Yes, according to Jim D, the new election CAN be avoided.
As for our ongoing discussion of group issues, I’ve recruited everyone I can, even Jude, and he shot at me. Jillian tried to rob me, with Lyle. Rosie tried to kill me, Woody, Brody, and Madison (I take the last most personally). Reilly didn’t approve of me for leadership initially. You should take into account that the apocalypse has only been going on for 3 weeks at the end of part 3. Most group members are still dealing with some very recent, definitely awful emotional trauma. Then you also need to think about safety in numbers. If you boot Jaime, Woody will go with him (they are cousins), probably Rosie, possibly Dante and a few others. If you lose more than a few people, Any sizable group is going to be able to take the junkyard from you, if it doesn’t just outright collapse from jobs going undone, or get overrun by a horde. That’s beside the fact that morale would take a huge hit. It’s unlikely there will ever be a situation where every group member feels the same as MC, and just being honest, the story would be boring as fuck if there was no interpersonal drama between group members. There’s a part of me that wants to crush Kevin’s face, because I know he’s scheming on Madison, but I understand why I haven’t been given the opportunity, and honestly I don’t know if I would, if the opportunity came up. I try to think in the long term, because I hope we get 10 parts of this masterpiece story. Killing/banishing too many, cuts off too many story hooks.
@Geralt Losing some member better than bring all member to death.For me ,If you still continue to let Jaime stay ,he will damage group more than losing some member of group.if he still keeping act like this .It’s not worthy for letting him stay in group
P.S Be honest Jaime drama is the most annoying .I don’t like people like Jaime ,act like good friend but he is not different from Dillian. I mean that Hypocrite. Or people like Billie or Kelly who try not ignore brutal in reality.It such annoying.
@JimD Q.1Could I ask you about group punishment? Will we have group punishment in future?
Q.2 In the Future ,Can we back to reclaim The development ? I quite like that place .
He was an alright guy at the start of this but now he is becoming like him. While he hasn’t actually killed someone yet he is acting cold now and even turned away that family with kid when he used to be against it. We gonna have to do something about him before something happens that ruins the group. The group might be lose some people if he’s kicked but it’s better than a manipulative sensitive guy working against us all. If the group favour’s the Mc more than him it wouldn’t be that bad and the Junkyard will still be ours.
I haven’t seen Jaime be manipulative, he’s pretty straightforward. I truly have no idea where the “working against us” comes from, but maybe you’re seeing something I’m not If it’s him wanting another election, he’s absolutely right that 25-30% of the group wasn’t at the hilltop, and didn’t get a say in leadership. That’s fair, not undermining you, and seriously, unless you’ve been some kind of psychopath, or outright asshole, winning reelection is cake. My issue with Jaime not wanting Anders, Monica, and Missy, more stemmed from the fact that literally earlier the same day, he was arguing for taking in Alison and August (I took in both groups). it seemed more jarring narratively than anything else to me.
Banishing him would go badly, because it’s not just a few people who would leave. It’s the positions they hold. Woody is your best builder, AND best scientist. Rosie is a top 5 fighter. Billie is the only one with agricultural training. Plus, if you start kicking people out, others are going to start looking for exits. Brody and Madison’s uncle is nearby, maybe they just take off one night. Maybe some of your scavengers just keep walking. Or maybe someone murders you in your sleep. If people can’t voice their opinions without fear of reprisal, they leave, or resort to extreme measures. The group has been very lucky that the people they lost, have been nonessential, or with redundant skill sets. People are a resource, the only irreplaceable one. If there was no option in the game to be leader of the group, would you be happy if the leader behaved the way you choose to? If you voiced your opinion, and you were punished for it, would you tolerate that? Would you want to stay in that group? Would you even want to play the game? The answer for me, is no. On all counts.
If anything, Rachel is canonically the more manipulative one, as seen in Parts 1 and 2. As much as I like her and pick her as a second in command (and sometimes RO), I feel like she’s the one most likely to turn on MC if she feels that MC isn’t the best leader to ensure continued Junkyard Group existence. Unlike Jaime, she probably won’t use a re-election to…express that.
I tend to agree, Rachel is more manipulative, and a bigger threat of a hostile takeover, although I doubt that will be an issue Most of my group members are rated as best friend, I think all but the newest members had over 70. Group allegiance and morale both over 90. I’m actually hoping for unanimous support in the re election. It’s one of the achievements I couldn’t get in part 2. Probably because I always take the teenager path.
Not anymore she isn’t when came clean at hilltop and if u played her story u can see that she really wanted to help people but couldn’t cos people didn’t know much about her so they died. This is probably what helped her change. I just hope she recovers soon.
Besides I already have a reason get him gone since I killed woody while fending the zombies in chapter 2 cos I didn’t like him since he was too judgmental about Finn. No way I was letting him go after I found out he murdered everyone there. He won’t take that lightly lightly for obvious reasons. If that gets out there will be trouble. I don’t mean I want to kill him but it best he’s out the way.
At the end of part 3, Jaime earned people’s anger for rejecting a woman and child from joining the group. But what if, in a crazy plot twist, Jaime was right for once and we can’t trust them? Also, The hypocrisy runs deep as we can’t really point fingers. We literally had the option to invite Driver and Rosie who shot at us, as well as Jude Who literally targeted both women and children at the grocery store. The apocalypse may be getting to Jaime a little, but so far there is no evidence to suggest that he is becoming a threat or a traitor. He’s just no longer the yes man he used to be.
Ah so disagreeing with your MC is a capitol offense. Basically your MC is a murder hobo. I guess that’s one way to handle things. I found it easier to question Finn just a little, to find out he was a murderer, and just tell Woody it was justice when I killed him. Woody accepts your reasoning and moves on, like seriously, one question and he doesn’t mention it again, but yeah, murdering the best builder in the group seems equally smart. And too judgmental? Really? You murdered someone, and he expressed a little concern, he didn’t attack you, or call you out in front of the group, or even express the concern when you are forwarded as potential leader. He accepts what happened and moves on. So you murder him while he’s defending the group. Yeah, Woody is the problem in that situation. Not your clear psychopathy. Sure.
I killed White, I killed Finn, I killed Shirley, I killed a whole mess of Silverthorne’s. I’m no pacifist, but I kill when it’s necessary. It sounds to me like your MC’s are Benton 2.0 or Leather Jack, just killing for grins.
He brings up about re-election in the air it’s is obvious evidence. He does the same with Rachel as leader.because he dislike how she organize group .while if he is leader he can’t accept his mistake. He object our authority in subtle way . If you look into start C11 you will see how he manipulate. He will get along with anything he disagree if mostly people in group agree even he is very unhappy about it .it start why he can become traitor in future because Tom in ZE does the same with him . Tom is very very unhappy . while Minny take charge as leader he point any mistake about her.but he will get along if mostly group agree with Minny
Nothing wrong with bringing up election again, unless you want to be Kim Jong Un lol. I think this time, our threats will either be external, or problems we create for ourselves by inviting in the wrong people or treating members badly. Another Tom may be a little cringe, given we already have a traitor in the previous game. That’s just my opinion.
Jaime want Alison and August .How different from Missy Ander Monica from Silverthrone?Alison and August from From Forest Rat who try to break in to steal our food . Jaime have bad logic in apocalypse world.and he always can’t accept it.Democracy isn’t work in apocalypse world.example on the hill if mostly in group vote join with Sliverthorne ,what will happen next .we will be slave In SilverThorne.Our all supply will got by Sliverthorne and is abused by Silverthrone.That why It’s not work.plus everyone is single individual.It risk to lack unity and lack management in group.because everyone have their own need ,different goals and different personalities. So If we want to survive in apocalypse world,we have make everyone has single goal and single motivation and become unity to prevent outside enemies, zombies and avoid inside enemies.
We are their leader ,who come from THEIR VOTES . we **DON’T use power to abuse them.**but we use power to protect them and keep them survive AND HAPPY .so we ISN’T Kim Jun Un and ISN’T dictrator. .and NOT Every single Leader is dictrator . (EX.Thelma group) Dictrator is single Leader who use their power to abuse and harass Their subcoordinates and Thier fellows.(Ex.Keith from Silverthorne, Jacob from Forerst RaT or Good Man From New army )
For me ,Democracy can work in normal situation but In Apocalypse world It is different.It is survive situation. (๋If I remember correctly, Jaime as Leader route use democracy system in group and The result It trashs group and Jaime act like dictrator ,and not different from your Kim Jun OH (When other mention or blame his mistake about his leadership,he is very unhappy and very upset and angry with other ) ) And Do you think He is still Alright now ? @Geralt@Denzil_Melgior_Nagel
Jaime is only one unhappy even We trying hard to make him happy or make decision to please him and that why I point Jaim can become traitor in future because even we have high food watwer and power supply keep everyone happy BUT Jaime is ONLY one,who is very unhappy and want re-election. =_= Don’t you think it is weird ? @Geralt@Denzil_Melgior_Nagel Because What Jaime feel unhappy about is us/Rachel as leader (I understand in Rachel’s case but I don’t understand in MC’s Case).Even We have hight food watwer and power supply or good organization in group,he is very very unhappy and point us is bad leader and try to undermind Our authority in subtel way just because he has deep upset with us/Rachel and he think he can become leader better than us ? (In DEMO ,If you ask him about re-election .You will see how confident he is ,as if he belives that people will vote him as leader ,and His confident about re-election make clear about his motivation)
Again, my Jaime isn’t unhappy, and I’ve never dealt with him as leader. I won overwhelmingly in the first election. He says he thinks I’m doing a great job, but that the newcomers should have a chance to choose their leader. I have a 95 relationship with him, and 100 empathy skill. Jaime and I don’t always agree on everything, nor do I agree with Rachel every time, I don’t even agree with Maddie all the time, and she’s my RO. 30 survivors aren’t going to agree all the time, you seem to want blind obedience from your group members, That’s not going to happen, for the reasons I’ve stated, and from a narrative standpoint, disagreements with friends and allies is the dramatic backbone of the game. If I just wanted to kill zombies, and loot, I’d play State of Decay 2.
I have Gina instead so I didn’t need him. I’m not going to keep a character that I don’t like if I don’t have to. At least she is basically chill and don’t cry about things like that such as the camp u raid with her, the twins and Kevin since she understand it. I don’t outright kill everyone so technically not a psycho since I mostly left any other killable live. Jude was understandable protecting his friends.
You are missing point .My point I try to tell you is your friend,Jaime can kill you in future If you don’t keep eyes on him closely . It’s just not about drama between friendship in group.It’s about how potential Jaime will become traitor in future and try to tell you Why Democracy doesn’t work in apocalypse in my point view
P.S I’m not psycopath killer in game,so I have almost 20 original member from start in group.So I don’t care Jaime .
P.S.2 I will move on this topic because I explain my pointview about it all
To each their own. I kept both Gina and Woody, and have pretty much everything built by the end of part 3. Plus, since Woody knows the Southern Utes, who you meet in part 4, my guess is I’m going to have benefits there too. I was able to get everything I wanted from the Graves family, without resorting to robbing a family with little kids, and I have useful allies because of it, and an ultrasound machine. Seriously, I had all my group could carry just from looting the areas of the train depot not inhabited. Like Zaya, I’m dropping this, as it’s high jacking the thread, which is really intended to promote part 4. Cheers
Zaya, I completely understand what you’re saying. You’re of the opinion that Jaime is going to betray the group, based on something that happened with a different character, in a different story. You only value combat ready survivors, and anyone who questions you, needs to die. It’s not complex at all. It’s standard Putin style authoritarianism. The problem is, how do you survive long term. Once you’ve murdered or robbed or driven off every other group?
Some say Jamie will betray us, given his likely issue with him not getting elected, inspite of the fact that we can run the group far better than him, get things built, and can take a listen to opinions and go from there kinda route. Not to mention the whole him going aggro on Sean, who sure asks for it given he is a loud mouth a-hole but still. The end of the world is changing him, he’s not so jovial than he used to be. Then again, the hypocrisy of him allowing Allison and August in, only to then turn around and be against taking in a little girl? Come one bro… Sure those three were part of the Thornes and such, but we can take matters into our own hands. Sometimes taking risks can be entirely disproven for the better.
Then theres talk of how Rachel was “manipulative” and will “betray us”… I mean come on guys and gals… I mean, if you do a shit job, get people hurt or dead, or go murder hobo on your crew, it would be natural for that to happen. That said, I never saw her as “manipulative”, other than with a Teen Romance (even then the only way to save THAT is to keep her as a second romance), and even then it was more tease and play things aloof than actual manipulation. And so what if she had information or assets she withheld from us? Take in mind we have only known her and the group for less than a week. Is everyone going to spill all their secrets and such for the better for the group? Unlikely. Sometimes holding onto the bit of information for later can be useful down to road, specially to earn favor.
For me, I was never really a “fan” of Jamie to begin with. So if he does go half cocked and snaps on us thanks to the stresses of the world, or him not liking us getting reelected again, even when we’ve done a excellent job of the Junkyard and group, then he can go blank himself. I’m find with him being a friend and such but the guy needs to lay off the worry, go less on the aggro, and listen to the Alpha in the group, even if they are a Teen Leader.
In terms of 2nd in commands, normally I would go Gina, but her way of things does irk some people. So I generally go with Kelly as 2nd. Sure, she screwed up with the Thorns early but I’m one for second chances, and her being 2nd actually does a solid job for the groups morale and loyalty.
