Choice of Rebels Part 1 WIP thread

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@Headhunter180, fear not, your comments are not lost. It fell into the category of “a lot of good ideas that I need to think seriously about implementing.”

When I originally conceived of Zvad, he was a bit less badass than he became in the writing. Experienced but stolid, not a risk-taker even when he needed to be… say a COM 1.5. That may need revision in light of his backstory as it’s evolved.

Oh, and apologies, but chances to raise a stat will be thin on the ground. You’re stuck with what you’ve got til Game 2, Chapter 1.

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@Havenstone i love you Simon @};- :x :"> Why i could launch over him lol he is so cute sexy NOBLE i want four babies two girls and two boys . Why i couldn’t launch over him!!! i wanna kiss him"!!

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I figured Zvad just isn’t all starry eyed when it come to your rebellion. Probably a good idea to keep a realist with, someone who won’t happily charge into the fire, and that has more experience in staying alive than in bloody combat.

I dunno, I guess it depends on how much credit he got with the rest of the rebels, but I thought he likely has more hands-on experience, even if he isn’t one for sophisticated tactics. Kinda pissed me off how he was all too happy to throw all the tough decision on you, though. Grow a spine, gramps.

As for Simon, I would be genuinely shocked if he doesn’t get a an arrow in the knee soon. I bet he’s all for rules of conduct in battle and such.

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@Havenstone From now on I’m calling her Ailing Alless. :slight_smile: By the way, on a similar subject, will we ever get to meet Poor Poric or is he going to die? Did he come along with Radmar? I can’t remember.

@Marajade I wouldn’t worry about commas. Full stops and capital letters are more important for legibility. Of course they’re also annoying to do if you’re using a phone with no easy way to use either. Or at least they are with my phone. My phone’s a brick though, I struggle to type text messages on it let alone anything else so I marvel at your ability, to type whole forum posts, in a language which isn’t your native language on a device that would have me screaming in frustration.

Amazon seems to have some keyboards a lot cheaper than that, of course there’s shipping charges on top of that. The cheapest I can find is £6 which I’ve no idea how much it is in Euros, or if it would even work. Play.com has some too which say they’re compatible with the Samsung Mini. If you shop around you should be able to find a super-cheap keyboard.

The benefits would be immense, sometimes the meaning of your posts gets a bit lost, in what I can only assume is the problem of typing on the phone. I know you’re smart. You’d also find it a lot easier to write your game.

You have the issues that typing without capitals and much punctuation, in broken English, tends to come across as you either being very young, and/or not too smart, and/or lazy. Which I know isn’t the case with you. You’re an adult and extremely smart, definitely smarter than me since I’ve not studied law, and I can only speak one language. And I wouldn’t say you’re lazy either since it’s definitely more effort to type things on a phone than it is on a keyboard.

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@FairyGodfeather I love you. You are so cute and gentle. If you where in this game like a noble i had babies with you. Returning to topic Im not so smart , and yep Im adult even a lot childish. But in Spain we haven’t got that obsession with grammar in internet; And about keyboard i would look , but my phone hasn’t got a normal connector, so i have to buy the official one. Its not so difficult code in a phone,Its only a little more annoying, i got more than 20,000 words only in the prologue of the re new game if you want help me i could show you in a pm.

Edit: Has this post a proper punctuation? I just trying to improve and not annoying people.

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@MaraJade just this little bit of attention made your post a whole lot easier to read. I realise it can be annoying, my mobile is firmly against punctuation itself, by it makes the posts so much more legible, and makes it easier to respond to it.

@FairyGodfeather I figured Poric was coming along with us, in the sick tent or something? I can see Radmar leaving him to recover from his brutal injuries all by himself.

Speaking of which, how far along is the medical field? Is it all herbs and sawing off bones, or more advance than that? (Assuming one can afford proper medical care, of course).

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We don’t find that ugled helot astonishing;
@Dreckitt we want rape him in the forest in a lustful attack.

I want lustful attack Simon,nope,game don’t let me even give him the hand. WTF?
I could lunch me in dirty hands of a commoner i don’t even find attractive. Its my character a commoner irapist like her cousins?. Im really preoccupied, she will star chasing helots to bang them?. I just don’t want that repulsive action. Why i just can romance Normaly any character in game. While Im a lustful ninfomaniac with some, Im in same time a shy nun with the only character i want, lustful bang and children.
]I want grab Simon in the forest right now!!! . if not i accuse you of snobism @Havenstone. I mean is ok i bang first meat a peasant; well, i want bang first moment a noble. Quid pro Quo

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I’ve not perused the code (because you say tablet, and I fetch a chisel), but what effect DOES swapping your no.2 have? The only spot I can find where they’re checked directly is if you have them command a raid, and as these are all combat options, I presume Zvad does better? Is there any benefit (beyond her favour, I suppose) to taking Breden?

I’d also like to defend the Breden love. I’m so pleased to see a game that doesn’t genderflip everyone so you can have all the lovings. From the initial assumptions we must, of necessity, have about the MC (namely, that they’re dissatisfied with the current order), it seems entirely fitting that we find this helot who is - astonishingly! - openly defiant rather intriguing. As Havenstone notes, once the initial sparkle wears off, you can shut them down very quickly.

On the whole “Spot the Spy” debate, I spotted one little thing which snaps my suspicions back to Breden. If she’s along for the raid on the Alastor camp, and you use Theurgy to levitate their commander… out of the blue, she flings a knife straight into his throat! Either we’ve entered into a bizarre Choice of the Ninja crossover, or she’s got hidden skills. “Yoouuuu’reeeee a Kryptast in disguise!” {loudly, as a football chant}

There was a comment earlier (name hidden behind the pagebreak, sorry) which seemed to imply that raiding the noble manor, then sparing the nobles, actually gives you a rep boost with the nobles? If this mitigates the loss of rep from attacking their manor slightly, well and good. But does it let you come out with net positive rep?

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@Dreckitt, if you come out with a net positive rep from the aristo raid, it’s an unintentional bug. I’ll check later…

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@MaraJade, the choice to kiss Breden a little quicker than you should isn’t intended to be seen as a symptom of nymphomania.

And given that I’m not writing a nymphomaniac MC, sadly, you will still not have the choice to grab Simon – in front of a dozen or so of your peasant followers – and have your way with him on your first encounter.

For what it’s worth, it wouldn’t go particularly well if you tried. He’s a bit of a “shy nun” type. Definitely need to buy him flowers first.

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@Dreckitt: That was me, and I just double checked – yes, you end up with a net positive if you spare the nobles.

To be exact, if you kill the nobles mercifully, you get:
-50 to your credibility with aristocrats
-20 to your credibility with merchants

If you kill them as a “terrifying example”, you get:
+4 to anarchy
-100 to your credibility with aristocrats
+30 to your credibility with helots, but only if you have the aristocrat background
-20 to your credibility with merchants

If you show them mercy (either path), you get:
+10 to your credibility with aristocrats
-10 to your credibility with helots
-4 to anarchy
-5 to morale, if your Charisma isn’t 3

In all cases, assuming you are successful, you get:

+6 to anarchy
+15 to morale
+120 to income

For scaling purposes, the range for credibility in the portion of the game that currently exists is 0-200. For all factions other than Helots, a score greater than 200 represents “Might not be /all/ bad” and 0 representing “My worse enemy”. Helots, on the other hand, consider scores greater than 200 to be “A hero in waiting” – in short, it is much easier to get the Helots on your side.

Note that given the way the scale works, the +10 makes sense, in my opinion. First, +10 isn’t all that much. :slight_smile: Secondly, the best you can hope for in Chapter 1 is to make the nobles think that you are someone who they /might/ be willing to deal with – that is, yes, you’ll take what you need and you have a definite agenda, but… You aren’t /necessarily/ hostile to nobles, at least to the degree that you’ll kill them on sight.

In that context, then, I feel that the adjustment makes sense. The only caveat I have is, like I said, earlier, the game should point out the possibility of showing mercy during the “Are you sure you want to do this” message block.

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I… don’t remember raping Brendan… Or having a lustful attach. I actually remember it was pretty subdued. I mean, he flirts, and then kiss the MC, but, um, isn’t it your choice whether to stop or not? The whole thing is rather gradual and gentle, in my opinion.

It would be amusing, seeing Simon’s reaction to your lunging at him. I imagine he would be in some distress! But that would not be advisable - it can get complicated fast.

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I chose intellect one where i learn “magic”
and i never used it in front of anyone yet.
i didn’t even save the helots.
i didn’t even shout about how Religion was nonsense.
i spoke up about freeing my land.
but in the priest section, it seems they already figured out that i can use “magic” and hate me for it.
also, priests already hate me if i am not devout.
i guess even before the rebellion, i must have shouted to the world that i am not devout at all.
and was there any mention of how Radmar got into the rebellion group when i didn’t even save the helots and never knew where he was during the whole thing?

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@Havenstone is there a reason for giving the MC the chance to only learn about one of three previous revolts? Because if not, it kinda feels like I’m missing out on some of the lore in a playthrough.

Also, out of curiosity what is the cut-off for having Simon arrive at your camp versus Kalt? I’ve played through enough to have had both, but I found that even when I was committing many more kind acts than hostile, I would still receive Kalt. In fact the only time Simon came around was when I literally did everything I could to be a pushover to all, to the point where some of my people starved because I wouldn’t raid. It was interesting, however, that one of my characters who refused to raid merchants, let nobles live, let the guards at the Harrowing live, and so on to the point where the only thing he did to be “aggressive” was raid the temple - however I shot back a response rather than attack outright - and still got Kalt.

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Replayability, basically – it’s all lore that’s Not Essential in This Instalment. Pick a different one on the next playthrough…

Will check the code on Simon-Kalt; it’s an anarchy threshold, and I may need to update it.

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Ohh okay, that makes sense. I’ve seen all three on various playthroughs, but was curious if it had any impact on tactics you may use with your brigade in the future, or something along those lines

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Ok now the game is just screwing with me…
(Playing as a noble)
I successfully raided the pass and spared the merchant
I successfully raided and spared the nobles
I successfully took out the garrisons and spared the town
And I successfully got the merchants to smuggle with us (and the game specifically states that I earned 100 silver drachems)

But the game tells me that I only have nine drachems to my name…
…
…
…
What the hell?

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I love the game so far! I think the aristos background is good as it is, but it would be more believeable to me if maybe there was a scene of the MC’s mum talking to him/her about her views on helots. This way it would make more of an emotional impact if we’re playing the sympathetic aristos, because we heard it from the person herself.

I’ve always gotten Suzanne and I’ve never seen Kalt. How do you get one instead of the other?

Just want to add that Zvad appeared under Notable People in Your Rebellion in the Stats Screen even before he and his bandits made an appearance. I was kind of confused by that on my first playthrough. The second chapter also confused me because I didn’t know where this Zvad person talking to me came from. I thought that I should know since he appeared important, unlike those injured helots at the tents whom I didn’t mind being referred to by name before explaining who they were to me. Maybe you can introduce a line after Zvad’s first line saying he was one of the bandits that joined you in the woods?

I’m not sure if my opinion on IAPs matters now, but I’m one of those people who needs to convince relatives with credit cards to let me use their cards to buy apps, so I’d rather pay a higher price up front than have to pay for more in-app content.

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@RingoStar I refer you to a post on this very page:

“Will check the code on Simon-Kalt; it’s an anarchy threshold, and I may need to update it.”

The more you are for BURNING IT ALL, the more likely Kalt/Kalla will hop on your bandwagon (hurrr). Being all careful and goody-goody will attract Simon/Suzanne.

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@Jackrabbit I haven’t played enough to try all approaches, so I wanted to know a general approach to find this character. Thank you! :smiley:

Ah, there’s something I forgot to mention. When confronting Breden, is it possible to have a more middle-ground option? It seems like I must either reply that I cannot trust him/her or that he/she is the only one I can trust. Can there be an option just to say that I still trust Breden, without saying that Breden is the only one I can trust?