This really is a good âget to know your charactersâ question because Iâve never considered it before (though Iâm not sure Ellie would be the type to ever give a TED Talk even on issues she is confident/passionate about ).
If Ellie was ever swayed to give a TED Talk, it would either be on the importance of supporting each other through thick and thin as Wayhavenâs close-knit community and togetherness have inspired her and helped shape her into the person she is, or it would be on the performing arts being an integral part of a schoolâs curriculum.
Violetâs talk would most likely be about de-escalation and how to talk people down in dangerous situations to try and ensure safety for everyone. She would definitely attend the one about deduction, and would absolutely donate whatever little expendable money she has to help keep arts programs in school.
As we are all eagerly awaiting the release of book 3, I figured I would throw out my own theory in regards to the M backstory. Out of all the love interests M is the most mysterious of the companions. This mysteriousness is mostly due in part to M not having any memory of there past. Nor, do they know how they lost there memory either. This is crucial for the next stuff.
What if I told you this was more than likely the agencyâs doing, and was also mostly probably done for a good cause.
Its of my belief that M was at one point in their lives a rogue supernatural. Now your probably thinking that this is fairly outlandish. But donât worry, their is definitely some evidence to support this.
In book 2, while going to the carnival with M in their romance you will first get a glimpse of their backstory. they are shackled and bloodied, most likely tortured. Now what organization do we know of that has a penchant for torturing there prisoners?
A and Rebeccaâs reaction to telling them about the encounter at the carnival is also very telling. After M tells them that they still cant remember. A and Rebecca both sigh in relief. Now why would that be? Why would one of Mâs closest friends be relieved at their friend not being able to recover there memory. Its simple really.
The agency wiped Mâs memory. This also implies that A and Rebecca are the only ones in unit bravo that probably know of Mâs true origin.
So now your probably asking. âwell, how do you know the agency has access to memory wiping equipment.â Well the anwser to that is actually quite easy. We just assume that they do. How else do they make sure humans forget about the existence of the supernatural without having some kind of access to memory wiping technology or abilities. In fact we end up learning that Agent Chana had something to do with blocking Mâs memories, very interestingâŚ
Now on to the more important questions. Why would the agency bother trying to recruit M into unit bravo considering how dangerous they are? Well the agency from what we know so far are very practical. I donât thinks its out of the question that they would recruit rogue supernaturals. M is also fairly powerful for a supernatural and are the second strongest of unit bravo. This isnât even accounting for there pheromone ability which makes them useful as a interrogator.
Finally, to finish things up. lets look at the personality of M. Especially in regards to their reactions to humans. M is very apathetic to humans, even more so than the other team members of unit bravo. There often the first to always suggest violence in most situations and they have the quickest temper. The only enjoyment they get in interactions with humans is through sex. This is however being slowly subverted with there relationship in regards to the detective. They also have a grudging respect towards Rebecca, but whether or not this is due to the memory wipe and implanted memories remains to be seen.
Iâm interested in seeing what you guys think.
I also posted this to reddit at some point, But it didnât really draw up that much discussion so I decided to post it here. Sorry if this theory has already been posted tho. But M is my favorite romance option, so I couldnât help myself lol
Eh, Iâm not seeing it. If it had been the Agency that tortured on M, then the M romance has no believable route that isnât âbreak off with the Agency and go rogueâ, and the rogue supernaturals are all terrible people. Iâm more inclined to think that it was the same âorganisationâ that not-Murphy belongs to.
Iâm still convinced that not-Murphy is going to end up being, like, Cain or someone along those lines.
EDIT: Also, note that the âtortureâ (which Iâm like 86.37% sure is actually experimentation) happens when M was still a human.
I always thought that agency took his memories, or that they knew him before his memories were wiped. But I donât buy him being rouge, or at least not them torturing him before the mind wipe.
I donât think he would have been a rouge. He has a penchant violence when he thinks someoneâs âguiltyâ, or at least not innocent, but I just donât think heâd hurt innocent people for his own gain.
But letâs say he was, why would the agency torture him first? That wastes time and money on a future agent who wonât remember the âpunishmentâ
I personally think that he was tortured in his human life, was saved by a vampire, joined the agency but was super traumatized, and mind wipe
Isnât it stated that M wakes up memory-less and then is found by the Agency?
My full hypothesis: someone like not-Murphy (though probably not-Murphy, otherwise itâs odd that he didnât comment on it during the parking lot fight) decided to get creative with humans and experimented on M to try to create a super-duper vampire. This explains why M is the Bravos powerhouse (super pheromones, super senses, physical powerhouse), even though theyâre the second-youngest AND why their pheromones have a non-standard effect on the Detective (everyone elseâs pheromones just fizzle, Mâs give headaches).
Since this is obviously EXTREMELY VERY TRAUMATIC, Mâs brain shut that part off to preserve their sanity. The Agency was investigating the area already (on account of, yâknow, all the test subject collecting the experimenting vampire was doing) and they ran into memory-less M.
During the Book 1 not-Murphy POV scene leading to the patrol scene, not-Murphy mentions that thereâs a bunch of supernaturals like him that heâs in contact with and want to bring down the Agency. Thatâs why I put âorganisationâ in quotes - itâs probably not an hierarchised thing like the Agency (though the Book 2 revelation that the rogues have an actual official leader might suggest it actually is), but thereâs definitely a network of some kind at play there.
Personally, I really enjoy this theory for the sole fact that, while it immediately wants to make you hate the agency, objectively you canât for the reasons listed above. Or a better statement would be, if you do, you have to already hate them because they are already currently doing things like it, and we were shown that first-hand. Knowing one of the victims personally, and even being in love with them, only makes their crimes outrageously egregious in our minds now, but in actuality it doesnât lessen the severity of what they are still doing.
I think itâs absolutely plausible that M has had memories implanted in them to make them think the agency is the one who saved them, and that theyâre still a part of an experiment to see when those effects wear off so they can know an expected point in time of when they would need to expect to do it again. Almost as if itâs some sort of memory remission. This could also come to the plot point of why A said to not get involved with the MC, because they know eventually M is just going to have to have those memories replaced again, not remembering a single thing theyâve done together, and I think A wouldnât be wring to feel guilty about that.
This opens up another plot line of when Mâs memories do finally return: if they realize what they were doing before was bad and that the agency âdid what they had to doâ and forgives them for it because they in turn got an entire new unlife from it, will the MC forgive them? Or maybe M will keep the fact that theyâre memories come back a secret, a secret that they only divulge to the MC and we have to decide whether to:
A. Tell Rebecca and the agency
B. Keep it a secret and keep working with the agency
C. Keep it a secret and depart from the agency
D. Run away with M and cuddle them forever because they deserve it
I think this theory could lead to a lot of interesting subplots and morality choices, and that it would split the fandom in two about whether the agency is evil, or whether the agency is just doing what they have been doing all along; keeping people safe (or so they say). I think this plot twist would be to Wayhaven what Last of Us Part 2 was to that franchise in terms of division⌠which is why i kind think itâs not gonna happen.
BUT it is a very interesting theory with many interesting dilemmaâs attached to it. Thanks for sharing it!
Not necessarily, maybe when M does remember who they were before and considering that there starting to fall in love with the detective. This could contribute to possibly understanding that what the Agency did was a necessary evil. M for the most part is a changed man or woman despite the memory wipe. They also have forged bonds with the other members of team bravo. I think its very possible they could forgive. But, M turning against the agency and wanting revenge while still loving the detective would make for a very interesting story direction.
As for all rogue supernaturals being terrible. thatâs more so of a broad generalization than it actually being something supported by the narrative. Especially concerning the the agencyâs very loose morals. Whos to say that there arenât rogue supernaturals who arenât evil, but are just trying to survive. Falk and the maa-alused, are one such example. I think this not-Murphy character theory is slightly out there, But who knows⌠I think it would be more likely that the actually agency themselves experimented on M and then wiped there memories
You make a good point, and it is one that I pondered. But to address youâre two points. I honesty think youâre giving M way too much credit for there morals. M is very practical, I donât think it is anywhere outside of the possibly that M wouldnât hurt an innocent person If the agency or Rebecca ordered them to do so. Hell, when the detective first meets unit bravo in the warehouse. M says afterward that they shouldâve knocked them out. M acts very much like the loyal wolf archetype. They care about the people who earn there trust. But I donât think for a second that they wouldnât kill or hurt any of the people that threatens there pack. Even if they are innocentâŚ
As for the torture, I would have to say its possible they were trying to test the Limits of Mâs abilities. Maybe its even possible that they had to torture M in order to weaken them mentally in order to wipe there memories
I have thought of an alternative scenario where M was possibly tortured by Hunters when they first started out as a vampire. Which pushed them into becoming a Rouge.
I couldnât agree more.
Wow, I didnât even begin to think of those possibilities. But I really hope M doesnât ever get there current memories replaced. I donât think my heart could handle it
No thank you! I didnât even really to begin to scratch the surface of all the implications or possibilities that could be introduced with such a narrative decision. But you honestly have me very much hoping that this is the case. Because like you said, there are so many interesting ways you can go with it.
The Agency found him but Chana mind wiped him after the fact. For his protection and the protection of those around him. That was from a mix of asks and the demo text. And those crystals help keep his memories at bay. I think he was too traumatized by the torture he endured.
I do find this theory interesting, though. Maybe rogues did it to him or the government was trying to make a super soldier or something. I will say this: if M decided to run from the Agency, my M-mancer would go with him without hesitation.
The maa-alused are very deliberately stated to not know the Agency exists in the first place. The supernaturals who are just trying to survive are specifically not rogues, as the Agency literally sets them up with everything, including food, homes, and safety, at⌠apparently no cost? I gueeeessssss?
Rogues are specifically the supernaturals who, when asked âhey, how about we supply for all your needs and you donât, yâknow, murder any humans?â respond with âhow about I murder a bunch of humans anyway?â
Oh yeah youâre right I actually did forget about that point concerning the maa-alused, So they probably arenât the best example. However I think an important distinction should be made If were discussing the morality of a supernatural. For a lot of them and especially vampires they see us as prey or food. In the same vain that many humans view animals. There pretty much at the top of the food chain so to speak. In that way, I wouldnât say a human being is evil for hunting for food even though there are viable alternatives.
A much better example of this in my opinion is the horror classic âJohn carpenters The Thingâ there was and still is a lot of discourse on the morality of the Things nature. On whether or not it should be held accountable for its actions. when in all intents and purposes it was simply trying to survive. And while yes, you could say that the agency could provide everything these supernaturals need to survive. I doubt that its possible for all cases.
If any organization out of the blue told humanity today that you cant eat this animal or meat of any kind anymore and if you do there will be consequenceâs Iâm pretty sure there would be major push back lol. So my only point, is that there are a few more complexities to it than the simple black and white of supernaturals are evil because they kill and eat humans. If there doing it because they need it to survive than its understandable imo, in the same manner as a lion eating gazelle.
The problem is that they definitely donât need to kill humans to survive*. Like, vampires definitely donât. Itâs not ânow you canât eat meatâ, itâs âyou stop killing elephants for meat and we give you all the meat you need.â
*statement to be revised if we get a supernatural that feeds on souls or something. RIGHT NOW, we know of no supernatural that needs to kill people to live, and weâre already counting actual literal demons
Yes but change the elephant in that sentence to cow, and see how we act up lol. I suppose the problem you run into, is the morality of it being okay to impose upon someone elseâs rights even though there violating the rights of another. I do fear that this debate will slowly cross over into the ethics of being a vegan versus not being one lol.
However, you make an excellent point about us so far not seeing these type of moral complexities with the current supernaturals. The only evil rogue supernatural that we currently know so far is Murphy.
Who pretty much killed and tortured everyone in his path for power. So for now, I shall concede the argument to you.
Hmm, thatâs definitely a possibility⌠I always thought he was kinda like Stephen from the vampire diaries. Like, heâs a âblood addictâ and canât control himself
My guesses on N run the same as @gtd33 , but I tend to exemplify it with the Dark Phoenix instead, because we KNOW N gets a huge power boost in her alter - they get bumped to X-class, while light!N is âonlyâ 8.
I suspect the alter comes out if N consumes too much blood, which is why they feed less than the rest of the Bravos AND get upset if the topic gets brought up. It also contrasts with the fact that N is the more human of the Bravos - theyâre the ones who go around eating human food, for example. So we have light!N being more human as long as they live more human, but going more vampire brings dark!N come out to play, and dark!N is NOT a nice person to be around.
How do we know dark! isnât a nice person to be around? Because itâs what makes the conversation with N at the warehouse make sense when they say THEY never killed anyone. The Falk scene shows us N in the middle of a ship while sailors go around killing each other all around them. I mean, TECHNICALLY, if N just mindcontrolled everyone to kill each other itâd still not be them killing people, but thatâs, well, disingenuous as fuck. HOWEVER, if dark!N is the one responsible for it, then it truly is not the N youâre talking to thatâs responsible for the killing.
I have no idea who this is, but the Falk flashback definitely shows us N in the middle of a massacre very specifically not actively killing or feeding.
I actually always asumed the scene with N and the mirror with the masacre on tbe ship was when N got turned and not something N was doing to anyone else since N specifically mentiones being turned at sea unless im remebering that wrong.
Yeah, Iâm also under the impression that N was turned while at sea and the mirror scene happened during that general time period.
rambling thoughts under the cut
My thoughts on the mirror scene (thanks to all the people who have shared their awesome theories) are that it happened shortly after N was turned, and the reason why N gets the ânot guiltyâ verdict is because, at that time, the alter was the one out and influenced the massacre (because Nâs mysterious ability may have something to do with compulsion(?) (as has been previously speculated by others)).
Maybe after being turned (but shortly before the massacre?), N could have fed and consumed enough blood that the alter was in control and powered up. Although, being a newly-turned vampire along with Nâs turning being confirmed to have been very traumatic, I donât think N (or the N we know) was coherent enough to be in control of their actions, so perhaps consuming blood may not have even been necessary in this case.
And as a minor aside, while thereâs nothing to support this, Iâm also wondering if this alter was born due to the traumatic nature of Nâs turning as a way to cope with it.
Iâm not really well-versed in all things N and have only played their route once up to the end of Book Two, so if Iâve accidentally overlooked something, please let me know; Iâm always happy to learn new things.
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