Z's guide to Keeper of the Sun and Moon

Hello, it is I, Z the optimizer. Back once again at another magical school. here to make an absolute monster just like I did for Way Walkers. As always, I try to get stats as high as possible (including friendships) and spread them evenly. This is such a good game, I give it a solid 10/10. There’s so many roll-playing options, secrets, and hidden stat boosts. Obviously I’m focusing on the latter of that list. Seraphina is best girl who will give us +4 to stats when all others give 2-3. She even can go +5 but she has to hate you for that or you have to be human. Don’t worry you can romance whomever you wish at Sera’s party later. I’m going non human for this first run, I might make a human build later if you guys want. Humans are probably the strongest race as you don’t have to spread across so many stats (you don’t have to as inhuman either but that’s not how I roll). This was so hard to make, took many resets. Anyway, onward to the guide

  • Try to distract her- +3 cunning, with the path we go down we will need cunning super high. this helps a lot
  • Gender- male or nonbinary male is the way. Leon needs to be boosted, Astrid we will have great relationship with
  • Pushing past the pain- astrid boost, fighting +1. very important our fighting gets to 10 before a certain option
  • Name
  • either: …what? why or I’ve never met- astrid boost
  • I guess I have to, dont I?- lawful, astrid boost, and cunning +1. sets up astrid boost later. Did i mention we need to take all the cunning we can?
  • I like knowing- emotional boost, we need emotional for a stat later
  • last name
  • I add what I can- more lawful boost. we need 70 lawful for this
  • how has my life- lawful boost
  • first or last option, not who are you- who are you is unlawful
  • maybe i always knew- less resistance, we don’t want happiness this run
  • Answer for myself- cambion boost, we meet cyrus later. unlike his counterpart, we can boost his relationship a bit. we will take all the cambion boosts except one for the path we’re going
  • …can’t Conti just try- less resistance, less happiness
  • why did you transfer- minor astrid hit for curious, we need curious for a stat
  • this isn’t too surprising- less resistance
  • no, no, no! lawful, big happiness hit, more resistance
  • it’s fine astrid- astrid boost, cambion boost, and kindess boost
  • Hi, I’m- Altair boost and kindness boost
  • what were you and Altair- +1 int and curiosity for being curious
  • choose your looks
  • I hate her for kidnapping me- +3 cunning, weird hidden stat boost but it helps
  • what do you think- curious and less resistance. could do other choice for Astrid boost
  • either or- simulation questions, not important
  • either or
  • fight her off- lawful, logic, astrid boost, +1 fighting- we need the fighting. if you go combat class, you can go to move in front of astrid. the path i’m going is spreading the stats more
  • punch her in the face- achievement and +1 fighting
  • try to use magic too- +3 telekenisis, we don’t get a lot of those and we need it for tele class
  • I know!- cambion boost, astrid boost, hidden +1 cunning, slight lawful hit
  • either or
  • either or- there is some nuance to this but not enough to matter
  • you were quite the scholar- +15 int, int is the most important stat in the game. and we will get int in strides
  • what other classes- more curiosity
  • not human- because we chose the +3 tele we can’t be magicians or humans, magician would be good if you want like 50 potions stat
  • okay- lawful
  • I’ll take telekinesis- this gets +7 tele and spreads the stats quite nice
  • I’ll take potions- gets us +5 potions, we will barely squeak by to get the best stats. gets us a kol and altair boost
  • either or
  • ask about all your classmates, for leon choose I tend to side with my friends. The route I go makes logical/emotional right at 50 so we can get the +1 fighting during chapter 3 and then after that we can make logical as high as possible. This boosts emotional and cambion.
  • this is wonderful or i can’t believe- less resistance
  • i trust you- astrid boost
  • can say wait. vampire gangs? then a cat’s footsteps- more cambion boosts
  • aw, did you- biggest astrid boost
  • hey, i’m- cyrus boost, he’ll never be our friend but we can boost him a bit
  • astrid, back off- leon and koll boost, astrid hit, nephilim boost. we need those boosts, astrid will love us anyway
  • any option but the last
  • hi, everyone- boosts to everyone present, less resistance, more happiness
  • ask all the questions, say that seems like an incredible distortion- neph hit, cambion boost. we will get a million neph boosts, it’s fine.
  • say I had my dad- this will get an achievement later, also for drakaina race it boosts them but not in this guide
  • yeah, i will, and yeah, it was- less happiness, more resistance, more lawful
  • ask all the questions, say don’t worry, i don’t hate you when that comes up, say i wonder how the school or i just hope blood isn’t in the drink dispenser when that comes up, for yakov say this is all so awesome- less resistance, and don’t ask him about his past life or his powers
  • Dinner is probably the better option. Pretty big curious hit but no lawful hit
  • first 2 options, don’t say i’d rather not
  • definitely not the food…- kol boost
  • i guess i’ll check it out- leon and curious boost
  • either that’s it or just astrid being astrid- less resistance
  • something to throw- +1 fighting, least damaging stat boost option
  • seraphina?- +1 int and logic boost
  • well, if i’m up- thalia and yakov boost, lawful boost. this will get yakov above 60 to do even more boosts
  • follow her
  • what happened with Astrid
  • either that’s stupid or I want a dragon, i go with i want a dragon cause i do- thal boost
  • see you later- the other option leads to nowhere we want
  • i start filling it out truthfully- lawful
  • explore the school
  • check out the sand court- say sure, i’m game- student approval, +3 fighting we need
  • look for the library
  • complete guide to ritual- +1 potions
  • basic potion recipes- +1 potions. this barely lets us eek out 11 in potions we need for the best stats
  • laws of magic, seventh edition- +1 int and unlocks more stats later
  • sure, it’ll be fun!- astrid and leon boost
  • you like both, this is necessary, or maybe only guys is necessary. yeah, only guys is necessary but I will not limit myself
  • oh, cute!- remember that +1 cunning way back? this boost is because of that
  • all the options- cascade down
  • food option
  • Leon- we want leon to be above 60 so we can boost him more later
  • sign me up for that- more leon boost
  • any choice but “no”- . it gives us +2 fighting we will need (have i mentioned we need the fighting options?) I kick it in the face because the reaction is funny
  • element choice- doesn’t matter what you choose for this guide- fire seems to be leaned on, lots of things don’t like fire and fire dancers are a thing. ice is a ground drake’s weakness, has defense and offense. lightning has the technology subset which seems cool. I go lightning because I don’t need no weakness exploitation
  • any option
  • any option- they like it when you insult them, take that how you will
  • agreed with- less resistance
  • talk to leon- we kind of go on a little war with his relationship stats, not just once but twice we will sacrifice his relationship for stats.
  • any option- this is the one time you can yell “to casual hookups!” and not be looked down upon
  • seraphina and thalia’s group- we’re here for katia (and thalia). girl gives the best presents. on solstice day she gives us a gift that gives us +5 stats. thank you girl
  • Hope- gisela and katia boost, kind boost, gisela is grumpy and the polar opposite of katia, we will never get her to 60 but we will get her to above 50 at least
  • it was so awesome!- katia, sera, and thalia boost. gisela hit, resistance decrease.
  • if i have time i might- neutral option. we do this to get gisela as high as possible
  • how long have you had her?- sera boost and making her more human
  • Attack!- here we punch kol. +1 fighting and kol hit. Now out fighting is 10 that we need
  • either or, they both like us
  • wait what?- teacher boost, and lawful boost
  • deny astrid if you like girls as well
  • raise your hand- why we read the laws of magic, lawful boost
  • the law of magical identity- +2 int and teacher boost
  • he needs to be taken down a couple pegs- sacrifice leon relationship for +3 cunning. he’s still above 60
  • you take notes- +2 int, teacher boost
  • this won’t define me- now we go more logic
  • you’re a nephilim- this was so hard to find aaaah. elemental, nephilim, and magicians give the same stats. elementals go pure elemental, magicians go pure potions, nephilim are more balanced. Nephilim are very sneaky with their boosts I went with elemental for so long, it hurts.
  • i’m…i’m fine- +1 cunning, less resistance
  • that’s a relief- +1 cunning
  • this is awful…- less happiness
  • is that gisela and katia?- final chance to boost katia without sacrificing stats. we will get her to above 60
  • any option
  • oh, katia, save me- gisela and katia boost
  • any option
  • any option- hope you have astrid as she doesn’t get jealous of you doing well
  • join kol and altair- +4 potions, kol and altair boosts boost
  • no flying or teleporting- +1 potions and more kol and altair boosts
  • parent options, doesn’t matter
  • i think there’s value- +3 cunning
  • a bracelet- the only thing that will be useful later, we aren’t using any of those
  • i suppose or i’m good- logic boost
  • we’re going to be the best- cause we will, lawful and less resistance
  • let’s think about this- lawful
  • call out- logic and +1 cunning
  • we decide to go deeper- best stats to be found here
  • get the hell out of dodge- +5 fighting, running from the manticore gives us +5 to a stat when all other stats give +3. and we get to do it twice. insane
  • start, running- +5 fighting and the exact same text we read before. even though we go slow with the gnomes we still get to be the first ones arrived. (doesn’t do anything, just bragging rights)
  • attempt to intervene- sera boost, teacher boost, grade boost (lol), lawful boost
  • what secretaries?- curious boost
  • this is awful- kindness boost, i take kindness always when i can
  • well, let’s head back- the subplots don’t give us stats. leon, yakov, and sera boost, lawful boost. we need the lawful the other will kill it.
  • any option- you’re unqualified
  • explore your options if you want- we’re taking leon’s offer for lots of faction approval and +3 cunning. magicians and nephilim can choose hospital work or something for +3 ritual potions. other jobs aren’t as good. we need all the cunning we can get
  • go help seraphina- +1 potions. here it is the sera path. +1 potions to barely hit 11 potions
  • I like you seraphina- sera boost, sera feelings, and sera sees you as a friend. important to get her +3 int later.
  • are you considering your romantic- this is to date sera, sera feelings and sera boost. you can pick other options if you don’t want that. What do you like? is probably the best. (as a human we can get another boost to willpower with sera or if she was less than 50 +1 cunning. +5 boosts! sera is best girl).
  • any option
  • raise your hand- always a good option +1 int and teacher boost
  • the last 2 boost logic, the others do nothing
  • any option- we get to keep our shield for later
  • all the options- cascade down
  • this one is really up in the air- i choose there has to be some connection
  • angelic magic lessons with cressida- cressida boost. cyrus isn’t going to hit 60 so we will give her a boost. we need the +5 elemental and +1 cunning
  • any option
  • the first 2. if that’s what or i guess practice
  • this isn’t some political- +1 cunning
  • all but the last one. not “ugh”
  • is that his go to story- +1 cunning
  • power through- +4 int, lawful, go a little crazy, all grades increase (like we need it)
  • pretty much all of them boost davina except i have no idea what you’re talking about, i choose why don’t you pull up a chair?
  • parents options none of them matter too much, except for father say is she actually dead? it also doesn’t matter but it does make you suspicious
  • call back the woman- lawful and gets us faction approval
  • of course I will or I most likely will- nymph boost. fun fact, you will attend
  • yes, he was planning- nephilim boost (we don’t need)
  • this could be a good chance- +3 cunning, lawful hit
  • the file cabinet- all choices are good. this requires a 25 int check we will pass like a boss
  • i’ll just go into the city- this is the path to more stats
  • head to the street fair- the best items in the world are there
  • one of those wish candles- despite sera saying otherwise they work and they’re amazing
  • make a wish for strength and power- +5 willpower, can get +5 int or fighting too. these things are insane.
  • any option- say me for fun, I won’t spoil it
  • fire dancers- +2 elemental, the others give +1 fighting if we were kitsune or drakaina the duelist arena would be slightly better.
  • any option
  • any option
  • any option
  • mine, as always- raising your hand like a nerd as always (you will be smarter than even sera)- sera and teacher boost
  • any option
  • we get some options depending if your dating sera or not, I won’t get into detail with them. just make sure to say oh, sure! or else you won’t be romancing her anymore
  • any option is fine
  • study for class- we don’t need friends we need stats +3 int
  • practice in my room- +3 elemental, the other is +2 int we don’t need
  • it’s all so wonderful!- +1 cunning, why we chose to be unhappy
  • yes, secretary monroe- +1 cunning, nephilim boost, +1 willpower later. we just barely meet 70 lawful for him not to question our loyalty whoooo
  • +1 cunning at the end of discussion too
  • tele class- i got a weird glitch where it said i didn’t pass the 10 tele when i had 11 tele. doesn’t matter, i’ll still pass
  • if chose to be friends with sera- go to the library +3 int
  • how are you doing today?- sera emotions
  • i choose the first option to get some sera emotions and then let’s get back to studying for a little relationship
  • check out the museum- we didn’t go for the subplots
  • go to petrova’s- here lies +1 cunning and an achievement
  • it’s useful information to have- +1 cunning. we manage to not reduce yakov relationship
  • leon, my grade really depends on this…-+1 cunning and a small leon hit. omg i didn’t even notice this.
  • attack him with blasts- the light manipulation requires 20 elemental, we can’t do it. but gives the same boosts: +3 elemental
  • while it’s typically believed- big teacher boost. watch us and sera go in a nerd war
  • try and find thalia- she has stats
  • i wanted to practice for the singles- +1 elemental and +1 tele
  • C. they were traditionally
  • E. all the above
  • B. binding
  • any option
  • dodge, and grab some of the monarda- +1 fighting +4 ritual potions, why we get 11 ritual potions
  • use as little power
  • either or, tap water hits your grade a bit but gives kol boost. up to you
  • despite the glitch, I get all A’s. at least 90 in all subjects. if not for the glitch. id have at least 95 in all subjects. not bad, not bad.
  • any option
  • uuh, i poured over this. psychic abilities gives no stats. I have emailed support over this, I believe it’s supposed to give +4 willpower as the second book shows it’s supposed to give willpower. if they fix it, it will make nephilim even more god tier. if they don’t go elemental manipulation 2.
  • ritual magic- +4 potions, the other gives int. I think we’re doing very good in that department. please note if you took ritual magic, you could get sigils and runes. which would give 1 extra stat if you study sigils. i chose the path of balance but I want to put that out there.
  • Telekinesis 2- +4 telekinesis baby
  • I got gifts for all my friends in NMC- if they have 60+ relationship. relationship boost.
  • any option
  • any option
  • get in some last minute practice- +3 stats
  • work on your skills alone- +1 fighting, +1 elemental. +1 tele. I’m mainly here for the tele. it does spread the stats nicely though. *edit: going with cyrus boosts him and gives 3 elemental so we can freely get 2 will saves later, this will be important if psychic abilities gets fixed)
  • any option
  • use telekinesis- +1 tele (why we took tele class. we can get good tele boosts here) have to pass an 11 tele check
  • use telekinesis- +1 tele have to pass a 15 telekinesis check to move on. we can barely do so
  • go at her physically- +1 fighting, tele > fighting > elemental. stat boost wise. we will get an insane amount of elemental don’t worry.
  • any choice- BE A MAN, wear a dress
  • any choice
  • this is all so amazing- kol boost and less resistance
  • any choice
  • any choice but saying narcissism is a family trait
  • Astrid and cressida- we get 2 cressida boosts which is rare. astrid going even higher…
  • blind it and stun it- the only choice that will pass. all factions get boosted and +3 elemental. i love how being a celestial lowers elemental checks to 20 instead of 30.
  • it’ll be good- leon boost. we could get a yakov boost but this makes him less emotional, we will boost him later.
  • going with astrid and Altair- this eventually gets us +3 fighting. all other options give +2 to a stat
  • yes
  • any choice
  • thank you so much- kindess boost
  • that mus be because of the recent attacks- lawful boost
  • so am I- astrid boost (like we need it)
  • any option
  • any option works- only saying i’m a pro makes you good
  • any option
  • knock and go inside- free achievement
  • any option
  • any option
  • any option
  • if chose elemental class- variations in elemental manipulation
  • really any option- the first gives sera, the second gives kol (we’re good on his boosts now), and the third gives leon
  • i’m grateful this is more practical- yakov boost, finally
  • i draw each sigil carefully- altair, lawful, and +4 ritual potions
  • people seriously didn’t do the reading?- lawful and logic, the other does a big grade hit
  • either: i can only hope or what does he need?- logic boost
  • forbidden magic on Nymph Isle?- curiosity boost
  • i don’t like the thought- kindness boost
  • walk forwards- +3 willpower. if you never use compulsion you get an achievement, but we need willpower to be boosted. kindess hit for the kindness boost you just got. *note: only celestials (cambion and nephilim) get this boost if they have high cunning.
  • this one is…tricky…if we took sigils and runes we could get +3 to a stat. the others give 2 (except doing nothing). Honestly, the lab, the gym, or working on psychical magic are all good options. I go the gym. why? to make my numbers all nice at the end.
  • all but the first are fine
  • it’ll be fun- leon and cyrus boost
  • any option
  • here you can choose who you are going to the ball with. if you chose to romance sera, you’ll go with her automatically
  • any option
  • any option
  • i’m going to die- logic boost
  • any option
  • these choices depend on who you’re romancing.
  • any option
  • another achievement because our cunning is insane
  • any option
  • there was no need- kindness boost
  • let them go- lawful boost and avoid health loss
  • I wonder why- curious boost, we don’t need more lawful
  • any option but the first is fine. it is strange gives us curious and they’re getting hasty gives us logic
  • any option
  • any option
  • Attack them- +1 elemental. lawful hit
  • any option
  • any option really. the second one we don’t have enough willpower for but doesn’t matter.
  • call and ambulance is lawful and what the hell is logical
  • sera and yakov- they are the only ones that give boosts to their relationship for some reason
  • going with yakov gives him a boost, or go sera. i go yakov, he’s lower
  • let’s go walk- sera emotions
  • …do you want to know more- kindness boost
  • any option
  • any option
  • achievement for kol being 75 or cunning above 25. our cunning is 30, we good
  • any option
  • any option
  • any option
  • if kol can stall- this sets our health -30. best out of all the options
  • no. we have to go back- save poor kol. big kind boost
  • any option
  • i’m too worried about kol- kol boost
  • any option
  • any option
  • any option
  • how did you get ahold- sera boost and lawful hit
  • any option
  • any option
  • both of you should come- thal and yakov boost
  • hurl a blast of- +1 elemental
  • run out of the way- +1 fighting
  • send a blast- +1 elemental and an achievement
  • Stop it, reyna- +1 will power.
  • we’re not going to kill her

And that’s the end of this guide. The rest is just the epilogue. let’s sum it up: 30 Cunning- S+ tier. the hardest check is 26. 30 Fighting- S or S+ tier- the hardest fighting is usually 25, i think there’s some niche 30. 34 Elemental manipulation- S tier . the hardest is 30. 39 Intelligence- SS tier. like my goodness we are freaking 8 points from even 31 checks. 20 Ritual magic- A+ to S tier, like fighting there might be niche 25 checks. Telekinesis- S tier. all the tele i’ve seen is 20. 15 willpower- B+ tier, if the freaking psychic class worked we could get it to 20 and be S tier. the will saves are either 10 or 20 in this book. meaning we can pass half of them and are on our way to that 20. Grand total: if the psychic class worked we’d have an S+ monster. as it stands we have an S class monster, still good.

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if psychic abilities gets fixed: train with cyrus when getting last minute practice in. +3 elemental during the tournament: use telekinesis, +1 tele. now we no longer have enough tele for the second attack. Attack with a blast: +1 elemental. Go at her physically +1 fighting then during downtime: practice physical magic- +1 elemental and tele then reyna fight. Hurl a blast- +1 elemental, run out of the way- +1 fighting then stay for +1 willpower and stop it reyna for another willpower. that will make all the stats even. 30 cun, 29 fighting (25 fighting is all you really need) 30 elemental, 39 int (can’t really do anything about that), 20 ritual, 20 tele, and 20 willpower. (This path lets you succeed on everything but even if you fail during the Reyna fight, it’s fine because we saved kol)

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Really good work you got there. It is kind of too bad you miss out on the massacre plot, though, and playing a Kit soon. That plus Sera Romance plus human dad are the plot elements that all go really well together

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One must make sacrifices in the pursuit of power. I was disappointed that kitsune wasn’t more powerful even though it was locked only to the fire element. I feel like if you lock something you should give it more stats or something to make up for it. I guess they kinda did give it a lot of story.

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Oh wow, that was amazing, thank you so much for your guide :grinning_face::heart: I bookmarked it so I won’t lose it :laughing:

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Good job.

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Looking at my own personal guide, because I wanted to make comparisons, although it’s for a completely separate character build and doesn’t have quite the same level of high stats as yours does, I’m able to achieve more or less the same stuff but with a lot less room for margin of error. Also, I miss out on that 25 intelligence check you need for extra constellation project info in the secretaries’s office in book one but that’s about it.

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Yeah, you certainly don’t have to go as crazy as my build goes. Honestly you can go pure elemental, fighting, or ritual potions and be fine (telekinesis is a little harder). As all the checks for them are pretty much tied together. I just wanted to find the path with the highest stats balancing between all the stats. Choosing to specialize in one of those and going for the subplots is a perfectly fine way to play. I honestly like my build having little room for error, all the checks I barely pass while getting the highest stats just lets me know I went the optimal route (from a stats perspective).

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Most games it’s usually preferable to go for the high stat builds, but in this one, where so much of it is based around finding out secrets, it doesn’t have quite the value it otherwise would. I can balance usually everything except for telekinesis and fighting, which sucks because telekinesis has a very funny scene in book 2 and fighting is just all around useful, But I do pretty well with everything else

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The build still learns about half the secrets. Which is pretty good for not actively trying to get them. Some of which are locked to specific family types or the human only hunter subplot

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Will you do one for keeper of the day and night?

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I’ve been thinking about it. With the first character we are pretty much free to do whatever. I haven’t really seen any hidden stat boosts but I haven’t looked very hard as I did this one. You also choose your major in that one and though there is a major that is superior stat wise, it’s not by much. I will say though, I got the pleasant surprise that in the second book we do get an extra boost (I think it’s like +4) to elemental because we are celestials

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Second one is nowhere near a lot of work, a lot of stats just naturally increase overtime by themselves and once you go in with your book one character, there’s only a few things you need to look out for, the main thing is picking out what you think are going to be important choices that’ll come back in book 3

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If you’re curious, the major is political science. Which does make sense story wise. You are very heavily involved in the politics of NMC. It gives +5 cunning. The others give different boosts that are less. Like Battle major gives +2 elemental. Which I was surprised about

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Omg I finally figured it out. The telekinesis fail isn’t a glitch. We have 8 telekinesis and then in gets boosted by 3 during the same page as the check for 10 tele, the check comes before the +3 boost so we had to have 10 tele before the stat boost.

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Alright after a couple of playthroughs, I’ve determined there’s enough “best” options to do sort of a guide. I’m going to do a playthrough of my run instead of an actual guide to show the best options. There’s a lot of freedom to do whatever you want so it’s easier to just show what my run looked like and point out the best stat options than to skip huge sections at a time. It may be a day or 2. Book 2 changes from scarce willpower to scarce telepathy. Basically only the first chapter boosts it, wild since telepathy is a combat stat

Of course as soon as I start making my guide to the second book…Ladies, gentlemen, and everyone else. The psychic abilities classes has been fixed…our nephilim is now a seraphim