Zombie Exodus: Safe Haven, Part 4 Public Beta - updated 5/3/2025, 850,000+ words

he said that junkyard have been bought by his grandfather for two year before leather jack appeared (If I understand correctly) .maybe Original Leather Jack is Kevin’s grandfather or It’s possible all family member is Leather Jack. (Kevin have some aggressive part when met MC group in first time .I don’t think It’s only because Kevin think we will take adventage of Eli.It must be some deep reason,It’s make him react like this ) (Well…I think If someone in your family is psycopath serial murder ,it is (hight?) possible that your member family have something like criminal mentality,which runs in family Blood)

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Kevin’s aggression in the start has more to do with us coming in taking over then anything else. Oh I missed that part maybe the grandfather was yeah

You have to get evident in Eli house before speak with Eli and Kevin .Eli will tell you about Junkyard’s information

Maybe Eli didn’t have dementia and he was fooling us all to keep his disguise as Leather Jack under radar.:eyes::eyes:

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He let zombie eat us instead skin us alive :joy::joy:

How I can meet and interact with sifir? I met only joe and Jude the groceries snipers?

We meet sifir in part 1 if we explore the boarded house. She later comes back to help us in the battle of the hill , gets bit during the fight and leaves after giving us the key to a chest that contained her gear (LAR and Kukri Knife)

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@JimD Could I ask you about all survivor’s age in group?

Q.2 What different group’s reaction between ruthless and Altruistic ?
Q.3 Re-election is unavoid event ,right ? I mean It will happen with every route (Rachel ,Jaime ,MC as leader) (Well…I quite worry about it because I want be leader haha )

P.S actually I want group punish for Jaime because he try to start underwave conflict in group. or someone try to undermind our authority if you can give it haha

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I can answer #3 for sure. Yes, election is unavoidable, but if you won the first election, and have done even a remotely decent job, your reelection is pretty much a given.

As for question 1, I can give some answers, and at least narrow down the ages of the rest… Brody and Madison are 17, I’m sure of this one, Brody confirms during the railroad depot run.
Tommy is 19, I’m pretty sure of this one, he’s a second year college student, according to dialog with him.
Jillian is in her early twenties, per character description.
Bailey is also a college student, a 3rd year, making her 20-21.
Billie is a recent college graduate, per rural MC interactions. That makes her 22-23.
Kevin dropped out of school during his junior year, and I believe he said that was 2 years ago, making him 19-20
The nephew is 9. His age is given in part 1
From here the ages get less specific.
Lopez is a PFC in the National Guard, he could be just about any age, but he refers to an Army party when “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” became Army policy, that was in 1994, which means he’s been in the military for 18 years, so he’s at least 36.
Reilly is described as being in his 30s, but since he’s done time for bank robbery (he’s definitely done prison time, but not sure for what), and his mother was at least 75, my guess is he’s early 40s.
Gina is described as being in her mid 30s. Best I can do there.
Parker was a museum curator, most likely somewhere between 40-50
Fred is described as being in his 50s
Sean is described as being in his 30s
Jaime and Woody’s ages depend largely on MC route. Jaime is MC’s best friend, and if MC is teenager, Jaime states that he was a senior MC’s freshman year, making him 3-4 years older. Other routes he’s heavily implied to be the same age as MC. Woody states he and Jaime grew up together making him approximately same age, though as a doctor of anthropology, working on a thesis for 2 years makes him at least 28.
Dante is I believed described as being pretty young, but not entirely sure.
Rachel was some kind of covert ops badass, so she’s at least 30.
That’s as close as I can get you. Hope it helps

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When DADT was repealed, if that’s the one you’re describing. That sets it to 2010 which is 2 years prior to game start. I think he’s on the younger side (early 20s). While he could be 36 it’s unlikely.

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That actually makes a lot more sense. I was having some trouble picturing a 36 year old PFC.

and Could you answer Q.2 What different is group’s reaction between ruthless and Altruistic ? I see this group stat I don’t know how different between both stat ?

I hate Jaime for that hahah.but I am thinking we can use advantage from situation argument between Jaime and sean.because Jaime hurt Sean .It damage his reputation as Candidate.(he is well known as good people It’s easy to turn his good reputation to notorious) I think No One want violence people or someone who hurt your teammate as leader,both Sean and Jaime.

@JimD before re election,will All Survivor in group acknowledge Jaime action in conflict between him and Sean? (I mean In case he hurt Sean badly and become violence)

I can’t answer #2, because my playthroughs I tend towards the middle of ruthless/altruistic, and honestly haven’t been specifically checking for differences. I’ll try to do another playthrough of part 1-3 soon, and try to get back to you.

I’m on the fence about the election, Jaime makes a fair point that many group members (8 by my count) weren’t there for the initial election on the hilltop, and they do have a right to help choose the leader, and honestly, my MC will probably win with unanimous support. I would like to have the option to say: “Jaime, we can’t keep constantly having elections, and this is the last one for at least a year. I make my decisions for the group based solely on the risk/benefit to the group, not on peoples feelings, and I always take the biggest risks myself. I don’t need the added stress of having to constantly having my leadership questioned, and bottom line, stability is what the group needs, from the top down. The election is over, brother. Now fall in line, or this is the end of the road for us. Can you just trust me brother?” If he can’t, it’s a patch right next to Driver for old Jaime.

Sean is trouble. In my beta playthrough I stopped Jaime from kicking his ass, but Sean was asking for it. On top of that attacking Jaime hand to hand would be fucking idiotic, especially for an average at best sized Sean. I’ll probably make the same decision in my playthrough when it comes out, but I’m going to think on it. Sean also caused trouble with RMBC, who are my staunch allies, so we’re out the parts to fix and return the trike. So I’m eying plots to bury Sean too.

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Can you stop doing this, Please? Not even Koreans can tell if someone’s Korean just by looking at them. Unless they’re decked out in hanbok or smth just say East Asian. Whenever I see this type of description in IFs it creeps me out.

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This is true. You can actually reject having a new election fairly easily. I don’t want to force the MC into a very long path unless they want a new leader or want to experience an election.

Parker is in his late 20s. Even with a Masters degree, you can be a curator at a fairly low level in a museum in a rural area.

Even though I wrote this game, I honestly don’t remember where I wrote this. Do you remember?

Everything else you mentioned is fairly spot on.

The MC can mention it to Jaime but others do not. I should probably that, since it is definitely relevant.

If your group is ruthless, they act in an aggressive and almost selfish way. If they act altruistic, they want to help other groups. Internally, if your group is ruthless, it strengthens those who believe in that style. These are people like Sean, Reilly and Madison. If your group is altruistic, people like Parker and Jaime (maybe early Jaimie), Billie, and Brody would feel better about the style of leadership.

It’s a fair point. I can make that change.

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When you interact with Lopez on the hilltop. You can ask about any stories he has from the army, or something to that effect. Snowflower pointed out that he might have actually been referring to the repeal of DADT in 2010, making him in his early to mid 20s. A PFC in his 30s is pretty rare, as if you have 18 years experience, generally (pun-believable) you’re promoted up the NCO ranks,

@JimD I understand we can reject re-election,right ? (Well…Please Forgive me ,English is not my native language.sometime I lack understand true meaning in sentence. Thank you very much for answering my question ^^ ) Base on I play DEMO a little ,the story look like have auto re-election ,even Demo MC Leader say don’t want new re-election . but Jaime and Sean want re-election .and Re-election will happen soon I don’t see the way how to stop this re- election

@Geralt Thank you very much :smile: and Thank you for your previous answer :smile:

@Geralt Amm In my point view ,I think Jaime is problem more than Sean. If you are leader ,Jaime try to undermine our authority or our second command .It proves he lack loyal to his leader. he always upset if we don’t get his suggestion (I think that Jaime’s suggession (his mostly suggestion depend on thing which he want to make group to be (rainbow and unicorn thing ) ,It not depend on how make group survival )is very bad.and make our group is losser and put us in very low and weak position in food- chain cycle in apocalypse world while Mostly Sean/Rachel’s suggestion make our group strong and become as Alpha in apocalypse world and put us in hight and strong position in food-chain cycle.). Sean speak true about Jaime that he is terrible leader. he will bring group to destruction if he keeping try to wanna be leader.Jaime lack reality for handling bad people like Silverthrone or Forest Rat (He always decide to avoid bad people more than deal with them, even he always know bad people will go after him.(He is very coward and can’t accept his own mistake .It make him worse more than Sean.He is Tom V.02)And It will bring group to destruction in long-term .

Sean is Bad -mouth and cynical people but he accept our authority.He try to keep Jaime in line. I think he keeping try to provoke Jaime in subtel way because he want Jaime let some deep truth about his trueself and wanting be leader insteal MC or Rachel. Sean is ads manager so He know how person who wanna be leader or lack loyal to their own leader will react If they are pressured heavily .

Me too since I finish a little DeMo I see that Sean want re-election .I want kill him WTF. I wonder why he want re-election .

P.S I want banish Jaime, Kelly and Billie (vey annoying and useless) from group. I hate this trio suggession hahah

P.S.Overrall our group full of toxic people.Maybe have choice leaving this group behind

So this made me want to go back and play the first one since I liked that one better.

Even though I bought it many years ago, since it became “free” I have to pay another 5 dollars to turn off advertisements?

What the hell?!

Jaime literally has your back from day one wtf

ฺBut he will shot our back one day or We maybe kill him someday If we do nothing . Tension will run high in group.The best way is drive him off group and let him go his owm way .

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