Yes, I know Lopez is mainly gay but still is creepy for me anyway a very realistic character.
And about Haker, I have a teen called Average Joe that is a hacker and is very funny the mission and use technology and homemade bombs to play is a great playthrough
@Bahamuht, thanks, I figured it out finally. My teen MC wasnāt going to the Makarovs to get the option to invite her to stay because sheās hot. That overrides the teen block on setting her as RO, which only applies if youāve never indicated interest in Kelly. She doesnāt have the teen blocks in Part 1 that Woody and Lopez do.
As for hacker, thatās one of my favorite angles to play. Itās definitely one of the more intriguing extra storylines.
@poison_mara Lopez has a lot more convo options that arenāt about sex. Personally, if I was worried about a sex addict in the camp, itād be Jillian. Not so much an addict, but she is definitely willing to get by on sleeping with the MC regardless of age.
None of Lopez commentary seems sex addict. Heās a flirt, and he takes no for an answer. Him being willing to find comfort in flirtation or sex is no different than Jillian doing it for security, Gina to avoid grief, Rachel avoids sex because she doesnāt feel safe yet, etc. He likes adult mags, but so do Gina and Nora.
@Zen1 If you take the trip to the farmhouse and you either donāt have a set RO or your RO is Jillian, you can flirt with Gina during the drive over. But no option for her to be an RO yet. (As a teen MC)
I havenāt Jill either lol. My group is far far far smaller than 90% of people have. I playtesting with more so I know how they are. However, my character wonāt find safe to have a soldier in a group that could take the power for himself in any second and Do Keithās turn.
Then I am Spanish and my family suffered from the military dictatorship. We donāt see the military as friends and defenders as most people from Democratic countries we remember all the shit they do to common people here. In Spain during dictator years the number of rape women by soldiers were catastrophic. Almost none was punished. Then several modern group rapes that were judged this month have military people in them.
Edit I am not saying military people is bad. It is that we were taught to be wary about them due to dictatorships and all in Latino Americaā¦
Since this is a game I do try to get as many characters as possible since theyāll probably never be seen again but I do plan on a playthrough where itās exactly how Iād do things. @poison_mara While not as deep, over here in the west the military and the police(to higher extent) arenāt always held to a high degree and itās probably due to the ingrained idealog that the government should work for the people not the other way around.
Would it help to see the viewpoint of the culture Lopez is from?
My experience is certainly a different one. My spouse served in the military, both our fathers did and his uncles did, several cousins, my niece is set to go to boot camp the week after high school graduation next year, and my daughter has already met with the JROTC instructor in our school district about if she can start a year early in 8th instead of 9th grade. So kinda my comfort zone.
Lopez is National Guard, and while he mentions having been on active duty a while, many Guardsmen are closer to law enforcement than military. While there are full time active duty soldiers in the Guard, most are part timers. They train a weekend a month and a couple weeks in summer, in exchange for a pay stipend and military benefits like healthcare. In case of natural disasters, theyāre the troops called up to rescue people and prevent looting. They can be called to serve in war zones if troop numbers are needed (my best friend served two tours in Iraq), but thereās a limit for the most part on how many months they can be called to serve. They are also a state type of military unit, not national.
As a PFC (otherwise known as E3 rank), Lopez has also most likely been in the Guard for less than three years, so would not yet be considered career military. Heād be on his first enlistment (typical is 4 years), unless heās a complete screwup, because promotion to E4 (Corporal or Specialist) is an automatic promotion after 24 months unless you have disciplinary issues.
A lot of impoverished kids enlist because it gives them career training (my cousin got his HVAC qualifications and spouse got a CDL) and money for college once they complete their enlistment. Thereās an imbalance of poor and lower middle class Americans in the enlisted ranks.
My daughterās middle school band director is still in the Guard. The kids adore him to the point the other teachers complain about why he is so much more popular despite being one of the strictest teachers. Even the non-band kids love him.
As I said I understand Americans have a very powerful and positive military and guard national . We donāt we come from 40 years of a military dictatorship were a mikitary could freely abuse of any woman nearby and the abuse of our military during Francisco Franco is notorious . Then I lost family in Argentina dictatorship abd now people fleeing Venezuela.
So see a military talking about sex first reaction is RUN .
It is very interesting how politial power and culture works.
No worries. I just wants to give you some background that might allow you to view him more like I do⦠to me, heās a bit of a quirky puppy, but probably because Iāve been around so many young military members over the years.
Our backgrounds do color how we view the characters⦠I struggle not to see Jillian as a creepy pervert because someone just like her targeted my teenage son and it took years to sort his life back out. She was the worldās worst con artist, but he didnāt have the life experience to see through her crap.
Yeah, I understand that I see her as creepy too as if you have a nephew she has in the house some behavior I wonāt consider myself appropriate so no character mine with a kid has Jillian.
this discussion shows how multidimensional and realistic are and all well written so we could see on the different things and readings
I almost forgot the hacker playthrough ļ¼its probably somewhere rusting and getting bored among all my other savesš ļ¼So, how do you know Jullianne is interested in you. Because, when I had played the hacker, me and her had been a thing in past and when we find Decker, we get to chat with her again. I tried to flirt with her, and she said āWe tried it once, but, it didnāt really work out.ā or something along the lines. Then I recently played the bank robber with high Electronics stat, and found Decker and Julliane again. I tried to flirt with her and she seemed to not take the hint, I guess. How do you know that she is interested tooļ¼if at allļ¼because, there is also that thing with Jason afterallļ¼
One other thing: @poison_mara ā Driver and Lopez are not the same in leadership qualities, and they do not react the same way in the exact same situations nor for the same motivations.
I think by claiming this you lessen both characters and their uniqueness.
I agree with you. I just trying to portray that the fact that Lopez uses the Jeep doesnāt make him a leader. However I agree that him could be a leader and direct small scavenger hunts or do stuff requires tactical knowledge and skills with leadership. Thing Driver would neve have.
But Control a submachine gun could do have the same level of proficiency
I think Iāve read somewhere a while back that even if weāll get to romance Julianne itāll be more like online dating(?), so Iād assume that we wonāt meet her in person.
Anyway if all our interactions will be through a laptops camera or whatever then I guess Iām perfectly fine with passing up on her as an RO.
@essay715 thank for the directions will definitely do that. @Bahamuht i think the hacker have good additional content but not really something that make me say interesting since technically even if we are not hacker and playing as other background we can still ser up the server as long we have enough hacking skill and hack the military website. Im more interested on scientist and soldier background playthrough because they have very close ties with the event. @poison_mara itās understandable about your view of military and belief me i also understand that because i live in asia and my country also under long military regime, my country have complicated relationships with military. In one hand we suffered under them in so long on other hand we look them as source of order.
By the way im an Indonesian so sorry if my English is broken hehe
Yeah when was young I didnāt like pepole in the military because my stepfather apart of the Brazil army. He abused me,my brother and sister. I also did not like that I would be conscripted into the Brazil military when I got older. That all changed when my mom send me to America. I was not bron in Brazil. My dad was in the navy as corpsman(marine medic). He is the nicest man I know and he would do anything for me and my siblings. Also most of my dad side severd in the military and they all treat me nice. Eventually me and my brother joined the military. I will say this there is alot dirt bags in the military but that is every job tho.
I think she maybe later on because I think you get to pick her as a option when the game ask are you interested in anybody.
My father was a soldier, so I experienced everything a bit different^^ Here in Germany soldiers are most regulated and when we see them it is mostly always to help when there are problems, with floods or something like that. So here we view soldiers more positive. When our soldiers are at the front, they hardly fight, they help the citizens and provide health care or logistics, so they are seen more friendly here. It is so interesting how things differ in the different countries.
For me itās the cops who make me more uncomfortable IRL. Reading the news I too often just see them as a tool for politicans to hide behind whenever they come up with some new bs change for the laws and people would dare to raise their voice. I see or hear about the military so seldom thatās itās kinda easy to forget that they even exist here. (Tho I think I should also add that I check the news so rarely, trying to avoid to get annoyed over stuff I canāt change, that probably there are many things I just miss.)
Guess when I play my cop MC in this game I try to play her in the way I imagine a police officer should behave⦠Which maybe isnāt that hard in a post-apocalyptic world where governments kinda lost their control over the everyday life of people?
Now if we would meet a character who was a politican before the outbreak that character would instantly become my āpunching bagā.
In terms of people I disliked initially because of personal preferences, Jillian and Reilly are what come to mind first. For the former, I just have a natural disdain for people who are excessively provocative or regularly indulge in stuff like alcohol, drugs and sex. Itās less because of the actual actions themselves-itās your body, you do what you want with it-and more because the people who have those kind of lifestyles tend to be absolute nonces. Shallow, self-centered, surface-level personalities, irresponsible, you name it. Hell, I met someone like that on this very forum, and she ended up being an egocentric, ungrateful asshole who only cared about herself.
As for Reilly, itās more obvious. Rash, violent, stupid, short temper, big ego. The guy just has traits that are naturally unliked by most.
Granted, over time I stopped hating them as much. This doesnāt mean I began adoring them, per se; I just accepted the fact that those were their flaws and that Iāve yet to see the positive side in them.
I see your point about Jillian. Tho I didnāt see it anywhere implied that she takes any drugs worse than cigarettes and about alcohol Reilly and Nora seem more addicted to the stuff. Anyway it makes me uncomfortable too how easily she takes sex. Should we worry about what illnesses she might carry?
Also kinda reminds me of a woman I knew IRL whom I would meet while her boyfriend was there too (I was friends with the guy), but everytime sheād make the move on me and also convincing me to drink more until I wasnāt able to make the smartest choices (not saying that isnāt my fault too, but you see my point I hope).
And Jillian was dating a guy old enough that she could lie about him being her grandfather (I try to keep on open mind about age gaps in relationships, but thatās a bit too much for me), and the next they sheād make the move even on a teenager MC, wtf Jillian?
About Rielly Iām fine with him. I accept his short tamper and impulsivness as personality flaws. After all everyone has flaws some people are too lazy, too selfish, too easily angered, too naive etc⦠Also the way he interacts with Nora and bank robber MC shows that when Reilly actually cares about someone he can be very loyal and just tries his best to watch out for those people.