Pardon me for not wanting to kill everyone who wrongs me and value the lifes of people and hope to have them see the error in their ways (ala Book 2 Reyna) or have death on ones conciousness.
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Error of their ways is well and good, but this doesnât justify the harm these people caused. Reyna happily killed my MC in his first iteration and I doubt she felt any remorse after that. Paying evil into evil seems like a suitable strategy given the amount of destruction and pain these people bring to innocents.
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So, logic states reward death and violence with more death and violence.
SOUND LOGIC.
But you murder hobos do you I guess. -Shrugs-
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Reward how? Reyna kills people with utter glee, itâs just to make her feel the same pain she inflicted. She would gladly kill us, our friends and entire academy, I reckon, so sod her, let her rot. It isnât a reward, itâs eye for an eye. Just desserts for this one for sure.
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Clearly you didnât play with her alive in book 2, in which if you do try and help save her brother, she does show some remorse and does say she does wish we had met under better circumstances. Plus given the fact that she was POSSESSED and under Frostbites thumb didnât help matters. But sure, lets just kill everyone who wronged us. Astrid too? Maybe Thalia for her sadist teachings?
It takes a strong person to hold themselves in a higher regard and not stoop to the lower or equal levels of their enemy.
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In terms of just practicality, a dead enemy is an enemy that can no longer threaten you in any way. And from Dominic, to Julian, most of the various others that tried to kill you throughout the series, all of them will forever have a chance at getting at you unless you finish them off before they can finish you.
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And who pays for this supposed higher ground? Certainly not our noble hero. It isnât stooping to their level if removing them from the equation will lead to better outcomes. Frostbite enemies mercifully spared by noble hero are rarely moved by their heart.
Besides, stop twisting my words. I donât suggest killing people for supposed slights. Reyna tried to kill us and kills us in an early ending, something neither Astrid, nor Thalia do. Sheâs clearly dangerous and willing to do this shit, mindcontrol or not - Yakov was able to overcome it by himself, wasnât he?
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What a crock, to compare the two and assume Reyna had a choice in the matter with everything, not just with how things went down but mentally as well. They arenât the same, as both circumstances are different.
Sure she choose to make a deal with the devil, wanting her sister back, dealing with frostbite, becoming indoctrinated in the process, believing the holier than thou preachings, and certainly killed us (optionally) given the mental instabilities she had at the time. YET, again, IF we keep her alive and help save her brother, we see a different side to her. Maybe she could be another Yakov, betraying Frostbite and joining our side to fight take down the organization that just tried to kill one thing she was willing to protect and fight for. We donât know, and never will.
For me, yes, there are characters that are certainly deserving of hate and death, wonât deny that. Yet, I donât want to see them dead just because they are âevilâ or are the enemy. I want the satisfaction of them seeing their actions fall flat, their beliefs crushed, their goals trampled on as everything that is thrown our way is overcome. Like with Celosia and her bullshit of trying to make us out to be the biggest threat to NMC. Sure, killing her would be easy, given all the bullshit sheâs done to not only us but Sera and Kate and others, BUT to see us give the middle finger, all her plans of what she had planned to do to us shattered and destroyed, the look and shock when we (hopefully) have her ass on trial for her crimes , to have her position and power stripped away⌠That to me is a greater death than actual death.
But thatâs just me. -Shrugs-
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I agree with the sentiment, killing off, an enemy, is less satisfying than having everything they believe in collapse in front of their faces, but to me, at least, that seems to risky
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There is risk involved regardless of either option. Risking ones sanity, the thoughts of their friends/loved ones on why they killed that person, worrying about what could happen next, etc. Itâs a double edged sword either way.
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Yeah, nah. Fuck these guys. Every time I play I let Reyna live because, in the end, there was something human in her. You saved her brother and that just⌠made her open her eyes. But the rest of Frostbite? Theyâve gotta go one way or another.
Dominic? Dead or compelled into a brainwashed servant. Julian? Compelled by his own child to kill himself. These are psychopaths and fanatics. Theyâre not gonna stop until theyâve torn down the veil and ended the world as we know it. And Yâknow how they do that? By killing you. The only one that I wonât kill is Yakovâs sister. I mean, it may be us-or-them but Iâm not gonna kill a friendâs sister.
Frostbite proved themselves to be beyond redemption way too many times to let go. If they somehow change their minds and do the right thing in the middle of the fight then more power to âem, but otherwise theyâre better off dead and gone.
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Is lucky heâs too cute to kill to my mc. I also think it may be possible to redeem him somewhat, as much like Reyna I think that deep down there is a real boy. But the kind of upbringing and indoctrination he has had weâre probably talking about years of effort to get anywhere. Although I do now agree that letting Reyna live is probably the better outcome⌠Not that he will ever really like her or her brother mind you. Davina on the other handâŚwellâŚ
In the scenario where those bastards killed his mom my mc absolutely willâŚotherwise it depends on her but my mc wonât pull any punches with her, if it comes down to it.
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Well my mc was helping frostbite but after that stunt she pulled she will have to sleep with one eye open since Iâm offing her or getting her imprisoned. She might be a keeper but even keepers are not safe
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Most of them probably but I think we have a chance with him since the mc befriended him before so a personal connection might be enough to convince him to leave. The villain from book 1 looked like a monster but she was alright person in book 2 so itâs not impossible for them
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Well, it depends on the situation since you need to be strong to make tough decisions. Forgiving is not always done because one is strong as it can also be the opposite. You simply cannot bear the weight of deaths on your conscience. My protagonist also forgave and even saved Reynaâs brother. I donât remember the scene well, but I donât recall her repenting, and in the end, she was not hostile to us there because we saved her brother. But that doesnât mean she repented or was our friend.
I donât see how torturing your enemies in life by taking everything from them and enjoying it is much better than simply eliminating them to ensure they cannot harm us or the people we love.
My MC would not derive any satisfaction from seeing someone suffer. My MC is not sadistic and would not enjoy it, regardless of whether they are an enemy or not. If my MC eliminates someone, it is because we not only eliminate threats to ourselves, but also save more people who are harmed by them. Moreover, an enemy who has lost everything and has nothing left to lose is the most dangerous one of all. Therefore, I do not see it as worthwhile to risk someoneâs life just to derive satisfaction from seeing them fall. Ultimately, who gets the satisfaction, them or us?
You cannot bear the weight of deaths on your conscience, but you can bear torturing your enemies? Honestly, your logic does not make sense. But well, maybe you wonât have to face the consequences with some luck.
I compelled Dominic to ensure he wouldnât be a danger to me or the people I love, but Nessa is not only a danger, she literally forced us to kill the person we loved even if it was in a dream. That is one of the most traumatic experiences one can have, not to mention my mc also lost his daughter.
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Murder hobos? Ah yes releasing a demon and potentially killing us is not grounds for elimination.
Kidnapping our parent and threatening their life isnt as well. Ofc youre right. How could we be so blind?
These arent slights. These are full on attacks, why is it somehow bad to end the lives of those who are near ending yours and those of the people you love?
Its not like frostbite has been doing this stuff as a tiny prank. They want us dead or captured so that they can realize their goal yet, to you, destroying them is somehow the evil here?
Sure, reyna got indoctrinated, sure she had her reasons for what she did. But you realize the destruction she brought about, you realize that there is a path where she most certainly kills you. Her circumstances dont automatically make her less of a threat. Itâs valid to forgive, yes, but it is also valid to end her life considering she and that demon were ready to end yours and your suitemates.
KOL GOT PUT INTO A COMA. THEY WERE GONNA KILL HIM
A murder hobo is someone that kills indiscriminately. I dont see any mc randomly killing civilians or neutral parties. Literally only the ones that actively endager us or our loved ones.
We even see that locking them up is near damn pointless. They have agents ready to go everywhere. Being merciful invites them to keep going until they finally take everything from you. They are beyond talk so whats the solution?
Imagine being called a murder hobo for putting the kibosh on someone who attacked and kidnapped your parent. Naive thinking.
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You still committed murder none the less, whether justified or not. But hey, you do you with whatever makes you feel right in your beliefs and all.
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In addition, please remember that it is typically not so much what oneâs opinion is that causes friction, but how one chooses to express that opinion. Using negatively-charged value words are a good way to start friction, as is generalization and sniping.
Calling other forum members murder hobos is a perfect example of what not to do.
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I make no apologies to my opinions.
Anyways, backing on topic, I do certainly hope we can resolve everything semi amicably with Nessa (even though it was a dick move with the dreams) and give Frostbite the kick in the balls, while very likely ending up talking to demons and angels behind the veil, cause more weirdness is certainly bound to happen.
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My poor mc hit list just keeps growing, he killed Julian, Dominic and Reyna. And now Nessa wants to mess with us too. That craziness at chapter 8 is the worst kind of mental torture.
Murder Hobo for life fuck those people, they just keep testing my MC, he isnt looking for trouble but they keep testing him.
Its actually crazy that my mc sanity is at 71. 
got more blood on his hands than a butchers.
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