I kind of take offence at the way this is worded, unless it’s a joke lol. I’ve seen PLENTY of immature man-children in my life.
Seven would be immature, man or woman, as their personality & feelings are tied to who they are. Not their sex.
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Isn’t she though?
Sure but the male immaturity would express itself differently. A petty guy would shit talk them and say thet were nothing without him and brag about how his new band was way better. The passive agressive coded messages seems more feminine.
That’s just sexist stereotype. Men are very much capable of passive-aggressive shit too. If you haven’t been subjected to it then count yourself lucky.
Or by insistently pressing a narrative which ignores the facts in favor of painting the group that the narrator isn’t the part of as worse. And at some point the confirmation bias starts kicking in.
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Stereotypes become stereotypes by way of common experience. A stereotype is often but not always the case.
No, stereotypes are pretty much never the case (are usually inaccurate as hell) and come down to confirmation bias and self-reinforcement. There is no shortage of male artists (or artists of any gender for that matter because love and relationships are the most common motif in music) that write song after song about their exes.
100% a sexist stereotype.
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Lol, coy? No, I”m being pragmatic. Me acting a certain way in response to how I understand someone else’s actions isn’t them forcing my hand. They may have been best friends but they’re their own people and not in Seven’s head. So when Seven initially goes along with the demotion and outwardly appears as if everything is fine, what other logical conclusion is the band supposed to come to?
Also, as it stands, we don’t even know how the vote actually went down. Whether, for example, it was presented as an already done deal essentially conspired by the other 4 members of the band or a mere suggestion based on analytics with room for discussion and negotiation would change how I would react to it.
Does Seven not say that they’re better off in their new band without MC on the balcony at that party?
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What is it, then? If i know that by taking a swing at you i’ll cause you jump back, and i take that swing, am i not making you jump back? If the alternative is some theoretical possibility that the person would instead act unreasonably and/or out of their character (in response to my actions) then that’s not being pragmatic. It’s just shirking responsibility.
Not really true if stereotypes were not often but not always true they wouldn’t persist. People would form other generalizations.
My point was i think a more stereotypically masculine response would be insisting their new band was better not that they were better off. Just superior and more sucessful in every way shape and form.
I literally just proved this generalization about female music artists is not true. There are countless male artists that make passive aggressive song after passive aggressive song about their exes. Pick anyone in the top 10. But I can name 10 for you right now.
Justin Bieber, John Mayer, Drake, Bruce Springsteen, Kanye West, Future, The Weeknd, Post Malone, Charlie Puth, Eminem, etc etc.
And that’s just off the top of my head. lol.
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But you don’t know that I’ll jump back, that’s the thing. I might swing at you in return, I might stand there and take it, my reflexes might not even kick in in time to react.
If, theorectically, even if it’s within my character to jump back, then, as I said, the context around why and how you swung at me would change how I would react.
I’d say stereotypes persist because they oversimplify identities and ideas and reaffirm our biases, not because there’s any particular truth to them. My experience is that men can and will be just as passive aggressive as you claim women to be, and women can and will be just as harsh.
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That’s why i talked specifically about situations where your other reactions were unreasonable and/or not something that would be expected of you. If you can reasonably expect certain reaction to your action, then causing this reaction is on you. It’s not something the other person just performed out of the blue and without any push from your side.
If you are aware that by demoting a person you’ll very likely cause them to leave the group you’re both part of, and you go ahead and do it, then you at the very least accept (if not desire, the affected person can suspect either) this likely outcome of your action. In the sense the (high) possibility of this happening didn’t prevent you from providing the push.
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I don’t think plausible reaction = forced, though. Sure, they can (and should) recognise that Seven wants to lead vocally as they always have, and removing them from that position may have its consequences, but that’s why I keep circling back to the context that we don’t have yet. How they went about it will obviously change how the whole ordeal is perceived, by Seven/MC and the player.
All we know is that the vote happened, Seven went along with it, stayed in the band for a little while and pretended it was fine, and then shit hit the fan at the party. I don’t interpret that as Seven being forced into doing anything. Perhaps being honest about their feelings might have caused the vote to go differently. We don’t know.
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It’s ironic how these points echo Seven’s estranged father’s expectations in a way – pushing M!Seven to toughen up and F!Seven to embrace femininity. (All of which I disagree with and frankly think of it as an outdated way of thinking) Literally anyone of any gender can and do act however way they want no matter the social…restrictions? Expectations? Both? Anyways, they aren’t in low numbers. I honestly feel like I’m arguing along the topic of women don’t need to be in the kitchen and men aren’t the sole breadwinners this is how…regressive these statements seem.
In addressing gender stereotypes or stereotypes in general, I think it’s essential to recognize the complexity beyond generalizations. Insisting stereotypes persist due to their often being true oversimplifies a nuanced topic. Many are ingrained from birth, shaping perceptions, I don’t think it’s so much reliant on nature as it is nurture. Societal conformity may result from pressure, not true nature, risking potential backlash for those who deviate. Those who do deviate, I don’t think are outliers either.
Additionally, gender expectations differ across cultures and locations. Some parts may align with Western stereotypes, while others emphasize equality and equal opportunities.
On a less formal note, it seems a bit wild to say this on an IF that I’d say is generally progressive. Plus, I could easily pull up plenty of social media examples of men breaking these so given stereotypes and channeling their inner T. Swift post-breakups (the ones where they admit to cheating and then revert to their terrible twos, throwing a tantrum, and victimizing themselves are especially humbling)
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Ooooh, Seven suffering. Delicious. My favorite. I adore Seven to bits, and that is why they must suffer. ^-^
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I loved Orion’s POV! He is such a dork and so adorable. He’s already in deep for the MC and doesn’t even know it, it’s delicious.
I’m really enjoying his dynamic with the MC, the relationship feels mature, full of support and understanding and that’s what my poor ex!Seven MC needs, to heal and move on with someone as caring as Orion. My MC doesn’t openly flirt with Orion and didn’t have a previous crush as I love the idea of them being friends first and my MC gradually developing feelings for him as the story progresses (right now it’s a lot of “what are these strange feelings” whenever Orion is around).
I think a kiss might come sooner than we expect (the man just needs some liquid courage to get loose), and then Orion will probably pull an A from Wayhaven and distance himself from the MC for awhile or put some distance between them for the sake of the band only to be unable to stay away.
All this is to say that I love Orion both as a LI and as a character. He’s such a precious meow meow that has my whole heart 
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Again, his ex must have been insane to divorce him. He is hot af, caring, hilarious in his own way. And don’t forget his pov. You know which one 
Cannot figure out what was lacking that she let someone like that walk away.
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I don’t see Orion as a RO for mc…he’s too normal for her 
but as a character he is an all round good guy. I like the fact that he always checks up on the band and is there for them as most managers are just in it for themselves.
In this business mc needs a stable person she can go to. Esp. when sh*t starts hitting the metaphorical fan haha
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She knew MC was coming that’s what 
/j. I think it was a combination of factors that lead to the divorce. From the little I understand, she is the reason Orion doesn’t want to date his clients, aka the MC, because he doesn’t want to repeat the past. Was she a singer? A coworker? Idk, I’m just glad the man is divorced 
Yeah, even as just friends, Orion is still a great influence for the MC.
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