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It would have had some copyediting done since it was a Steam release; I don’t know that they go so far as to cover potential plot holes, but it would not surprise me since it is definitely a deeper dive than just content appropriateness.

You are right that non-Steam releases pretty much go out raw, beyond content glances and making sure the game functions.

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No, copyeditors don’t look for plot holes.

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@jasonstevanhill Gotcha.

@hustlertwo looks like we were off about this one bro, lol

@LJ_Phoneix There have been a lot of people telling me SJ is too tough. I’m considering making it a bit easier in the next update, but it still won’t be an overall easy experience.

@Phantomwolf83 I’m real sorry… But hey, maybe this small piece of art for my current fantasy project will make you feel better?

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Oh, that looks nice. Is it some kind of post-apocalyptic setting? :grinning:

Well i just wanted to leave some positive words to encourage author, since this title got a little bit decimated on google play.
Ill try to keep it short though.

IMO there was a lot of potential, even if not all of it was used - 2.9 rating is a bit unfair.
But its probably problem with content warning - game is free so when someone downloads it and then gets offended by content warning(!), will probably just uninstall and rate 1/5.

While its true that it feels rushed and would really need more time in the oven its imo worth those few dollars.

Story structure was ok, tournaments were fun.
Romances while really short were nice (especially Vampirette) and i think it was good idea to place those easter eggs in the story.

I really like absurd comedies like Kung Fu Hustle, Fifty Shades of Black, Meteor Man or evil dead series but the problem with this kind of humour is that its not for everyone.

I hope this is not your last work @Tevin.

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It was humorous and great though as @Kleen did say some were lacking but seriously i did buy it after i got hooked in chapter one so do more deadpool style narratives in the deer(near) future @Tevin. I li©ked vampirette haha… Also royal too Then jane. Keeps me want to replay more thanks for the novel(game)!

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I’m not the only one that was just completely thrown off by the tonal shift right?
I’m sure glad some other people knew not to take this story too seriously, but I didn’t
And honestly when you start it with a long content warning and “I want to see how the criminal world for all it really is”
Is that really my fault.
Not to mention the demo was pretty serious in tone.
But then it just spirals out of control starting with vampire hypnotism?
Then my intelligence character who was just analyzing moves/stances and technical submissions suddenly started doing kung fu and not even like real kung fu but chi stuff.
Then my somewhat stoic character started acting like a child towards everyone.
It just all came out of nowhere
Not to mention the random nonsensical stuff like driving past two nerds arguing over “superwoman” and “Batwoman”
The narrator telling me to apologize to the creator.
@Tevin I just have to know
Was this always the intention?
Because honestly sir it is very jarring and really took me out of the entire thing.

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@Grace_Wong

A statement by the author.

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I really like the game & it kind of reminds me of scott pilgrim/river city girls with the magical realism and the fact that the mc just accepts these random magical elements. I do have a question though. I’ve replayed 5 times already & I cant seem to beat the final boss. In my last gameplay these were my final stats:


I always pick to use the stat i have the most for (in this case intelligence) but i can never seem to beat the final boss. I even had all of the prizes from the gyms but that didnt help

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@Phantomwolf83 No, that desert is just one of the many places you’ll visit in the high fantasy world. There’s this too.

@Kleen Aw thanks! Yeah that score is a bit low but don’t worry, the 4.1 Score on the omnibus app with over three times as many reviews is pretty encouraging.

But don’t worry about me lol I look forward to the goals more than I focus on the failures, I’m not discouraged or anything.

Seems Vampirette is a hit with players, and glad you found it funny although you thought the story structure was only okay and such. And it’s definitely not my last work, I just updated another WIP on here Spacehouse Rock today and I’ve been writing up the game I’m getting lots of art for regularly, you’ll see new stuff soon.

@ArtemisFowl Sounds epic. I’ll definitely try to recreate Deadpool with the narration in some future game since a lot of you seem to be into it lol I never even imagined the narrator as Deadpool just Blaze but he’d be fun to emulate.

The RO’s were you thing but you really liked Vampirette too eh? I’m glad, it makes since she’s one of the few RO’s who were not originally meant to be just a hook up.

After people said they wanted RO’s over hook ups I transformed a lot of the one-off characters into full romance option which is the main reason a lot of them feel barebones but the Vampirette came after that so I think that’s why I’ve gotten no complaints about her.

You’re welcome playa!

@Grace_Wong Well @Chopper already quoted you an explanation but one thing I should let you know is you say you disliked what went down in the Dandy club since you disliked Vampiric hypnotism among other things?


Take a look at the original thread, the crazy stuff in the Dandy club made it the most popular club in the game, especially among my later beta testers. That’s why I went all out on the nonsensical stuff from then on, because the fans liked it so much.

I hope that answers your question on my motivations for adding what you said you didn’t like, sorry it wasn’t your cup of tea but the people on the testing thread liked it so I added it.

@ADguezLopez Scott Pilgrim eh? I sure loved that graphic novel series. And yes, that alongside stuff like sunset overdrive is why I decided to make the story take place in what I envisioned as a video game world, where all kinds of crazy stuff like pixel gauges, zombies, and even encounters with video game worlds like Fable hidden away in it. I will probably revisit the world of Street Jam with another crazy, fourth wall breaking game filled with references all over. Maybe a GTA satire piece…

Oh, having trouble with Pro eh Amanda? And you managed to beat every other club and get the items? Epic, just like when in Def Jam Vendetta everyone thinks their OP until D-mob shows up and beats you in 30 sec-

Oh, getting off-topic. Pros checks are:

75 or above in any stat.
Then 50 or above in any other stat.
Then 25 or above in any other stat, and you win.
Any of the three checks can be overridden by a high Police or Ghetto score.

Just focus a bit more on one stat (I recommend intelligence or speed) and you’ll be victorious, Amanda, as you have enough to pass any check other than the first one, including a high enough police score.

Hell you’ll probably be the first person on this thread to report winning every single fight, good luck! :v:

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I’ve started the demo with mixed results.

I like the concept and the idea, even if it’s only superficial, that you can chose an origin. However, I keep losing the second and third fight despite a few restarts (hey I like to win). My stats aren’t too bad, I don’t think (I went with stripper but have a very rough and tumble background, including the teenage fight club and boxing lessons):

Brawns: 19%
Endurance: 18%
Speed: 9%
Stamina: 14%
Brains: 0%
Charisma: 19%

But nothing. What do you have to do to win the second fight? Is the third one even possible?

I get that sometimes you have to fail but it’s pretty rare to lose so badly in the first few fights. Some people are even saying that the last boss is almost impossible which should never be in this type of game. Sure, you need to play to your strengths but a reasonable chance of winning should exist.

Thank you everyone for any insight.

Edit: oh, I forgot how to report bugs but I decided to go home with a patron for money but my stats didn’t show it. I guess you need to remember to get paid first! :wink:

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@Sylvaria
I would say pour everything into one or two stats at the beginning, your stats are looking pretty balanced, which is likely why you lost. Also the second and third fights are completely doable, if you focus on one stat and make the right choices (I chose speed, followed by stamina, and while I lost the second fight likely from a bad choice, I still won the third.) and why should the final boss not be so difficult? I personally defeated them, although it took a few tries. This is the type of game that encourages a lot of replays to get things right, which is what I suggest doing.

Thank you for your response.

It’s nice to know that the fights are winnable. At the same time, that the game forces you into fairly specific builds, i.e. focus highly on one stat, to win even early on is not a good sign.

Usually in these types of games, yes you will tend to focus on a few stats but there is enough leeway and flexibility, especially in the beginning, where you can win as long as you play to those strengths. Here, even playing to my strengths, i.e. strength, failed me in the second fight. I think I might try an endurance check against the third opponent though. I think that it won’t be enough; the stat requirements just seem insanely high (someone I think in the thread said he or she had a 30 stat check to pass opponent three).

As for the final opponent, yes some difficulty should exist but not so high that you are more likely to lose than not, assuming that you are playing to your strengths and making smart choices. In a game system that allows no saves for most books (an idea that I continue to oppose; the option to “reload” as it were should exist for those who prefer to play that way), this is crucial to avoid continued replays just to “win.” I have neither the time nor patience for this, especially in a game where it seems you need to go optional subquests to win

Replays, IMHO, should exist to let you experience the game from another angle; what if I am evil rather than good? What if I side with this faction? Not, “you lost again sucker, wanna try again ya loser?” That I have had multiple restarts just to get through the first series of fights is screaming to me that this game is not balanced well. I could be wrong but it is much harder than the over dozen Choice Games that I have played. Even reading through the text, the third opponent is noted to be quite strong but then it seems to indicate he would tire easily. Yet this route still failed me. I might have read too much into it but it seemed like bad writing to me.

Again, thank you for your response and wisdom. I would ask you and others for any other advice, including what seem to be the “right” choices to get past these fights; at present I restarted again to get to the second chapter (when the fights first start) and if I feel I can’t get past them in the fashion I want, I might assume the rest of the game is just as unbalanced and stop. Which is sad since I like the concept.

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I think it is due to the percentage I also had the same problem until my main statistic reached at least 77 or 80%

@Sylvaria
No problem. I totally understand that this game definitely isn’t for everyone, and the fact that multiple replays and choosing a main stat can be very annoying to many. I was very frustrated after losing many times. But once you push on and get a good ending, it is very, very satisfying. For the second fight, charisma seems to usually serve me well to defeat Jane (stay and then taunt if high charisma always works)

He doesn’t tire easily per se, but he does tire, I think my stamina and speed were pretty high and I easily tired him and took him down. With this stamina and speed combo you might not be able to take down Jane (I think). Anyways, I wish you the best of luck with the story and I hope you manage to get to the end!
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These are the checks for the final boss. Your stats need to be pretty high, but definitely doable if you play strategically.

@Sylvaria looking over your stats, you literally have enough to win the second fight… I’m actually rather surprised you claim you haven’t.

It’s not like, very specific builds or anything. You literally have exactly what you need to win… Literally, did you really experiment a lot?

As for the second fight, it can be won if you had 1% more in Brawns, Stamina or speed. Literally, just 1% more. Or 2% more in Endurance as well.

Also, if you had swapped your Brawns or Endurance or Charisma with Intelligence you also would have won.

It seems to me like you just have had an enormous streak of bad luck pal, literally just 1% away from the victory in multiple stats. Like, really bad luck. I’m sure you’ll get it now.

As for leeway, the third fight has plenty of it. The only way to get defeated instantly is by using Strength and failing, every other stat check can be failed and you’ll have a second chance. More leeway is any stat being able to beat him by itself.

A 30 check on the third opponent? That is the absolutely highest check for him, with 30 strength giving you an achievement for managing to beat him like that, with strength to be specific which is explicitly stated to be the hardest check.

The easiest check, on the other hand, was 10. Yes, he can be beat with ten in speed. An extremely small requirement.

Anyway, you are the first person to ever report being unable to beat the second fight and the second person to report difficulty with the third, but the last person didn’t realize there was no instant win without a stat check choice.

I actually completely agree with the lack of save options point you have, those would be extremely useful, but unfortunately they are unavailable… At least outside of DashingDon. But this is not a fight where you are more likely to lose than not, you can fail a stat check then win with 10 in one stat. Giving an only 10 requirement.

You are right that with multiple resets in the first three fights you’re probably not going to want to keep going through the rest of the game, but this is because you are going into the game expecting to win and win.

This is a game where you are just another regular person, not some chosen hero or superpowered individual, you are the same as the next person. You aren’t destined to save the universe or anything, you’re just another fighter in the city. You’re definitely going to lose some fights. But that makes sense, you’re only human, like everyone else.

If you are unwilling to accept being defeated, I can’t recommend this game to you as you will be restarting a LOT to get wins. One thing you may notice is there are only like, four ways to get a game over in the entire game, and most of them aren’t even stat based, a decent amount of them are optional scenes. My point with this is you are replaying of your own volition, not because the game is forcing you to, you aren’t getting game overs.

And yes. I too have played many COGs and HGs and this is the exact reason SJ is so hard, not just because it makes sense for the story but because I was tired of getting my hand held in most of them and wanted to create a real challenge. Consider this the Dark Souls of HG.

Also, you claim you think you’ll keep losing without looking? You get to increase your stats between the next club and this one, but your current stats, specifically your 18 in Endurance among others, means you’ll probably win every fight in the next club without even using the stat boost.

It is completely up to you whether you try again or not, but either way, I hope you got some fun out of SJ during your time with it.

@Jinin_Gaming Streak? His battle completely changes based on what outfit you chose.

Um, essentially, there are always two choices based on what outfit you chose. You lost against him? Choose the one choice you didn’t and you’ll win…

And be ultra polite and focus on her fashion sense and you should get her. Just remember she’s not a tsundere like Royal so don’t tease her… At least until you’re in a relationship.

@Chopper very true. Glad you managed to persevere and destroy the game, but I’m thinking I’m going to nerf SJ’s difficulty in the next update and flesh out the romances more. Want a peek at Spike’s new scene?

“Standard story.” Spike chuckles. “I grew up in the bad part of the city with most of the other people of my shade, I guess. I always wanted more… well, at least more than a dusty apartment where gunshots or shouts keep you up every night. And I ain’t exaggerating there either. Every single night, someone shooting some poor sap or some fucker over there arguing.”

This next part switches based on your childhood, here’s the orphan variation:

“I know how that is, try hearing it from the next bunk over. And about the silliest things, like a lollipop or some shit. Then when you get older it gets more serious, it turns from candy to crack. But someone always wants something someone else has, and they’ll fight all night to get it.”

“Big family or are you an orphan?”

“Orphan.”

“Well that’s a bitch. I bet you had it way worse than I had to deal with.”

“It’s alright, that stuffs passed.”

“Yeah best to leave the shit in the gutter. Same here.”

Note: Still just a draft, subject to change before update.

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To Tevin:

Thank you, as well as everyone else for your responses.

Specifically to Tevin, I am a little confused by some of your response; it seems to contradict itself. First you say:

“Poking over your stats, you literally have enough to win the second fight… I’m actually rather surprised you claim you haven’t.”

But then you say:

“As for the second fight, it can be won if you had 1% more in Brawns, Stamina or speed. Literally, just 1% more. Or 2% more in Endurance as well.”

So either I literally have high enough stats to win the second fight OR I literally am off by one or two percent (to get to a 20 it would seem) to win the fight. It can not be both. Please clarify

“Literally, did you really experiment a lot?”

I did. I also switched up from an earlier build by dumping an attractive appearance (stripper) to go with an athletic build, i.e. less charisma but more stamina. Jane just stands there until I attack or the guy in the cowboy hat ends the match. If I attack, I am not smart enough to analyze her stance, can’t avoid her move, can’t overpower her… and at least at my current charisma I can’t taunt. I think even my older charisma didn’t work that well. I do not see a way I can win. Does it need a 20 stat or not? If it does, it’s impossible for me to win, it would seem.

"It seems to me like you just have had an enormous streak of bad luck pal, literally just 1% away from the victory in multiple stats. Like, really bad luck. I’m sure you’ll get it now.

As for leeway, the third fight has plenty of it. The only way to get defeated instantly is by using Strength and failing, every other stat check can be failed and you’ll have a second chance. More leeway is any stat being able to beat him by itself.

A 30 check on the third opponent? That is the absolutely highest check for him, with 30 strength giving you an achievement for managing to beat him like that, with strength to be specific which is explicitly stated to be the hardest check.

The easiest check, on the other hand, was 10. Yes, he can be beat with ten in speed. An extremely small requirement."

Thanks for the heads up on that. I was able to win in an experimental run with a different build by using the speed option last. I wish the writing was a little clearer though; the text lead me to think that tiring him out, i.e. a stamina check, was the better choice; lots of people who build muscle like him tends to have bad cardio (not all though, please don’t hate! :slight_smile: )

"I actually completely agree with the lack of save options point you have, those would be extremely useful, but unfortunately they are unavailable… "

Actually, both Magikaras and The Toyko Wizard books both have limited save options; if you die, you can restart once at the beginning of a chapter for the first. Never got far into the latter one.

“You are right that with multiple resets in the first three fights you’re probably not going to want to keep going through the rest of the game, but this is because you are going into the game expecting to win and win.”

Thanks for the honest comment; I do want to win… that’s the point of a game to me; to win. Yes, there is fun in playing it but playing and not winning stinks, to me anyway. I don’t mind if I lose progress due to plot reasons but when I can make a choice, and think I am playing smart by playing to my strengths and reading the text to clues only to still lose… it doesn’t feel fair. Whether it’s truly fair or not, well that depends on each reader.

“Consider this the Dark Souls of HG.”

Fair enough; I don’t play Dark Souls games… I don’t like to bang my head against the wall.

“Also, you claim you think you’ll keep losing without looking?”

It’s a prediction based on current circumstances. If the beginning battles are this hard, it would seem that the next ones would be ever harder. That is usually how games play out. I can only forecast based on the little I have.

“It is completely up to you whether you try again or not, but either way, I hope you got some fun out of SJ during your time with it.”

Thank you for your response and well wishes. Honestly, I can’t say that I have enjoyed it. I like the concept and was going to buy it site unseen. Now though, I honestly don’t know. I just want to play my way rather than feel forced down a certain path. Again, using that word “feel”, doesn’t mean it’s true. With the exception of starting as a stripper (more charisma and street compared to the higher physical stats, you’d think it would have given me more speed and stamina; that pole gives you a work out!), I went with many options to represent a rough and tumble background. Just not enough…

Spoiler:

I liked it but i don’t understand how you were killed by a bullet if Vanessa turned you into a vampire

My bad, third fight is where you’re just a smidge away from victory with 1% differences, second is where I’m surprised you haven’t won.

Your occupation may effect your stats, but your other choices about your past life do as well. Yes the check is at 20 and you can have 40 or a bit above in Charisma during the fight with Jane.

Okay then, I will change the text for the fight with Number One to this effect instead since you think it will be clearer.

Oh really? I do remember both those games have way less variables than SJ so that may be why, but I will take look at the code of both and see if I can integrate that.

Uh… Whether it’s truly fair or not depends on each reader? Doesn’t it depend on the game and it’s stats check and balancing…?

Dark Souls is one of my favorite series actually lol

You could forecast but you could also look, that’s always the most accurate way. Up to you.

Well a rough and tumble background is just as viable as a straitlaced one so anyone can have an even shot at victory, however if you don’t like SJ that’s cool. Again, you acknowledge feeling forced doesn’t make it true as you know it isn’t so there isn’t really much I can do to help you out here, I already let you know you should expect losses and the logical reason why and recommended you try one of those chosen one game’s for a much easier experience, that and good tidings is all I can really give you here…

Good tidings pal.

@HeliosTheAll-Seeing remember Vampirettes words about being able to go in sunlight because you’re not fully changed yet? That’s why.

@tandra88 very sorry I forgot to reply to your comment earlier!

Yeah I think there’s only four to six game overs available in the entire game, I did that to balance out the difficulty of the fights.

Yeah I’d say that heaven scene is one of the biggest highlights of the game, especially since it completely changes based on your choice of background as a lot of other things do in SJ. Glad you found it hilarious, my beta testers loved it too!

There are a of RO’s ton because SJ was originally planned to just have hook ups throughout the story but people demanded romance so they changed to RO’s. And very good, I’m glad you get SJ is much more about fighting/plot/stats. Don’t worry though, your itch for romance will be scratched with the next update or two.

You won’t be using that reset and play again buttons too much pretty soon, the difficulty will be tuned down as well. And I’m glad you managed to enjoy it in the end even though it’s a super acquired taste and pretty different compared to your standard COG or HG.

See ya when Spacehouse Rock gets finished. :guitar:

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I won easily with speed and charm

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