The Wayhaven Chronicles: Book Three (WIP -FINAL DEMO)

I think the character interactions themselves struggle a bit as well. The MC has very little agency, in the big scheme of things, and can’t respond accordingly when the two “difficult” ROs show their asses. The MC is forced to kind of take it like a doormat and be sad, horny, or resigned. If the MC already has feelings, they aren’t really allowed to voice them (the only choice with M is to say they want sex that means something and with A, it’s basically begging them to stop being hot and cold). The MC can’t have the option to say what they feel (even in a moment of weakness) because things with those two will happen at a later time and there will be no real progress till then, save for a moment here or there (contrast that with F and N, where the MC can decide whether things move forward or not).

Yeah, and I think it’s a line that becomes more difficult to skirt as the story progresses. A kid was killed due to Rebecca’s decision to hide the truth from the MC. And that was just kinda brushed off and ignored. The MC was tortured for hours, and that was brushed off as well, until it can be used for an angst-moment with the RO. Basically, the MC being in pain is blown off until it’s needed for a “romance” moment, be it an angsty one or one where the RO actually shows they care.

I just… I get wanting to keep it more light-hearted, but it doesn’t really feel so lighthearted for two of the paths because the source of angst for them is almost always their treatment of the MC and the fact that they don’t want a relationship with the MC, so there’s no real “romance” in the romance. So it’s like we’re being told to ignore all the real angst (dead kid, torture, regularly enduring hot/cold treatment from the one the MC either loves or is starting to love) for the moments that we’re supposed to view as angsty. In the meantime, we can’t get worn down by the hot/cold shticks from A or M because the MC is forced to get all mopey or fluttery about it. Whereas, for one MC, she’s getting to the point where she just doesn’t care, and the other one walks around on eggshells, waiting for the other shoe to drop. There’s no fluttery from either of them when we are shown it in the text–there’s just an eyeroll from one and the other waiting to be hit over the head with a spiked club, because she knows that’s what follows anything “nice” from her RO.

This is why, as much as I love your idea of it being the RO and the MC in an “us against the world” scenarios where the MC’s blood is concerned (and the effect it has on everyone), I would be willing to bet quite a bit that it won’t happen that way for M and A, at the very least. It will be more pushing the MC away, saying they don’t want them, M being stupid and not getting it, blah blah blah. Because their “romances” are mostly nonexistent and angsty through the whole series, without them being with the MC in a relationship till very late in the series. There’s no us against the world with them–just barriers keeping them apart that slip every now and then.

I could easily see that being F’s story, though, and it would fit well with Sanja’s warning to them (the whole thing with F having to choose and it sounding like F has to choose between their family of UB and being with the MC). With N, Sanja’s warning seemed to indicate N will lose control in some way (which I’m salivating over because that route needs some spice). With A, it was just more of the same, cementing A’s belief that them being with the MC will somehow harm the MC (thereby allowing them to continue their hot/cold routine for several books and have a great excuse for it). With M… it was “figure it out or you’re screwed” so it sets things up for M to continue to be hot/cold/ignorant till b5 when they have to figure things out or everything goes to hell.

For a 900 year old vampire who trains every single day, has enough to control to swing hard and stop short before making contact, it shouldn’t be that hard. M, maybe that applies, because they really aren’t the holding back type, so it’s all or nothing. But A should be able to do this, especially considering they’re the combat specialist.

But I get what you’re saying. We have to head canon why things are the way they are. I just take it for what it appears to be… plot-required incompetence. If the fight scenes didn’t amount to the MC tripping people all the time, I might be more apt to head canon something for all of it, but even the MC’s part in the fights is just… bad. And makes me think of The Three Stooges. Every time a fight scene pops up, I half expect the MC or UB to honk their enemy’s nose (which, actually, the more I think about it, would be hilarious and lend toward the whole “this is just lighthearted” thing). Make it a comedy for the fights, until someone gets hurt for drama purposes.

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I’m sure you’d have incredible time getting tazed. Your muscles seize no matter how tough you are. Combat against two opponents at the same time already requires immense gap in skill and I think there were a few dozen? Most importantly great speed does not necessarily equate great reaction time. And I haven’t taken the unit to be meant as enforcers of the agency. For me the story didn’t require much suspension of disbelief. Disclaimer that I have only played the game with Nat. Sorry if bad English.

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The problem with this is that the Bravos are incredibly much faster than the Trappers. You don’t get stung by wasps that aren’t fast enough to touch you.

In this case it does. The Bravos can move so fast that you can barely see them. F is stated to be even faster than the rest. If they don’t have super-reactions to go with super-speed, whenever they ran they’d do nothing but crash into things.
And this fight takes place at the night, AND underground.

The only fights that get an excuse are the one against not!Murphy (who’s like the Bravos, but better) and the thrall fight before the reveal (because they’d purposefully be holding back so the Detective doesn’t find out the truth).

This is the Superman Problem, who spends most of his fights being a goddamned moron, because there’s absolutely no way that, say, Darkseid should even know he’s there before he’s knocked out, let alone land a punch.

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Very exiting!

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Soooooo excited! :star_struck: Watch as now that it’s done Mishka takes like one day for a break before starting on book four for several months.

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Nice to know we will be getting Book 3 soon. I hope Miskha will get her well deserve vacation soon.

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:relieved:Wayhaven chronicles and Fernweh Saga coming out in the same year. Beautiful I say :anatomical_heart:

Congrats to Mishka, I hope she gets much needed rest

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@EvilChani

Over/under of “one person” trying to murder us in our sleep? Or when we’re awake? Which, granted, would be a whole lot more worrying if I had any hopes of anybody at the Agency ever being competent at anything, but still.

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You know Sera would never do that, but I would freaking love it!

The MC gets threatening notes at first, building up to being attacked when they least expect it. It could be a Fatal Attraction kind of thing, and would be a blast.

Unfortunately, the “person” was shown in the Christmas special last year and she’s incredibly beautiful and teary-eyed. And jealous. Her team may or may not show up in b3 (think it depends on a variable or a random scene) but I’m not sure if the MC meets her or not. Not sure how much I’m allowed to share about what we see on Patreon, but I think it’s okay to say that we know M has a reaction of sorts at the thought of the MC meeting her.

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If grumpy and eternal hedonist M gets a rabid admirer willing to toss us into the rogues arms for unrequited love, then I don’t even want to imagine what kind of crazy fan base a pretty, peacemaking golden boy/girl N has collected over the century.

You’d need to partake in the cursed LT-route just for the added protection from their jilted hopefuls!

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N’s an expert at letting them down gently, though.

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Which is why N is left clearing up M’s “messes” after M is done doing the do with people who think they actually had a shot!

Agree completely. M is very upfront with what they want, and that it means nothing. Even with the MC. So anyone who thinks otherwise should’ve known better.

Agree with this as well. I think N just takes it upon themselves to make M’s one-nighers “feel better” about themselves after the fact. I’m sure there are plenty of people at the Agency who think, “well, M says that but they haven’t been with me yet” only to find out M means what they say and is totally uninterested in entanglements.

I think N is too judgy with M, really. Between being so disapproving of what M does with other consenting adults and the way they freak out over getting a little grabby in public (when N is fine getting grabby themselves with a MC that romanced them), sometimes I wish the MC could tell N to mind their own damned business. Just because N’s method of flirting comes straight out of Harlequin romances doesn’t mean everyone does the same. Anyway…

M’s honesty is one reason why I think there could be some understandable angst going on during that path (instead of M’s never-ending stupidity and ignorance about their own feelings), at least for MCs who fall fast for M. After all, M said how it will be, so if the MC falls for them, that’s their problem. They just have to decide if they can keep dealing with it meaning nothing (and M announcing to everyone that the MC is a fucktoy who means nothing to them) or if they want to break it off (yeah, they can’t really break things off, but they could stop with the sex and distance themselves as much as possible).

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To be fair, this is the people’s fault. M’s very clear about what they’re in for.

It’s even a bit unfair when N calls them M’s messes, because M holds zero fault in the whole business. It’d be one thing if M were lying to them about the extent of involvement (and another, smaller, thing if they even omitted it), but one of M’s first steps is “and this is all it is”.

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I just think it’s all so funny since my MC didn’t sleep with M in the M-mancer route I did so they keep claiming the relationship is nothing except just weird flirting, and the MC is like “dog are you alright?”

I think it’s funny that there isn’t more reaction to the fact that M is consistently interested in someone for more than a few days, I know M doesn’t pick up on it but you’d think even Adam would fully realize it’s not just a passing lust like it usually is (even if they are sleeping together). I mentioned it before.

Part of me thinks I need to do an M-mancer route specifically where the Detective sleeps with M since I feel I’m missing a large part of that romance by intentionally avoiding that content.

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You should definitely try M’s romance with an MC who will sleep with them. It’s really fun, most times. Tormenting N with bold flirting is hilarious (granted, my N mancer does that when M or F egg her on, too, because she likes making N get all embarrassed, lol).

As for the rest, A actually does make a comment to M after the carnival about what’s going on with them and the MC. N makes a comment right before the Sanja rescue, pointedly saying that M doesn’t seem to be losing interest. M, of course, blows it off and says that why would they look anywhere else when the MC is right there and is easy pickings (which really makes me wonder if M’s “soulmate” would just be whoever happened to screw them and stick around on the team afterward, because then M can’t escape them and just basically falls for them because they’re there).

I haven’t played the no-sex route because my M-mancer never would’ve gone that way, but I have read the code and it just doesn’t grab me. Kinda makes me uncomfortable reading it (much like A’s route sometimes does), and just doesn’t seem fun to me.

There is one silver lining for those who wait for it to mean something, though: Sera has said the first time with M for those MCs will be extremely different and more powerful than for those who have been sleeping with M from the beginning. Not sure how that will happen since M won’t ever officially be in a relationship with the MC or declare their love for them, but if she says it’ll be better than what the others get, I tend to believe it.

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Literally every other Bravo comments on it. I don’t know how much more reaction you’d want.

As of the end of B2, you’re not.

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I’m willing to bet that will remain the case. The ones missing out on big parts of the romance are the ones who are competent in their jobs and don’t choose to save Sanja over M. Plus, the easily flustered types seem to get more “encouragement” from M than those who don’t fluster.

I haven’t played them recently so my pea brain must have forgor. Honestly though? I wish the MC could point out how they are still balling despite time passing, especially if M hasn’t dropped them and they haven’t even slept together considering how M constantly likes blowing them off.

Anyway, regarding ‘missing something,’ I just feel like the internal logic for M frays at the edges when there is implications that yall are just FwB but there isn’t even the B.

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None of this is true though.

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I had forgotten about one of those asks, but it kind of confirmed what I meant, that there apparently will be no real moment of “we’re dating” or in a relationship with M and the MC, which makes it an unspoken “kind of” thing? To quote one of the posts you linked to:

I’m still not sure there will be an actual ‘Let’s get into a relationship’ moment.

She further said that they’re already in a “sort of” relationship–for MCs who agree to have sex, this is called a "fuckbuddy"relationship, whereas it’s a “fuckbuddy wannabe” for M in the cases where the MC said no. While that can definitely be classified as a type of relationship, it’s not what I meant at all. And refusing to ever agree that you’re together also keeps it extremely casual.

Later in the same post, she says there will be a chance to make it more serious, but I’m not sure how that’s possible if there’s never any agreement that the MC and M are together. Hence, why I said what I did. As for the “I love you” part:

Specifically:

Yes there will be. Though some not quite as blunt or obvious!

So I’m guessing it will be implied with M rather than stated, because there’s this quote and then at least one older one that flat out says M may never say it all, but the MC will know. Well, I don’t know how the MC will know unless they’re psychic.


On a different note, did we get word on when N’s trailer will be coming out? I can’t wait to see it and hope it drops a few spoilers or teasers in it that give us a better idea on where things are going, both with the plot and with the N-mance.

I’m betting there will be some N sex this book, for those MCs that want it… and probably the opportunity to drop the “I love you bomb” on N (or maybe N drops it first?). I’m expecting a great deal of progress on that route (and F’s) this book.

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