The government does put bounties-remember during the first novel you looked through bounties to get to the Gravity Staff case?
Also, the Meek movement made that equipment-not the government, and it is not sold. So why doesn’t the Meek share with its own members?
Yea but so what?
A bounty doesn’t mean extremely well trained and equipped hero would come out of the woodworks.
If I remember correctly it was the millenial group that took down crush.
The infini villain going for world domination.
The government can disband the Millennial group and let bounty hunters track down and capture/kill bad guys.
“I’m so thankful that those heroes stopped me when they did, but still, it was only after I led other people to commit heinous crimes in my name. I may never have killed anyone myself, but that doesn’t make me any less guilty. Now I know how wrong I was, in just about every way.” (quote from The Crush from the Hero Project)
The “heroes” who took down The Crush are not specified.
Assuming the government doesn’t arrest all the ex-members of the Meek movement or the InfraOrder there will be skilled and trained people who can take on powerful bad guys.
Nope.
Everyone from the infra order is going to be arrested for terrorism plus those people are subpar anyway.
And the only decent hero we see belonging to the meek is the shield guy.
And he is only decent.
Also I doubt anyone from the infra order or the meek could take on prodigal.
What hope do they have against the MC or even black magic in a fight.
If you let the prisoners out from Devoid InfraOrder members will escape and they will form a group called the InfraCircle.
Infinity regulator cannons can take out Black Magic, MC or Prodigal. The Meek movement remnants and the InfraCircle might have the resources to the steal infinity regulator cannons.
The police tasered the MC when the MC’s shields are down in The Prodigy. Bounty hunters don’t have to fight fair they can just kill bad guys when the bad guys are sleeping.
Infinity regulators not portable, hard to aim, and by the time you took the handheld one out the villain would have killed you already.
Infinity Equalizer guns can take down powerful bad guys. President Victon shoots the MC with one and if the MC is mean to Prodigal president Victon will kill the MC with an Infinity Equalizer gun.
““Not as dysfunctional as your family of criminals,” President Victon snarls, turning to your parents’ cell—with an Infinity Equalizer gun in his hand, set to kill.”(quote from Hero Fall)
Oh my god, this whole discussion goes just round in circles. And it always comes back to you pushing the interpretation (because it’s not really anything else) that the Millenia Group would be the bad guys, because they are sponsored by a corrupt government, but problem is even when this interpretation is correct doesn’t make either the Meek nor the InfraOrder good guys.
The InfraOrder are terrorist, they don’t care for collateral damage or if their actions kill innocents. Either you are with them or against them, that’s it.
And the aim of the Meek is clearly the extinction of all by nature powered-beings. It’s right in the text. One of their most important rule is to kill every super powered being. There is nothing ambiguous about it. The aim of the Meek is genocide.
It doesn’t matter if the people joining either of them may do it with good intentions, because intentions maybe fine and dandy, when their actions in the long run hurt much more people as they actual would help, they mean nothing. That’s not complicated.
And about the bounties and the sponsoring of the Millenia Group. As far as it seems do they get their money not just for nothing, but for taking down high-profile villains. They work for their money, you know? And they are in that position because most of them gave proof for their capabilities, otherwise it wouldn’t work the slightest and the government would think twice about spending their money.
Nobody stops other heroes from trying their luck at high profile cases. Equipment may be an advantage, but power levels and the question if the hero in question works alone or with a team has probably much more influence of the success. And power levels in this sense are nothing else as talent and experience (powers can be trained as we saw with MC even when they were a special case, what may explain their fast growth in power). And when somebody has not as much talent: Nothing stops them from doing something different like getting a job in law enforcement or something totally different or like Fumble and Stage Show trying to get fame in another way. And when I remember right therer are even businesses that sponsor heroes, so that’s also a possibility.
And you act as if having super powers would negate any repressions or wouldn’t come with an own set of negative impacts (it was at least heavily implied that not just animal powered people have to face prejudices). My memory is somewhat foggy, but didn’t both the Bear for his homosexuality and Stage Show for being a trans woman face repressions, wasn’t there a whole section in hero project devoted to that? So no matter what, coming in the position they had at the time of hero project was probably not as easy as one could think. Or as you want to illustrate it.
Or maybe they just can’t kill the bad ones at all, in case they are knock out and no longer a danger, because, you know, laws? You know the right for a fair trial? A lawyer? The right to at least try to justify your deeds? Ever heard about those?
And the EqualizerGuns are a huge intrusion in bodily autonomy (when not set on kill. and killing has it own problems, as mentioned above). How would that even work considering laws and human right?
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Infinity regulators not portable, hard to aim, and by the time you took the handheld one out the villain would have killed you already.
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Infinity Equalizer guns can take down powerful bad guys.
[/quote]Yet my point is valid; A little baby could be a terrorist but they are probably not.
Didn’t the mc also get called a gene hazard for having flight and energy wielding.
Yup, at least two times. First by one of those standing in line for the heroproject and the second time by Jury.
So what are downtrodden unwanted powered outcasts and poor non-powered people suppose to do? Continue to let a corrupt government oppress them? Not everyone is charismatic so those downtrodden unwanted powered outcasts and poor non-powered people might join the InfraOrder/InfraCircle and the Meek movement respectively instead of making their own moderate group.
You know there is a middle ground between going full way terrorist/just killing everybody else and just accepting the status quo, do you?
It’s called activism. It normally doesn’t involve killing a bunch of people.
IIRC the Millennial Group is a private organization that gets funded/paid by the government for taking down bounties and contracts… The American Protectorate was the Goverment made/controlled hero group. The Millennial Group to me seems more like a Powered PMC.
The Goverment can’t simply disband a private group. That’s kinda… Ya know… Illegal? At least as far as I understand of capitalism, the U.S Goverment, and private institutions. Of course this is also a fantasy game of an alternative America where powers actually exist, WW3 has already happened, and your choice of last name is Tricamo.
Also many of your arguments have been purely or almost purely hypothetical without any real evidence (except for the occasional quote).
You’re assuming they know where the villain is? And the bad guys haven’t made any precautions against that? Not everyone is stealthy and would be able to pull that off, and I doubt any bad guys would want to broadcast “Hey I live here, try to come get me”. Also murder is condemned still remember. That’s why your parents were locked up (aside from Victon’s agenda), and if they have the chance to attack them in their sleep why is your default choice to kill them? Why not ensure they’re incapacitated and incarcerate them? Even if they’re bad or evil they still have rights within the law. Just straight killing people for doing wrong isn’t the way to go about it. This is still in a modern time setting.
I will get quotes show the Meek movement and the InfraOrder in a sympathetic view.
“The Meek Movement is founded on the fundamental belief that the meek shall inherit the earth—meaning that it is humanity’s imperative to regulate the Powered rise with grace and humility.”
“I can take that one,” Jury says. “The Meek believe, much like my father does, that all citizens, Powered or not, thrive when there’s stricter regulation regarding Powers, especially Infini Powers.”
“How can you tell me that finding ways to help Powered people regulate their curse—excuse me, their gifts—is not something worth fighting for?”
I don’t believe powers should be regulated but I understand why some people might want powers to be regulated(powers are an advantage to powered people) and people who support the regulation of powers might join the Meek movement.
Debate between MC and Summit during the debate with the Meek movement.
“However hard you may have worked,” Summit jumps in, “there is nothing I could have ever done in my life to have the Powers you do. And that’s not how a capitalist democracy should work.”
“Actually, that’s exactly how it should work,” you respond. “Everyone is born with different circumstances and skills—a capitalist democracy is about giving each citizen the same opportunity to use those skills and overcome their backgrounds through hard work. And I should note, you absolutely can have the Powers that I do—look at Inherit. Or yourself. Where there’s a will, there’s a way. They may not be exactly the same, but shouldn’t our society value diversity?”
“Says the one with near-omnipotent Power,” Summit says. “The people on top are always fine with the status quo.”
Summit is right. The people with advantages are usually fine with status quo.
“This is exactly the kind of superiority complex, the kind of dismissive attitude that will doom the Infini!” Constance yells after The Crush, eliciting boos from the crowd. “Your Powers affect you, affect all of us, in ways you cannot understand! This is exactly—”
Powered people’s powers might negatively affect non-powered people.
Quotes are from The Hero Project.
Statements like these on TV might inspire some people to join the Meek movement because of the disadvantage non-powered people have.
I will gets quotes for the InfraOrder later then I will get quotes to shows inequality.
Genocide doesn’t exactly fit my image of “grace and humility”.
The Meek’s words here are very different from their actions. IIRC this is one of the debate scenes and do remember during that time The Meek would want to come off as the sympathetic underdog that’s fighting for equality. Ofc they’re gonna present themselves in a manner that is “pleasing” to the public eye to gain sympathy and support. Who in their right mind would go to a debate and say "We believe in killing off (whatever group of people) in order to bring about our ideals
Everything quoted here are the opinions of the characters that stated them. Not any kind of hard factual evidence. Just because a character said something doesn’t make it an actual fact. Each character there had their own opinions of the situation of their world and many of them had very narrow views as well making them incredibly biased.
Quotes that show the InfraOrder sympathetically.
““I would like to welcome you to the first official meeting of a very special group,” Culic says from his spot standing at the head of the table. “Right now we may be seen as jokes, forgotten punchlines and human stains. Our names are synonymous with sin and disgust, disgrace and misunderstanding. But that’s all about to change. Soon enough, the entire world will know our real names.””
“Despite the awful things Culic has done, I can see why he’d want to rebel.”
“It’s clear that Culic knows how to appeal to other unwanted people.”
Culic is standing up for the downtrodden unwanted powered outcasts.
“Culic’s ultimate goal must be to fit in—he is so desperate for this, he wants to make everyone else like him and his InfraOrder using this weapon.”
““It appears Culic’s philosophies on outcasts rising are shared by much more than just his InfraOrder inner circle.”
“Look at you puffed-up heroes, thinking you can stop me,” Culic buzzshouts. “But I do not stand alone—I stand for all the broken and downtrodden, the forgotten and discarded. To stop me is to ignite the fire that burns within them twice as hot!””
“It does not matter what you do, because now that my weapon has finally been powered to launch, all of Millennia City will know what it’s like to be deformed—and there will be no more outsiders. Think of how glorious it will be when we’re all the same, all Animalistic, all united by one common scar! All those souls lost in our attacks will find renewed purpose, as their sacrifice will give power to—”
Culic does have some good intentions.
““I’ve killed a lot more people for a lot less,” Smyther starts. “But really, I should be thanking you. Working with Culic, my life has real purpose. I’m no longer the selfish man I once was. I have to admit, it feels slugging good to really stand for something.””
“Smyther was scary before, but on some level, the people who are just out for personal gain are easy to handle. It’s the ones in it for their principles who are the dangerous ones….”
Smyther changes from a criminal to a person who stands up for the downtrodden unwanted powered outcasts because he joined the InfraOrder.
-Cough Cough- Still terrorists -Cough Cough-
I’m pretty sure the family and loved ones of the people the infra order killed don’t agree with this. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WellIntentionedExtremist
“The road to hell is paved with good intentions”
This probably only made people hate ani’s more.
The downtrodden unwanted powered outcasts probably don’t agree with the government being unfair to them.
I don’t think the InfraOrder is made up of just animal powered people.
Splicina is member of the InfraOrder and she isn’t an animal powered person.
You know some people might live in the fringes because they are somewhat poor and its cheap to live there?
Not everyone is a downtrodden outcast.
Also they fight because of the violence against animal citizens so they commit violence against innocent citizens to power a machine that uses their life force to turn everyone into ani’s against their will.