I was just about to mention this as well. Like honestly, does everyone just expect to drop all the hate for past actions and be all buddy buddy now? Realistically, that’s not happening. There’s is going to be some feuds and bad blood between certain characters. Sure, for some it may seem “heartless” but at the same time, Dylan, Edgar and Rosie did try to kill her and Lyle at one point. So it’s entirely fair and reasonable for her comment given the history between them. Don’t necessarily agree with it, but I get where she is coming from.
Then again most people have short term memory on things it seems.
There’s just a disconnect between us waiting for/playing part 3 and in-game events
In-game, Driver and Rosie were about ready to straight up execute Jillian only what, 2 weeks ago?
I actually like Edgar and Rosie but it’s definitely the kind where it’s like “try getting people to like you”
In the same vein, I remember talking to Kelly, asking about loyalty and them blowing up. I completely forgotten they invited the Silverthornes in the first place and that would even be an issue given no one died (on our side), but in-game it’s literally just like 2 weeks ago or so that Kelly almost got us all killed
While i would love to have my female mc get pregnant i remember jim once said that the pregnant storyline for jillian alone was a lot of work and having a surrogate/donor for gay couples would mean the characters have to actively trying for kids and i’m pretty sure no one would actually want to have a baby in an apocalypse at least not at this point. I think jim choosing jillian for this storyline was a good decision since it’s fitting for her character and could be great chance for developments. I really do hope that there will be an option to have kids in the epilogue for the players that wanted to tho
Man, what sucks is ((and I’m just seeing this after binge reading a lot of posts and replies)) is that most of the issues or content lacking in some areas which lead to sorta just dud conclusions; or material forced to be touched upon in pt.4 is it looks like it all boils down to time and manpower.
Is Jim working on the Safe Haven project mainly solo? If so, i see a lot of things becoming much more understandable. If so i have a few suggestions for you as a fellow writer.
Add content post-release. If you suddenly get inspiration for a scene or ideas for other stuff; do not be afraid to just add it in an update, or add bonus stuff as cheap DLC. Sure it goes against somes personal “codes” to add more paid DLC after release since it’ll look like it was pre-made and just locked behind a money wall. However, when it comes to these sorta interactive choice games its different, since writing more story and adding it is different than pay-locking a level in a game; in my eyes anyway.
So, if i have to wait some months for more scenes in a part, or put out like $2 for more content ((depending on how much added)) id have absolutely NO PROBLEM with this. Safe Haven isnt just some small project now by all means, but a dedicated series.
If you need to wait to release a part, so you can add more content extend the deadline. Pt.3 where as great, to me just barely hits the amount of stuff to be able to do bar. You meet all these groups but only see them all once. When establishing alliances should be done at the same time as building up the camp. The science route is ((in my opinion)) still completely pointless, and gives no incentive to do. Actually to be brutally honest, none of the side plots feel in anyway fullfilling.
Side plots when chosen, are generally seen to give special scenes, events, maybe items or character meetings as an incentive to do them. But so far, science is meh, military you go to Lancelot no matter what, hacker sorta does this? Since you get to interact with Julianne and see how Exodus and Safe Haven are related, this is a tangible reason to do this plot; since if you DONT do this plot you DONT see it.
Again, take more time if needed for chapters. Just how much stuff is gonna have to be crammed into 4 at this point? Character interactions, plot conclusions, updates in side activities and more; which may be forgotten, or missed since there is so much now. By not taking your time in earlier parts its making a larger workload for you in later parts.
So, TAKE YOUR TIME, JIM. Im sure I can speak for many of your fans and say we are willing to wait, if it helps a release seem more complete; or so the parts can be polished to really shine, or just post content. Oh! And dont burn yourself out. Obviously your health is the most important!
Sincerely,
A fan who absolutely loves the story and community youve created with Safe Haven and Exodus.~
Shrinking this because it’s a bit long and riddled with spoilers.
Summary
Jillian is not innocent, and is a criminal in her own right that doesn’t deserve a free pass either. She’s a liar and a thief that tried to rob us, and didn’t care how that would affect our own survival. She would’ve left us to die after robbing us, yet we’re supposed to forgive her? Lyle is the only reason she stopped (after getting them to trust us). Despite this I still gave her a second chance because I’m a good-natured person. Apparently I’m more forgiving than her though, and should have kicked her out after Lyle left.
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Rosie and Edgar suffer from mental instability and abuse, and that allowed Dillan to manipulate them (this crap happens in real life too). She would know that if she actually tried to get to know them. Dillan was ultimately responsible for that encounter, and even Jaime could attest to that. If she wants to blame someone, she should blame Dillan, or her own bad karma. Also, I never took Jillian to the school, so that first meeting outside with Lyle was the one and only conflict for her with them present. Rosie and Edgar joined us and became productive, friendly members of the group that helped keep her alive during the zombie battle at the beginning of part 2. Without them helping, she’d most likely be zombie chow right now. And if I recall correctly, someone said Jillian murders them if you bring her to the school, so that makes her no better than Dillan. Or does that only happen if Dillan killed Lyle? I haven’t seen that path yet.
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As I said before, I just find it inappropriate for her to have said something that cold-hearted when 1) Edgar never hurt her or Lyle in my story; and 2) everyone was grieving over those who were lost at the time. She might not have liked him, but other people in our group did, including myself. I would have called her out on it if I had been given the option to. It was a bit disappointing that we couldn’t. She really needs to learn some tact. There’s a time and place for things, and that was not the time. I appreciate manners and she seems to lack them.
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Not trying to ‘bash’ her character or anything like that, so please don’t feel offended and take what I’ve said the wrong way. I’m simply stating facts based on how the story played out for me. Her saying that actually felt a little out of place in my playthrough, and her words and actions are some of the things that make her incompatible as a romance option for me. To each their own. I’m hoping Jim will provide an alternative RO for a ‘pregnancy route’ because it would be nice to experience it with someone else. I’m only attracted to men, so she was never really an option to begin with anyway. lol
Now that’s all I care to say of this matter, so I won’t discuss it further. And to all the Jillian fans, grats on having a kid!
I saw that scene too, and I’m glad Kelly got the chance to express her feelings on the matter. I never saw anything like this for Jillian in regards to her feelings about Edgar and Rosie later on at the junkyard (after the ‘prom’ and before the zombie attack). If she does, then I simply haven’t seen it in my playthrough.
It seems like it’s impossible so far to both not have Gina die and also fight the Forest Rats, which is a shame.
Since the Junkyard defense seems to increase daily if you have improvements, and building only the weakest improvement (alarm) and only setting guards on one day to get a defense of 6 to not have Gina die still leads to a defense of 9 which results in the Forest Rats being stopped
You can already make peace with thelma at the tavern? if you decide to send their verhicle back, fully fixed, then she’s willing to let let bygones be bygones.
Yeah, this is an actual scene in the game, I just don’t know what causes it. Most likely if Lyle is killed she will pull out a gun and aim it at Rosie and Driver when you tell them they can come back with your group. Then the MC is presented with a list of options to try to stop her. If Lyle isn’t killed, she will verbally complain about bringing them along but do nothing.
All in all, the whole “hate” nonsense if absurd and people really need to think about things before making statements of wishing death on a character over simple transgressions when we too are making transgressions as well. Just sayin.
I sort of agree. I mean, there’s nothing wrong with disliking a character and you don’t need a rational/non-hypocritical reason to dislike them. But Jillian and Kelly in particular do get a lot of flak, and they’re not necessarily more flawed than the other characters. They’re just different flaws, and their strengths are also more behind the scenes, rather than being good at building or combat.
Jillian also remains the best character to take with you on missions to persuade people
Jillian + Rachel are the dream team for this-- generally if people have exceptional traits/skills like that you can overlook past stuff easier
In that vein, I hope next chapter we can work more with other science-y / electronically minded people. 1) It would give more use to training other survivors (so far only relevant very few times, and doesn’t change much) and 2) would allow for characters like Parker to shine. Plus Madison’s non-shooty side to be explored
Plus I just want my characters to be able to discuss the virus, LEGIT, etc with others
Maybe without mention the slight moment with Julianne… Although… That does bring up a really good idea for some fun with the romances via cam-cam action with another watching/joining in…
I said I’m not going to discuss this further, but I will defend myself just this once because you’re making unfair assumptions about me.
Summary
First of all, I never said I ‘hate’ her, so don’t put words in my mouth. I said I can’t stand her. There’s a difference. It’s like dealing with a family member that annoys you to the point of wanting to knock some sense into them at times, but you never actually do. Everyone has something they can’t stand about another person, doesn’t mean they ‘hate’ them, and it’s wrong of you to assume that of me. I wouldn’t be surprised if you’ve gotten into an argument about Jillian before and are just taking it out on me for voicing my opinion. It certainly looks that way, and it’s immature.
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It’s hypocritical to say her reason is because she was upset about them pointing guns at her with the intent to kill when she literally admitted wanting to jump the bones of a man who did the same thing a few days later. Pointed a gun at us with the intent to kill us, and not a single shot was fired in both cases. She’s awfully biased and irrational about who she chooses to forgive if that’s the case, and it didn’t even take long… It would seem people she labels hot in her mind get a free pass. Only Jim would have the answer to that.
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When you turn, you find yourself staring down the barrel of a Remington 870 shotgun, locked and loaded. At the opposite end of the gun is a pale-skinned man in his late thirties or early forties with a red-and-green baseball cap that displays a logo of an elk. A worn leather ranger jacket rests atop a forest-camouflage sleeveless t-shirt. Full length camo pants and hiking boots complete the outfit. His square jaw is clenched, dotted in the white whiskers of a five o’clock shadow, and his blue eyes stare at you with a hardened, merciless glare.
You have no doubt that a wrong move could end in death.
Minutes later:
A mischievous grin crosses Jillian’s face and she bites her lower lip, accentuating her overbite. “Is it wrong that I’d totally do Kent if he asked me?”
Summary
Just like with Dillan’s group, she’d most likely be dead had I not diffused the situation, yet she pretty much forgave Kent instantly and added him to her WF list. This makes absolutely no sense.
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I honestly don’t expect someone like you to ever understand me, so I won’t even bother trying much. It would be a waste of time for both of us. I will say this though: Regardless of how far society falls in this world (and the real world), right and wrong will always exist, no matter how much people try to deny it. They just make excuses for being inhumane so they don’t have to take responsibility for their actions, like the Silverthornes. And some people deserve a chance at redemption, whether they were being manipulated; forced into doing what they did; or it simply being an accident. Humans are capable of great forgiveness given time. I believe that even Jillian is capable of that, and I’m sure that if she had more time she may have forgiven him eventually, unless she turns out to be one of those types that holds a grudge until death.
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Now, this was never a debate to begin with, it was a simple statement in reference as to why I even wanted to request an alternative RO choice for pregnancy, and your rude input wasn’t needed for that, nor wanted. I don’t care for her overall character as she is now. I gave my reasons as to why so no one would automatically assume, like you’re doing now. People in “fandoms” always have an awful tendency to do this whenever someone says even one thing ‘bad’ about a character that someone else is obsessed with. It’s disgusting behavior and uncalled for. This is the very reason many people have told me that fandoms are ‘toxic’, and that I should stay away for my own well-being. But I’m here for Jim, not you, so I will ignore any further replies to this ridiculousness for my own sake.
Jillian never needed defending, and I have a right to express my opinion without getting personally attacked over it. You could badmouth literally any character into oblivion and I wouldn’t give a damn because that’s your opinion, and I’m not you. I don’t feel the need to publicly defend them because their characters defend themselves in the hearts of their fans without a single word being spoken.
Respectfully, get over it and move on.
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Yet another false assumption on your part.
And the thing about feeding Jillian to zombies? Learn how to take a joke because that’s all it ever was. I wouldn’t kill her, I’d rather send her to Thelma where she can have fun with the biker boys all she wants. I don’t know about how you play, but my character doesn’t kill people, and never stole from Thelma, Jude, or any other possible theft situation in the game. You don’t know me, so don’t pretend to, and don’t lump me together with other random people you’ve chosen to argue with in the past. I am my own person, and the only time I ever chose a ‘kill option’ was to test for bugs, and see the other paths available because I don’t look at the code beforehand, and even doing that much is rare for me. I’m against killing unless it’s absolutely necessary, whether it be in self-defense or saving the life of another person.
Thank you for letting me know that this subject has come up before. I appreciate it. ^^
I hope so too. Honestly I’d be grateful for anything he decides to do with it because I love this story very much. It’s not often I find a decent choice game for the horror genre that pulls me in and keeps me playing. Jim does a great job of that.
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Only Jim would have the answer to that.
