Do they need to stop caring for Avina’s friendship altogether for it to be cool? There is absolutely no reason for the Seven and Avina are made together argument again, it’s baseless, especially after that pov. The two couldn’t be further in understanding each other.
It seems like Seven is drawn more to Avina’s “yes” attitude than to Avina as a person. If someone else indulged them in the same way, they might have become just as codependent with that person. Of course, now they’re friends and there’s that connection, but there wasn’t some “it’s fate” draw or whatever that brought them together, just simply someone with too much blind loyalty.
That question is as straightforward as it comes. If Avina were to be mean to Mc, Seven would take Mc’s side.
If Mc was mean to Avina? They’d lose points, but iirc, Seven didn’t come to their defense.
No. But you said it shows the care is not reciprocated, and I’m not seeing that stated anywhere in that answer.
This, we can agree on.
Maybe, but I’m still seeing a strong connection there. And feelings. What Seven feels for Avina may not be categorized the same as what Avina clearly feels for Seven, but they do love each other, and are basically the center of each other’s lives, at this point (even if 7’s mind is on the MC whenever MC is in sight).
And if MC is not nice to Avina, Seven gets mad at the MC and MC loses points with them. So it works both ways.
You read the pov, you read the question, there’s not much I can say to convince otherwise. Personally, I think it’s literally written out that Seven only cares for Avina as a friend, and in comparison to Mc who they supposedly hate, Avina doesn’t mean anything but a tool for their pettiness to get back at Mc.
Edit:I’m aware that Seven actually cares for Avina, just an exaggeration to get the point across.
I think this is patently false. Avina means a lot to Seven. I don’t think Seven realizes the way Avina sees them, though, and that Avina is in love with them. I think Seven realizing that would change some things.
Every ten business days, Amy sits down and gently tells readers that Seven and Avina’s friendship is deeply imbalanced and unhealthy, and people ignore it and insist that Amy is actually hinting at Savina endgame because she posted on a full moon and mercury is in retrograde.
Like I don’t know what she could even say at this point. There would be no point to lying about something like that, as it would piss a lot of people off, and everything we’ve seen so far, from the demo to the Tumblr asks to the Patreon extras, supports Amy’s assertion that Seven and Avina’s friendship has deep rooted issues and that it most definitely isn’t a love triangle.
Meaning a lot does not equate to the power over Seven Avina is being given in this scenario. Seven must have an inkling of it for someone so emotionally connected. I think it would have a negative effect though if they straight up confessed, Seven would probably feel like a jerk for using and leading them on and awkward cause of their anti-band member relationships.
[Emphasis mine.] I don’t know if I’d go that far - but I think you were spot on earlier in identifying that Avina’s validation of Seven and their feelings (probably in particular regarding MC/Sev’s old band early in their friendship) as a significant part of the foundation of their relationship. I will also concede that yes, Seven is clearly not above using their friendship with Avina to attempt to make the MC jealous.
Well sure, but like I said in the past imo that valentine thing is very situational. Like take Blake’s too for example, don’t you think that it’s a little too much too soon if you think about it without adding the nugget that “it’s a valentine scene meant to be taken as a little treat”?
I don’t agree with the points because idk it’s the completely different feeling I got. Amy said that’s Seven trying to keep it slow bc they feel too much, which was also confirmed in the latest pov, so I can’t just take them wanting to make this work as MC and Seven will never happen. Also don’t agree with the supposed reiteration of there being no space for MC because that’s just ??? a wild take?
I don’t know, your view of that pov is so negative and it’s baffling to me because I thought it was pretty sweet and generally standard? And obviously this isn’t meant to be a jab, I’m just spitballing.
I think that the whole “she’s not saying the truth to avoid spoilers” is silly talk, because if she ends up lying to that extent people will come for her afterwards. There are literally no pros.
exactly this. Didn’t mean to say basically the same thing, I saw this afterwards. It would be just… really, really stupid on her part.
Plus like [Sev POV spoilers] this time around you get to see Seven actually say out loud how they don’t like certain aspects of Avina’s character, so saying they’re blindly hanging from their lips is just straight up wrong? Are they friends? Yes. Does Sev care? Obviously. Does this mean Avina could spit on MC and Seven would be okay? Hell no. You joke about the band thing, Avina laughs and Seven is pissed. What do you mean they’re blindly following them
Edit: almost forgot. You can be mad at like sev’s pettiness, but also I would remind people that you can be just as petty + being petty is (also) just another sign of Seven being a stupid ass stinker stuck in their own mental wanderings. Pettiness isn’t always about hate or negative feelings, sometimes you’re just hurt and act like a child. Which is no justification, but that goes unsaid and is beside the point.
Some people on this thread seem to become so fixated on their own interpretations and headcanons that they’re incapable of engaging with what Amy has actually written. It doesn’t matter how many times Amy spells something out for them; if it goes against their own interpretation, then it’s not true.
Oh, no, you put it much more succinctly than I did but yeah, lying about something that big is all cons and no pros. People would turn on her so fast you’d get digital whiplash. And nothing we’ve seen supports the idea that she’s lying.
I mean, we love headcanons! There’s obviously going to be variability in interpretations, that’s not a problem, but it’s crazy that sometimes Amy says something in no unclear terms and people just choose not to believe her
I don’t feel like Avina & Seven are a thing at all. They do not feel like they are to be together. Avina might be pushy for it? I just don’t see it.
When I was wanting Seven in pre-rewrite, sure. Post-rewrite. I just don’t see it. Maybe audience/fans think they’re more than friends? Honestly, can’t care.
Perhaps I really should make Seven a girl again to care? Cause I really don’t when Seven is a boy. He doesn’t really register to me. Im annoyed that several scenes make it out like it ‘feels’ like me and ‘him’ supposed to be together, bleck. Really should try Seven as ‘her’ and see how it feels then.
Really changing someone to not my preference, they’re just there. Miss Blake? Yes, actually cared a tad more, was able to flirt. Now, meh, whatever, not even on my radar as an opponent, hes just there to be annoying, nothing else. G as a man, I find him annoying pesk instead, too.
Really does change how I feel when they are of no interest to me. They become blips. Unless they are trying to kill me, like a certain Duke does. Or when a Duke thinks I should be his. That or a guy is a stalker because knows the dead brother that raced.
These guys are blips compared to those few. Even the bully Brock is a blip to me. I do need to add, Scarper sucks and few others I don’t mention are not as much as blips. Depending story and attitude and my involvement with them, how much emphasis they are to me. Scarper.
Maybe. I really wonder about the band dynamic, because Pope and Kieran are clearly Savina shippers, and want them to get together. I wonder if they’ve ever said something to Seven about it.
You think Blake’s was too much too soon with it being months into them messing around??? OMG, if I had dated someone who barely touched my hand three months into dating, I would’ve assumed they weren’t into me and moved on (unless they were ace/aro or something).
It’s literally the last lines of the VD special. There’s no room, but Seven will “make” some room (or so the MC thinks).
No problem. I don’t think it’s being negative, it’s being realistic, because I don’t see how two people can be together if one of them literally wants the other one as far away from them as possible and wants to spend as little time together as humanly possible, despite supposedly feeling so deeply for them.
That’s how you get over someone and move toward a breakup, not how you develop a relationship with them. The whole scenario gave me the ick. I didn’t really find anything sweet about it, since they literally would’ve spent VD apart had the MC not gone there to beg for some time with Seven and force themselves on them after Seven explicitly stated they didn’t want to be with the MC on VD.
If what Amy spells out is not reflected in the writing, I’m going with the writing. I have a problem when authors tell me how to interpret something–that isn’t their place. And, in my view, wanting to distance from someone you supposedly love and want to be with isn’t romantic and is definitely not a sign you want to be with them. Quite the opposite. Does that mean things won’t get better before the end of chapter 20? Nope, but all I can go on is what I’m seeing, and the only glimpse into the future for Seven/MC is very dim to me.
I do the opposite on my non-Seven runs–I make Seven a girl so my MCs literally couldn’t care less what the hell they’re doing. They may kind of miss their bff, but they also thinks she’s a basketcase and needs help.
Oh, definitely this and I think that’s so suffocating for Avina, to have Seven place these unknown expectations on them and let them flounder around in the dark trying to guess at what will make Seven the happiest because Seven refuses to fully communicate and what they want is sometimes antithetical to what they say they want.
There’s distancing from being codependently up each other’s arse 24/7 to the point where you have a normal relationship, and distancing from normal relationship to the point of becoming actually distant. What we have with Seven and MC is much more likely the former than the latter and no, it imo doesn’t indicate at all lack of love or romanticism. Obv. everyone’s mileage will vary.
Nono, that’s not my point, what I was trying to say is that you have to close an eye with holidays specials and the like. Seven’s was another window into their stressed out mind, while Blake’s was a way to show you they’re not an actual asshole. I explained it badly, but this was what I meant. Situational scenes. Seven isn’t lovey dovey bc he’s stupid scared and Blake is hands-on9k because he actually likes you.
I don’t remember the line, but either way you can’t just take the one sentence and disregard everything else.
Sdfkls sure but I don’t know, this key of lecture feels completely wrong because a) this is Seven still figuring out their shit b) I feel like this goes into mental health grounds, so ignoring the healing process gives me the ick.
We’ll have to agree to disagree. Like if Seven went ahead and partied all night long maybe I would have had the feeling of wtf are you doing buddy, but they quite literally locked themselves in their room and were alone. They also say the idea of MC being with someone else makes them want to die. So I really don’t see it.
I really thought that pov would actually put the ppl who believe Seven is romantically into Avina at ease, because Amy literally spells it out for those who are bent on misinterpreting the relationship but here we are… Like, Seven literally says they don’t feel like that for Avina. They’re also annoyed at Avina for being too touchy feely with them while MC’s there. Not to mention how they were also kinda irked by some weird comments Avina made about MC and the band. At this point idk what ppl want this early on…
Amy doesn’t have to spell out everything in her writing because a lot of things are pretty obvious if you know the characters. And while yeah certain things are up to interpretations, characters relationships (among others) aren’t, and Amy cleared out those topics many many times on tumblr - and even on patreon through the q&a and povs.
I also think you’re a bit too hung up over that Valentines Special. Amy even clarified that it’s not what’s literally going to happen. It was a short snippet meant to give a feel of the route. How Seven would at first try not to be as clingy and dependent on MC, thinking it’s best course of action so they wouldn’t repeat the past, but that eventually they will realize it’s not and that it’s unhealthy.
I think in the past I said something like “people who are unsure about Seven might want to wait and see how the plot develops and, if they like it, pursue them” but now I feel like if you’re so adamant Seven is a puppet made to make MC feel like shit and they’re meant to be with Avina then just… focus on the other ros? There’s so much good food on the menu, you don’t have to make yourself miserable for literally no reason.
“But the plot throws them at you” Just ignore them or choose the petty route idk. I roll my eyes whenever I see Maya’s name on page, but I just scroll past and call it a day.
Edit, Sev POV spoilers:
This too! Although I bet some people took it as Seven not wanting Avina to out their relationship or flirting or something
It’s hard to overstate how unhealthily obsessive over MC Seven is. I fully understand why they’re so abjectly terrified of falling back into the same patterns of behavior and why they were trying (and failing) to put some distance between them and MC in the Valentine’s short.
LOL i mean if that’s how they interpret it then i’m sorry there’s no hope for them. Because Seven literally says they moved on from MC (sure jan lol) but not with Avina. Like, i lost count of the number of times in this POV that Amy was trying to drive home the fact that Seven likes Avina platonically but isn’t above using them to make MC jealous…
Also I’m sorry but I don’t get the bit about authors not having a say in how readers should interpret things? Because sure, you should be free to roleplay like you desire, that’s the core of this sort of media, but also if the author states a fact you can’t just go “nope, you’re wrong.”
I love headcanons and I’m all for having fun, but if the creator says the box is black you can’t say no it’s actually white. If you want Seven to be an asshole you’re free to go ahead, stating they are an asshole is a different thing.
I chuckled a little bit because I just remembered Amy went ahead and added the scene at the end of the demo where Seven goes “I still care about you” or something like that and idk at this point I’m taking it the funny route.
skjdksj I’m sorry my adhd makes it really hard for my explanations to make sense most of the time my brain just goes brrr
I don’t know what she could even say at this point. There would be no point to lying about something like that, as it would piss a lot of people off, and everything we’ve seen so far, from the demo to the Tumblr asks to the Patreon extras, supports Amy’s assertion that Seven and Avina’s friendship has deep rooted issues and that it most definitely isn’t a love triangle.