United We Stand - Political WIP

Maybe there will be more. We can certainly try to make suggestions to the author if we encounter characters later on who we think might better suit our mc.
I agree that my mc sees Franz more as a buddy or even a young protege than a potential lover, they are also too similar as they are both from lower class backgrounds and I usually like some contrast with my character in my fictional lovers.
But we’ll see the game is young yet, if I encounter any cute guys who I think my mc would really like, I’ll be sure to speak up and hopefully the author will take it under consideration, that’s all we can ask for really.
Plus with our characters likely being very busy politicians not having romances, affairs or liasons in this particular game wouldn’t be the end of the world.

Ok, I do hope we can become the largest party of that coalition in that case as in the history of my country whenever democratic socialists have coalitioned with the Social Democrats as the junior partner it never ended quite well for them.

Honestly I’m used to coalitions as coalition governments are all this country has had since becoming a constitutional monarchy and my mc, being a relative moderate, probably expects having to coalition with the Social Democrats and maybe even the Liberals and the Anhalt Regionalists if we want to keep democracy and form an anti-authoritarian and anti-fascist front.

This could honestly be an achilles heel of my relatively moderate and fervently commited to democracy mc, but maybe that’s why Wulf and not he is actually the party leader and the probably PM if Solidarity emerges as the largest party in that coalition. Though it seems that if civil war is to be averted she’d better not give the department of justice of defense to my mc, as he can be a bit of a “softie”. :sweat_smile:

Like I said, it’s early days yet and we’ll likely meet some more cute and interesting guys later on. Maybe the dashingly handsome son of a foreign ambassador, or something. :wink:
Or maybe one of our own aristo’s, that would certainly be interesting.

Well personally I like all kinds of cute guys. For my fictional mc’s I most often look for RO’s that are different than they are and complement them. Which is why I recently suggested that cute dandy, Cecil as an RO in “Uncle Irwin’s bookshop as the other one was already too similar to my strength and intelligence combo focused mc there”, so the handsome, charismatic and empathetic poet might suit him better.

Other times when my mc is more the bookish intellectual he looks for more physically oriented lovers instead.

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Oh I’m not saying its a big deal. Its just something I noticed.

Personaly I like franz attitude but I’m really not attracted to the average big buff guy archetype used for most gay characters in most COG. Kinda why Breeze is my favorite non female RO in interactive fiction. Might sound weird from a queer guy but masculinity bother me very much.

So far I was really attracted to Wulf charisma but she is lesbian so thats to be forgotten. Though I wonder why she wasnt bi considering franz is. I get representation but it feel like a strange decision to have one bi/pan character but only one gay. Not that I complain, again I just find it weird. Alex is definitly one of my favorite author so I’m definitly not critisizing.

I didnt really find other interesting character on the left path yet though so I dont really have any suggestions yet.

Considering my own MC is an aristocrat it would definitly be fitting for a homosexual couple of aristocrats to join solidarity. I’m not sure how much I want to date another aristocrat though. I feel like the romances here are mostly high class. Didnt give much attention to the right wing romances except that I know that the prince is a RO but the leftist romance already seem to be pretty high on the social ladder. If not high society then she is definitely on the richer part of the middle class.

My ideal RO in the current setting would probably someone covertly fighting for the cause like a saboteur or a spy! That would be really cool.

My MC would want to be crowned Empress with a restoration of the Holy Roman Empire :wink: lol.

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Firstly, please don’t worry about being critical, it’s genuinely interesting and useful to hear what you all think. There’s not any deliberate thinking behind it, just that I thought I’d make Franz bi and Wulf lesbian. I think the motivation was to avoid the whole everyone’s bi trope in this format, instead making the characters’ sexuality something that is fixed and part of them. There’s a whole other debate to be had about this and other approaches to this aspect.

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For my mc, who likely has never been out of the country, due to coming up from the working poor a cute foreigner in particular would likely be most alluring.

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Personaly I will be content with the end result no matter what because ultimately I am more interested in the political side of the game.

I understand your reasons for this choice though. If I may add though, maybe making franz gay could counter that and a third bi character could be introduced OR he stay bi and a male gay character is added. Heck, the new bi character could even be transgender or androginous! I would completely understand if that would be too much stuff for nothing though.

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@AlexClifford1994

Another thing about the von aside from the fact that it shouldn’t be capitalized (and other non-nouns in a name like zu, von und zu, von der, amongst others) is that it shouldn’t be used if you are referring to a person only by surname so von Harzberg would just be Harzberg (you would use the von if you are also using the first name). The von also doesn’t count as a v if you are sorting surnames alphabetically.

There’s a lot of media that gets this wrong, so I don’t really blame you for making the mistake.

I alway thought Von meant from like de for a lot of french families (De bourgogne, d’armagnac, de boisredon) where de is in the family name.

True the current government should be properly referred to as the Harzberg government, not the von Harzberg government.

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@cyanide

It does since it means of or from, and de also means the former. The naming conventions and when you should mention it may be a bit different in Germany than in France. Again, since von, like de, is not a noun but a preposition both shouldn’t be capitalized.

I should mention that I’m not a native a speaker of German so please feel free to correct me if I misunderstand and get things wrong.

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Well I’m a native french speaker but I know nothing about german names so I’m not much better than you there. Maybe the fact that french have latin roots and german is germanic got something to do here too

Well I’ve met enough people in Switzerland with a von in their names and it is never, or at least I’ve never seen it, capitalised. Of course under Dutch custom the von is mentioned even when it shouldn’t be in German, as in Dutch their equivalents like van or van der, are supposed to be mentioned. For example the current mayor of Amsterdam is fully Eberhard van der Laan and properly referring to him by his last name under Dutch custom would indeed be as mayor van der Laan (and the van der Laan city administration), not Laan or mayor Laan.

So maybe Moravia, much like the Netherlands could, diverge culturally and linguistically from the other (proto) Germanic countries here and properly require mentioning of the “von” in aristocratic names, but it would be something unique to that country, much as it currently is to the Netherlands and the Dutch equivalents among the Germanic languages.

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I think giving the country a few unique local things is not a bad idea considering it is taking place in an alternative universe. That could differentiate Moravia from germany, explaining the anti-german sentiments a bit.

Well, yes and even if it is still mostly the same language the Moravian dialect could and perhaps should have some unique and divergent variations compared to the German spoken in Germany proper, much like real-life Austria and Switzerland have and always mentioning the aristocratic “von” in people’s last names, even when the other German speaking countries do not, could certainly be one of them, even though it may be a little jarring to people like Herrington or some our German forum members.

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Well maybe something new or non related to grammar then? Does older german nobility used other terms or such? Maybe old customs that were abandoned in germany could still be used localy?

Could be but that is properly up to the author, but since the divergent “von” usage in people’s last names is already in the game as it is I suggest turning it into a Moravian cultural and linguistic feature, rather than a “bug”.
It is not even unprecedented among Germanic languages as Dutch does this too.
Fun fact some people here even do capitalize the “Van Der” in their names, though it usually serves to mark one as a pretentious git around here as we do follow German custom in that regard and it is not proper to capitalise “van der” in last names.

Edit @AlexClifford1994 I hope you don’t mind but I’ve updated the title a bit with the new link information as it was getting annoying to find now that it is a couple of posts up already.

Maybe ask one of the moderators the change the first post to wiki format so you can put the updated link there?
@Havenstone @FairyGodfeather @jasonstevanhill @Cecilia_Rosewood

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Updated the link for you with the new one.

I left the previous one in since some people like seeing the number of clicks they previously had but struck it through

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The new link doesn’t work though. It’s because of that /200 after mygame.

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Thanks for the heads up.

United We Stand: Divided We Fall on steroids.

(Please, please, pleaseeee make this a thing @AlexClifford1994 , I need to get back at the fascist scum :smile::heart:)

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