I, the Forgotten One Release Thread (1.2) [SEQUEL WIP UNDERWAY]

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1953

That’s a convenient strawman, but i’ve never claimed Rade started his rebellion for no reason. His reason is, imo, simply desire to seize royal power which he convinced himself he deserves after years of service to the crown, that was in his view not sufficiently rewarded.

He thinks he deserves the crown more than people who are the actual rulers, because these people didn’t do a fraction of what he’s done.

You don’t know this.
Rade, I’m pretty sure, never claimed that he “deserves” the crown more than anyone else, not even in his inner monologues. But feel free to prove me wrong.

And in this, he and the usurper Marshal are very much alike.

Yes, and Ending 3 Elya and Rade are alike in:

  1. Once having cordial relationship with the Usurper
  2. Having their plans ruined by the Usurper
  3. Being at their lowest by the end of the first book because of the Usurper
  4. Wanting to kill the Usurper

Such “alikeness” can be found between any two characters.

Rade wanted Elya gone from the moment he actually took action, but he’s spent literal years i.e. far more than a book worth of time before he’s actually arrived to this decision of overthrowing the king.

You misunderstood me. Unlike the Marshal (who can feel really guilty about betraying her, if you so choose), Rade never had any qualms about hurting Elya.

You, the player, have to purposefully build up envy points to even get an option to betray Elya.
The moment Rade set his eyes on the crown, Elya’s fate was decided in his mind. Whatever it was, as you believe, to decompose in some ditch or to be forced to marry him, Rade didn’t really feel anything when it came to her. No pity or guilt.

Leaving aside the Marshal’s actions are explicitly factors which potentially drive Mira to suicide

S/he tells Mira to kill herself without actually expecting her to do it, unless you believe MC to be some sort of a soothsayer, that is. And Mira’s suicide (alongside Vedran’s demise) can be “achieved” even by a Marshal who stayed loyal to Elya.

By the way, who is a worse person in your opinion…the Marshal, who killed Vedran in cold blood and then drove Mira to suicide, or the Usurper, who, despite everything, kept both alive?

It remains to be seen how long it will take the usurper to actually murder the remaining members of the royal family – from the comments of some players in this thread, they can hardly wait for this opportunity to be handed to them.

The keyword here is “players”.
The Usurper going full Stalin on people around him isn’t something that is likely to be set in stone and will be probably left up to the player to roleplay. Assuming that’s even going to be a thing in the next book.

1954

ITFO was, of course, designed to be a game with messy conflicts, wherein everyone believes themselves the hero of their own story. Even Nado believes he deserves the crown more than Rade, and that his attempt to cross the Atiming with his army and engage with the royalists is soon to be one of the greatest parts of the story of his ascension.

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1955

There’s also minor house conflicts like Jasenko the First’s son The Second and Boril Miltchev

1956

While my ending of choice is 4, I admit, being unapologetically power-hungry and even evil in these games is such a liberating experience.

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1957

Yes, it is a speculation on my part, which is why i said it’s my opinion. But with the alternative being that Rade is attempting to seize royal power he has no desire for and doesn’t feel worthy of, i think it’s reasonable theory. After all he never, not even in his inner monologues, implied anything that’d support that less likely alternative, either.

They can, but what’s your point here? A possible similarity between another pair of characters does nothing to remove the similarity which is being discussed. It’s a red herring.

My point was, that Rade’s “envy point building” and “guild stage” have potentially happened off-screen, in the period of time not covered by the book. We only get to see the post-coup Rade, but he had much longer time than a year to arrive to this point from his initial stance of faithful vassal. A stance he, like Marshal, has more or less maintained until the moment he launched his coup.

Yes, it can be done by any Marshal. But your point was that, “unlike Rade the Marshal doesn’t murder any family members” when they very well can do exactly that. And plenty of Marshals in various people’s playthroughs do exactly that. So this point of difference between Rade and the Marshall will only be true for a small subset of the Marshals.

That’s a tough question. I think it ultimately comes down to motives behind these actions (which you didn’t include, so i can’t form any real opinion, i’m afraid). That said, i’d note i find it unlikely for the Usurper to keep their imprisoned family members alive for long. But certainly it’d be one of possible ways to play.

1958

My guy

I murdered a prince and threatened a bishop with death

I’m definitely the good guy

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1959

Apologies if this question has been asked previously. I just wanted to know how many chapters were available to read before the release (the demo).

1960

The open alpha prior to the confirmation of a release date was up to Chapter 8. After that, it was cut down to 3 chapters, which is the same length as the demo on the HG website.

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1961

I mean, the one prince was becoming a borderline psychopath and planning on handing over the Marshal and Elya to the enemy, while under the delusion that this would somehow benefit him, oh and had people beat the living heck outta your surogate dad figure.

And wasnt the Bishop all “For some extra ‘donations’, we can easily reinstate your honor. Which could very well make you eligible for the throne.” Said person should have zero authority in any institution. :joy:

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1962

He really said

“A queen? Nahhh buddy we can make you king. No girls allowed.”

And I said

“Or i could just kill you”

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1963

But we also need to consider that at this point Elya is an incompetent ruler that was willing to do anything the Marshall wanted her to do, so should the Marshall ask for her to accept any kind of truce with Rade, I dont see how she would refuse.

1964

Fair, she could accept but nothing forbiden her to regret the decision, and change her mind.
“What a tragedy, his Grace has accidentally felt to a random sword for a total of 12 times.”

Marshal Javor:“I made an act of public service”.

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1965

Vedran’s death, since it happens in a single combat in the throne room with no other witnesses, could be (and one could argue is) viewed as self-defense—which is why no one (except Mira) really faults the Marshal over it. Whether Vedran is an actual threat to a fully armed, fully rested Marshal in single combat is another story (and then there is also the intent behind his attack: at low respect he’s fighting to kill the Marshal [unsuccessfully, but the intent is there], and at high respect he’s attempting suicide-by-Marshal when he attacks them).

Also, on a semi-related note: when the royalists take back Wrido Castle after easily entering the city, there is a choice for the Marshal and co. to enter bloodlessly and only kill anyone who resists (but the Marshal posits that just seeing the fully armed Marshal, Obren, and Darin and their troops is enough to scare people into not resisting), or to kill everyone in their path to Vedran. This choice takes place before the Marshal faces Vedran alone. Did anyone take the second option? I have never had the heart to do so, even on my Ending 3 run (and the Marshal I played as was definitely a worse person than most iterations of the Marshal and probably worse than most iterations of the Ending 3 Marshal; Milon was right to be wary when Lada was interested in him and [the Marshal] reciprocated her feelings).

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1966
Do you mean this option?

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If so, I chose it, but nobody dared to oppose them, so there was no bloodshed.

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My Marshal (Ending 2) was pissed at Vedran, so he didn’t mind using force and violence if anyone tried to stop him (he really wanted to kill Vedran, but ultimately couldn’t end his brother’s life, so he locked him up instead).

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1967

Yeah, that’s the one. I suppose I misremembered. So either way no one resists the royalists’ retaking of Wrido Castle (so no one dies at the Marshal’s/their men’s hands during the incursion). It makes sense–the canonical Marshal is always pragmatic with their bloodshed; they only possibly destroy the village because they need the supplies and not because they enjoy it. The same goes for ordering the whole cavalry to run down routed rebels–they do it because more dead rebels mean that more of their troops will live to see another day, not because they enjoy the sight of fleeing rebel peasant levies being harried by light cavalrymen and trampled by heavy cavalrymen.

Out of all the possible strategies and outcomes for the Battle of the Atiming, the Atiming River Massacre is the only one that is hinted to have repercussions in Book 2. I forgot about that one as an example of the Marshal only engaging in pragmatic bloodshed (they aren’t happy to give the kill order in the choice between ARM and prisoner taking).

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1968

Yeah, I like this quality of Marshal. Because of said pragmatism, I played my Marshal as someone who always tries to maximize the loss of enemy forces on the battlefield. Can’t wait to see how Atiming River Massacre will bite him in the ass in the next book. :laughing:

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1969

Even for my ending 3 marshal I like this aspect of them. Even in roleplaying a villain, I don’t find omnicidal sadists to be interesting.

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1970

There are only three possible places I can think of wherein the Marshal has a chance to indulge in violence beyond what they need to do to complete their task/do what’s good for the army: punching Mira in Chapter 5 (while Mira is a reprehensible person, there is no social or tactical benefit to punching her at this time), taking out their anger on their guard (instead of simply killing him or letting Velinor kill him) when escaping Vedran’s camp in Chapter 6 (if they were captured), and killing Vedran slowly (instead of killing him quickly or knocking him unconscious and taking him prisoner) in Chapter 10. I am unsure if the guard fight in Chapter 1 counts as indulging in unnecessary violence though, since the Marshal isn’t fighting to kill at that time–but they can announce Sobik’s death (or not) to the crowd even if they don’t fight (and they can’t announce it if they lose), so they don’t have to fight in that instance (and they completed their task of telling Elya of the King’s death before the guard fight).

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1971

I thought it would be satisfying to do it when this option appeared, but it wasn’t enjoyable at all, on the contrary, it made me feel… dirty. I felt like by doing so, the MC stooped to her level, so in the end, I decided that my Marshal won’t do it. Especially when Marshal reminded her of Sobik… brr! :confounded:

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1972

I’m very surprised by this…but my Warrior Queen playthrough (5300 dead rebels) was more lethal for Nado’s army than my Disrupt their Plans playthrough (4600 dead rebels). Both times, I used the Archer Trap strategy with 3.5 Archers, obtained in the Salutis recruitment. I also warned the nobles so that they could escape Wrido in Chapter 1. I can think of two possible reasons: in WQ, Elya got back to Strength 5 by turning the tables on the greedy, bloodthirsty knight Drazen, and the royalists had squeezed Ciril of everything he was willing to give, so they had more heavy cavalry, and all the cavalry (which included 2 Light Cavalry) was fresh and rested in preparation for the rout; while in my Disrupt their Plans run, I only had 1.5 Light Cavalry and only an extra +0.5 heavy cavalry, and all the light cavalry and a quarter of the heavy cavalry was exhausted from the prior engagement before the rout (I wanted Elly to have 5 strength by the end without WQ). Now I wonder what caused the casualty difference: the number of cavalry or their readiness for combat (could I get 5000+ casualties with 1.5 Light Cavalry and 3.5 Archers with Elya at 5 Strength (heading into the Battle of the Atiming) without her becoming Warrior Queen if I don’t try to Disrupt the rebels’ Plans)?

@Bacondoneright I’m surprised that we don’t get “Roach” as a preset option (with the accompanying dialogue) for the female horse, if the Marshal has a mare.

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