I vaguely remember an option like that in M’s B2 sex scene. Strange N doesn’t get one.
Too long...
MC is required to be a doormat. And an UwU Pollyanna. 
Okay, so you asked...
Total words, including code: 60031
Words related to:
“Stutter”: 9
“Flutter”: 3
“Shiver”: 21
"Tingl*: 11
From my Mason run:
Total words: 6183
“Stutter”: 1
“Flutter”: 0!!
“Shiver”: 0!!!
Tingl*: 1
Clearly, M’s route is the best… we’re still stuck with the Pollyanna bullshit view of the world, but at least we aren’t having seizures every five seconds.
According to Sera, M doesn’t do PDA. Ever. Plus, we aren’t in a relationship, are nowhere near having an actual decided upon relationship, and this shit has to be dragged out through the entirety of b4 and probably b5, to boot.
You and me both. Every time I see “smiling brightly”, it makes me want to burn things. My MC is stoic, and kinda grumpy most times. Mason makes her less grumpy when he’s not being a dick, but she’s still not a freaking Pollyanna (like 31% optimistic) and never will be. Plus, she’s mega-intimidating (13% charming), so the constant smiling would not happen.
Same here. I’d rather see Bobby or Douglas. Or, you know, some uninterrupted scenes with the LI, for a damned change.
I fucking hate this bitch. I hated her in b3 when she stuck her nose into M and my MC’s business and couldn’t keep her mouth shut, and I hate her even more after the scene with A.
Yeah, the text tries to guilt you for hating Rebecca, and that just makes me hate her more. It goes double for the “friends”. I wish we could just opt the hell out of interactions with them.
What killed me about that scene was the fact that, had M said it in a different way–smirking at the MC and saying it as a “fuck off” to Haley (with the hint that they’d fuck on the table if Haley didn’t take her happy ass away from them), it would’ve been fun for my MC. She’d have gone right along with it. Instead, M is written as intentionally hateful to the MC to make angst. 
You are not.
This would be perfect. Instead, you have to discuss what they call you–with A still refusing to use your name–while you beam and dote on them with their name. Fuck that. I wouldn’t utter his stupid first name if someone paid me, at this point. He’d be Commanding Agent and would get nothing but ice from me.
She uses over-the-top physical reactions (shivering, fluttering, stuttering, heart stopping, etc.) to try to show what the MC is feeling. Unfortunately, it makes the MC look like a nutcase who is in dire need of medical attention. Words like that should be, as you said, used sparingly. Instead, it’s like an avalanche. Nothing ever stands out as being different or actually intense, because everything is always SO IN YOUR FACE THAT YOU SHOULD BE FREAKING OUT!!! Sorry for the yelling, but that’s what it reminds me of–the narrative is yelling at you constantly, so it’s just always supposed to be high drama, but ends up coming off as stupid because there’s never any variation.
Only problem is that, in b3, M wakes up from having slept next to the MC and realizes they had no nightmares. So we already see that the MC’s presence gets rid of the nightmares. But now… it doesn’t??
Lol. Same. And I couldn’t make it through their entire scene, because I find Nate nauseating.
I made a comment about it on patreon and got told that “we’ve already have a lot of intimate scenes with M” and this was to show a different side of them.
I have two words for you: seven books. That is all.
I liked M’s, but when I read the code, if you choose a certain scene and ask M how they see you, they tell you to figure it out yourself. That’s a dumbass comment. If M doesn’t know, they should say so. Or say they can’t put it into words. Not “figure it out” when M is the king/queen of mixed signals (words don’t match actions).
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Don’t forget magically forgetting your previous state of being alright with it, like it was in Xiulan’s case. He never asked anything about love or feelings, they simply share a bed. And one comment is able to magically send him reeling because, oh no, he doesn’t love me! Despite the fact this was never about love for now.
I already see annoying signs in B4 with “I know this is real”. What is real, hm? It’s like saying “based” and expecting no one to ask “based on what?”.
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I really wish I could just say to All of them ESPECIALLY A:
“You wanna play stupid games? That’s fine, but you’re gonna win stupid prizes”
I have way too much pride to let someone say they’ll let me go only to keep giving some crumbs., I have way too much pride to let someone treat me like a child, I have way too much pride to let someone call me a “fucktoy” in public.
If you can’t respect me, you sure as hell ain’t earning no respect from me.
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Oh, I agree. A, in particular, is problematic. It’s grating that the MC is forced into this role of happy chucklefuck with A, where even if you have had enough, you’re fluttering/stuttering/shivering/tingling from being around them instead of giving them the stink eye and telling them to leave you alone when you aren’t on duty. A needs to be slapped down. Hard.
The part that pisses me off the most about this is the comment from Sera that, had the MC actually told M they loved them in b3!14, M would’ve known, so that’s why she had to stop it. It’s like, seriously? We get another entire book or more of M being a complete dumbfuck (“You’ll have to figure it out yourself, sweetheart/handsome” in regards to how M feels??) just to satisfy the requirement of “it can’t happen until the moment I decided on!!”. I’m sorry, but whatever dipshit fucking moment M’s revelation is waiting on isn’t going to be worth it after four or five entire games of M being as dumb as a fucking box of rocks.
Once again, it’s about pacing. Too much foreplay is grating as hell, and gets painful after a while, to the point where you don’t even give a shit about the sex, anymore. And for M and A, we’ve had three books of foreplay. It’s time to get on with it now, not twenty or thirty chapters from now.
But I guess the “you figure it out yourself” takes care of M ever having to state how they feel about you, since you’ll just “know”. Since she decided M isn’t the type to say the words or to make a commitment–everyone just “knows” how the other feels.
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But… But… it doesn’t show a different side to them. It doesn’t show ANY side to them. That’s my complaint! I WANT to see that different side to them! I WANT to see M collapsing on the bed with their head on my lap, lamenting how, I dunno, they somehow are the ones who keep running into fucking banshees that shriek their eardrums off. This is actually (part of) what I want and are not being given!
Like, I want to SEE that conversation, not being told it happened with five words or something.
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Can I ask why every time I look at this discussion it’s people being so negative. Like literally for the last several months it’s people nitpicking every single detail about the book, romances, author, etc. If you all dislike them so much why are still playing them.
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M-mancers don’t get that. We were happy with b3!M, so tactics must be changed. Meanwhile, N-mancers will get the world… in nauseating prose, but they’ll get the world.
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Literally!! She foreshadows EVERY SINGLE (Idk anymore) event in the book, goes out of her way to branch every single part of the story (A lot of times unecessary) she puts so much effort and focuses so much on the overall plot (poorly executed and terribly paced, but well…) but just can’t write the romance as the force that moves the plot.
6 years since B1, half of the routes aren’t romantic, that shit’s dragging, she just doesn’t test the apready formed relationships to make the LIs grow and recognize their flaws cause MC having pride, self respect and a damn backbone is simply FORBIDDEN.
She always interrupts the romantic scenes with some bullshit reasoning, we get crumbs, the sex looks like some anatomy essay cause it’s everything but erotic (Not even smut is so descriptive)
It would make sense to drag this for some long if she made real FRIENDS TO LOVERS… but since she wanna do the love at first sight/Infatuation trope… it just drags.
Atp, I think TWC should not be marked as a romance game, cause cog games that aren’t marketed as such have WAY MORE romance than this.
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Oh man, could you imagine A and M’s routes if we had the versions of them that are written for the bff routes? It would’ve been glorious. And let the M-mancers be actual fuckbuddies… instead of whatever it was before chapter 14 of b3. They could’ve been actual friends who bang, then fall in love. And with A, the whole thing with them supposedly being demi-sexual would’ve made sense.
Plus, with a friends to love route for those two, we wouldn’t have had to endure the stuttering/fluttering/shivering/spastic MC and could’ve had a normal human being we could relate to.
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I mean… that’s a lot of threads on this forum. It’s why I only browse here occasionally and make posts rarely. Your best bet is to just forget about threads like this one if you’re tired of seeing it and go find something that doesn’t hurt your head to read or skim through.
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I was positive. After B3 I am definitely not.
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You’re totally right like:
A having a enemies to friends to lover route… then after B3 MC gets tired of their confusion and A decides to confront their fears at the first half climax of B4! They would be so confused during B3 and the push and pull WOULD MAKE SENSE with all that trauma. Then we would spend the rest of B4,5,6 and 7 helping them get over their trauma and slowly open up to MC (Sex being one of the things)
N could have the love at first sight/Infatuation thing but MC would be able to confront them about their overprotectivness and overall clingy behaviour… and N would recognize the MC’s independence and personal space!!
F would have the simple friends to lovers and their arc would be about F not having romantic experience and not taking anything serious, wich leads to poor communication.
M would have this enemies… to respecting the MC while fucking… glorious shit right there
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@EvilChani
It also makes it very unclear what the MC is talking about. Like the scene you mentioned where M tells the MC to “work it out for yourself.” Look:
Curiosity and hope flare inside my chest, mingling into something that sends a fluttering to cascade through me. “…How do you see me?”
“You’re going to have to work that one out for yourself, sweetheart.”
Sends a fluttering to cascade through me, huh? Is this an error that needs to be reported, or is she implying that they’re experiencing a range of intense emotions? What’s fluttering inside of us? Emotions “cascade” like a waterfall, I guess? These types of descriptions should be avoided because they can mean everything and nothing.
Oh, I failed to remember that. That doesn’t fit with the dialogue, then. The MC shouldn’t indicate that M doesn’t sleep; instead, M should mention how they rarely sleep but feel comfortable and at peace enough to sleep when they’re with the MC. As for the nightmares, could they be part of the upcoming plot? Maybe M’s exposure to the MC decreases their ability to hold the nightmares at bay. We’ll have to determine if this is a recurring issue or dialogue that doesn’t fit with what was told to us in the story previously as the story progresses.
Well, none of them were written as well as this one, which is what I would’ve told them. Also, the game emphasizes intimacy and love for one’s soulmate. Why wouldn’t the author want to write about it again, and why wouldn’t the readers desire it all the time?
To add on to what a few others have said, I would say that what most of us do is give an honest review. It may not always come across that way because people get frustrated when they give reviews and nothing improves, but for the most part, it is constructive criticism. As for why people continue to play the game, well, some are completionists, some might use this as an escape from reality, this is someone’s idea of having fun on their downtime, or in my case, they realize the potential these games have and try to give an honest review on how they can be improved.
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Well… I wouldn’t call it negativity. It’s just people criticizing the writing, pacing, etc… not only for B3… but for the overall series.
Since we don’t have a thread to write our opinions about B4… we use this one.
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For the love of god, can she stop using these words. Again and again. It makes Mc sound like their being zapped or something.
Cascade. Tingle. Shiver.
gAH.
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I mean, I agree, but that was hilarious.
Also, for me…
I hate wasted potential, and there is so much of it in this series that we could drown in it.
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Tbh, I can only speak for myself not others, I wrote something honest about my thoughts on the book 4 demo. I try to be a semi-positive person (look at the infamous thread I’m always stopping fights there lmao) but a lot of things niggled me about the demo and I wanted to voice them.
If say there was a constructive critical thread about TWC I would be all over it. However mishka does not like any sort of criticism as it seemingly triggers her so any thread like that would just get took down.
I wanted to say something positive, I did. But every route I tried was disappointing.
A- in having to be nice to them after they rejected mc
M- in having to make do with another sunset scene and brush of a hand
N- with the over the top wannabe bridgerton “must have you now all the time” romps
And F- …well no disrespect to their romancers but for me they remind me of an over excitable puppy that occasionally barks out bad jokes
Also I still play bc I love romance IFs and stories. Plus I remember the excitement I had when reading book 1 bc it was actually really good!
I guess I’m just hoping for book 4 to be that level of good again…but I’m not sure it will be. Either way I’ll stay to see.
TLDR: disappointed in book 4 demo. N is over-favoured by author. stay for the nostalgia lol
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I just finished the B4 demo and I have to say I’m somewhat annoyed about how A has been portrayed so far after the ending of B3.
Even the angry option that I picked was utterly useless. It’s like Sera is just railroading me and saying “forget that it happened cause it never did.” If that was real life, I would do everything humanly possible to avoid A outside of work considering she didn’t really care how the Det… oops, Agent was feeling at the time.
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All of us are giving our honest opinions on the game. Although the author probably isn’t going to read these reviews.
If I’m being honest, I don’t hate the series. It just irritates me the wasted potential of the whole series.
I really enjoyed Book 1 as well as Book 2 (I would say it’s my favourite), however, Book 3 let us down. The whole plot, the villain or the characters’ development were so meh.
I’ve already said this but I really loathe the MC’s reactions. I mean, you don’t have to describe EVERY SINGLE detail or overreacting everything.
On the other hand, I understand that writing and coding an IF game is very difficult. You can’t please everyone or set options for every aspect or outcome imagined by the reader.
However, the author can’t railroad us into their desired outcome either. I mean, that’s not the point of these games.
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