Kalt will shoot him in the face before he can finish his greeting. Oh, how we’ll laugh.
Well wait, doesn’t Kalt say that they’re nobles prior to all that? He spots them first (if i’m not mistaken) and then shoots/doesn’t shoot depending on your charisma. If you’re a noble-hating rebel, I don’t see why that option would be pointless. A family of nobles found slain on a road in Rebel-country? That’d make other nobles fear the rebellion more
@FortunesFaded You don’t know they’re nobles when the initial orders are given, and later when Kalt tells you they must be nobles (which is partially mistaken since one of them is an ecclesiast), he totally ignores your second set of orders, claiming the noble is really a theurge. But I suppose if you were to order them killed for being suspected nobles instead, then you and Kalt would be in accord on this one. So it probably should be available as an option even before you’ve discovered their identities, for those inclined to slaughter all suspected nobles encountered, even if it isn’t the wisest way of handling the situation. *shrug*
Me personally, I’d attempt to wring some intelligence info out of him even if I was playing a helot. While if I’m playing a noble, I’d be looking for common ground upon which to build an alliance, not just with him, but also potentially with his cousin the Archon herself. So the existing options suit me fine.
BTW, I don’t see the point of making the nobles fear you by butchering them whenever you find them. All it’s going to do is unite them in opposition against you before you’re powerful enough to take them on, further stacking the odds against you, when the real enemy is Karagond and their bloody harrowings. Even if I were a helot who hated nobles, I’d much prefer that the nobles not see me as a serious threat until it’s too late for them to stop me.
Yeah, from a plot point, kill 'em all is usually the least interesting option. Beside, sticking hot pokers into nobles ought to be more satisfying than using them as a pin cushion, so Kalt should have been in favor of the interrogation option as well.
I think the point of slaughtering nobles is to inflame spirits - to fire up the helots, who are currently the base of your rebellion. It also makes it harder to ignore, as the nobles will all be in huff over you sticking sharp and pointy things into their ranks. So if your goal is BLOOD AND FIRE that option makes a certain sense.
I’m a little late to this and skipped all but this page. I really enjoy this game and want to see this story progress. I particularly like the aspect of controling the rebelion and all the different aspects of followers and how they play into things. Building the character is also enjoyable.
Skimming through who is Kalt? I haven’t met that person yet.
@P_Tigras yeah I definitely wouldn’t go that route either, but it’s always good to at least have the choice, as some people may play the game differently.
@spyfox259 he only appears near the end of chapter 2 if your character is rather ruthless and has caused a good amount of anarchy; he’s a helot who hates all nobles to the point of wanting them all dead. If your character is female it will be Kala instead, and if your character isn’t aggressive/hasn’t caused anarchy, Simon/Suzanne will appear instead
@Jackrabbit
Well your perspective on who Genghis is depends upon which side your country was on. The Mongols regard him as a folk hero, and I’m sure China and most of Central Asia have good reason to hate him. But I’m coming from a country he (thankfully) wasn’t in his direction.
That said I doubt my MC is going to go down that side of Genghis; he’s still of the mindset that everyone must work together against Karagond. Either that or “The proletariat must rise.”
Mine is more , a illustrate who want create a industrial new era away the superstition .
They would offer end of slavery and a constitution.But still seeing helots like tools, to their goal, free the nation. Also she is obsessed with have a heir to her family with a noble; sadly; Simon is too shy and nun to do the job.
You know, if Breden is the spy, they’re really not good at their job I would think.
I don’t know about a helot playthrough, but in the noble one, Breden basically entraps the PC. The PC was just minding his business doing noble things and suddenly this helot gets them involved with the rebellion.
One would think that Breden’s job description, if they are indeed the spy, is to prevent rebellions, not create them.
And why would Breden go after the PC? Does a reputation as being a nice guy get instantly equated with “probably a rebel?” If so, it must suck to be a noble, apparently being a noble just means you’re oppressed in a different manner than helots.
@stsword it could have been that she wanted to test the MC, to see if he had any rebellious thoughts to begin with. If she/he didn’t, he would rat Breden out, which wouldn’t matter since she’s a spy (in theory)… If he/she did, then Breden could use them to round up as many other rebels as possible, and kill them all in one fell swoop
@stsword Actually there’s a pretty long history of secret police types trying to nudge potential criminals into actual criminal behavior. The US has laws against entrapment for a reason.
From the perspective of actually stopping a rebellion, your right that Brenden’s behavior doesn’t make a ton of sense. But it does give him/herba way to justify his/her continued deployment to the higher ups. If yours were just a peaceful orderly provence, there wouldn’t be much need for secret police in the first place.
That having been said, I doubt Brenden is the spy. Just from a narrative perspective, the character is over-clued, and his/her behavior evinces no clear plan. If B wanted you arrested, why weren’t you at the meeting? If she specifically wanted you spared out of some personal affection, why does she narc you out at the harrowing? Why was she threatened at the harrowing at all? It seems like a stretch tha she knew you’d successfully start a revolution to save yourself, and now that the revolution is underway, it seems like she could do a lot more damagethan what the spy has accomplished so far.
My personal guess is that the spy is actually your dad, he’s the most obvious character who hasn’t been actively singled out for suspicion by the narrative.
@Wonderboy I’ve wondered about the father as well… But how would he know about the original group of rebels that got caught in chapter one? I think that he may be *A* spy, but if so I have a feeling that’d mean there are two spies. What about that girl that was with Pin? Uhh… Alless?
