Heart's Choice is Coming Dec 2nd

Jay_Tarrant · 2019-11-22T22:04:50.921Z

It really frustrates me that half the games set to be released on December 2nd allow you to play as a straight male, yet that is STILL not good enough for some people.

derekmetaltron · 2019-11-22T22:30:44.061Z

Mary_Duffy:

We don’t think that. No one thinks this. Please stop throwing these comments around. It’s not the first time you’ve suggested that these are the kinds of reasons we don’t yet have a M/F genderlocked game. Last time you clarified that these were reasons you were imputing to another user here, but that’s also not okay.

You haven’t said it, sure, but I have seen at least one mod claim to not understanding what a M/F game would look like and several posters in the past (I won’t name names out of respect for your comments) suggest or imply such a game would likely just be porn. I don’t want to say that these are reasons why as I am sure as you say that the right pitches haven’t been made yet. But I cannot pretend that things haven’t been said before, fair or otherwise. I guess I can get a little irritated when there seems to be at times such an aversion to even suggestions of such games by some audiences, irrespective of how much content there is or isn’t elsewhere. I do apologise if I have come across as too personal about it though and would hope to see civil conversation about it amidst other well deserved content for all other audiences.

trevers17:

You know, you are 100% capable of writing a game like this yourself and pitching it to COG.

I have made recent suggestions for games for M/F, V/V and even a possible F/V game elsewhere. Given that because of my dyslexia I find getting my head around Choicescript difficult I am uncertain if I can ever get them written, but I am willing to suggest them to others as needed. As to the rest of your post I am not specifically challenging anyone to create such games immediately, and most of my recent comments on the subject has been responses to some other people asking politely about the same thing. Some appear to be reading such comments as far too aggressive when they are not. I am honestly fine with waiting.

Jazz Age and Dawnfall are honestly great games so far now I am playing the demos and I lift my hat to their writers, and I am likely to give APP a try too, and the Wrestling game sounds great for its audience. I wouldn’t want I or any other players having similar feelings about possible future content to detract from all of that.

Unless prompted, this will be my last word on the matter.

trevers17 · 2019-11-22T23:07:13.417Z

derekmetaltron:

I have seen at least one mod claim to not understanding what a M/F game would look like and several posters in the past (I won’t name names out of respect for your comments) suggest or imply such a game would likely just be porn.

Mods =/= official COG staff. Mods are volunteers and do not work for COG, and their opinions are their opinions, not COG’s. Same goes for other posters. If they don’t work for COG in an official capacity, their opinions don’t represent the company’s values.

derekmetaltron:

I guess I can get a little irritated when there seems to be at times such an aversion to even suggestions of such games by some audiences, irrespective of how much content there is or isn’t elsewhere.

Because this entire forum is composed predominantly of women and LGBTQ+ individuals that are bombarded constantly with entertainment media that showcases straight men in lead roles and heterocentric romances while shunting women-centric and LGBTQ±centric storylines. The COG audience has this aversion, not COG itself. The COG audience doesn’t want games with just straight men because enough of that media exists that adding more of it is just exacerbating a problem that writing games with genderlocked women/LGBTQ±only protagonists intends to solve.

derekmetaltron:

I have made recent suggestions for games for M/F

What you’ve done and continue to do is comment on any topic/thread/media about HC with complaints that a M/F isn’t being released yet. I’ve seen nearly every post you’ve made on these topics and none of them contained any ideas, only complaints directed at Mary and other official COG employees about the fact that they aren’t publishing a M/F game yet.

derekmetaltron:

Some appear to be reading such comments as far too aggressive when they are not. I am honestly fine with waiting.

It’s not that you’re being aggressive. The issue is that you continue to comment on HC topics complaining about the lack of M/F games even though Mary explained multiple times that the only reason they aren’t yet publishing a M/F game is because one hasn’t been pitched to them. So regardless of your intentions, what’s actually happening is that you are constantly raising a complaint that’s been addressed ad nauseum.

I sympathize regarding your dyslexia, but again, if your desire for a M/F is strong enough to compel you to comment on every single piece of HC thread with complaints about the lack of M/F representation, then either write one yourself or post ideas for HC in the Interest Check Thread. Your current method is doing nothing more than creating an issue where one never needed to exist.

Akm · 2019-11-22T23:10:35.839Z

Oh my apologies. I am indeed not a native English speaker. And thanks for explaining.

Alice-chan · 2019-11-22T23:11:54.158Z

its like… there are a million M/F VNs out there…

resuri08 · 2019-11-22T23:14:52.162Z

Hi everyone,

Please return to the HC topic at hand and please avoid dogpiling the M/F topic further since this not related to HC discussion anymore.

Thank you.

trevers17 · 2019-11-22T23:18:24.711Z

Good call. I’ll track down a thread on this topic and link the discussion over there.

derekmetaltron · 2019-11-22T23:25:55.879Z

trevers17:

Mods =/= official COG staff. Mods are volunteers and do not work for COG, and their opinions are their opinions, not COG’s. Same goes for other posters. If they don’t work for COG in an official capacity, their opinions don’t represent the company’s values.

Ah, my bad. Apologies to implying any actual staff said such things then.

I have actually suggested some genres which might suit a M/F romance game before like superhero, space smuggler and also thought about a French Resistance game with a female protagonist, so I have made suggestions previously. I would understand if they have been buried amidst other posts though! But I might well do what you suggest in the long term. And thanks for your sympathy over my dyslexia.

Alice-chan:

its like… there are a million M/F VNs out there…

Where, though? Every time this is mentioned I know it’s no where I am aware of. Visual Novels aren’t the same as COG games anyway.

resuri08:

Please return to the HC topic at hand and please avoid dogpiling the M/F topic further since this not related to HC discussion anymore.

Sure thing boss!

Anathema · 2019-11-22T23:57:18.033Z

I have tried the Pirate’s Pleasure and it completely won me over. The writing style is beautiful, I like how it described how the MC feels while standing on a ship. The wind ruffling our hair, or the saltwater on our cheek. It made me immerse in the world without overwhelming me with terms and names I’m not familiar with - and the terms it did use, like crow’s nest, were easy to deduct the meaning.

The MC is a bit defined, which makes sense since we’re always a pirate queen, but there is still enough choices and interactions to make her our own. I always love when I can be a sarcastic smart-mouth in games and this one does not disappoint.

The characters so far are also great. I was afraid, since it’s marked as a romance game, that the characters who aren’t romance options wouldn’t feel developed. But I was wrong. I really felt like we had a crew, not just some nameless faces who do our bidding. Rose especially stood out to me, I was happy another female character is getting some attention.

It’s still early, but the theme of Order vs Freedom is always one I’m interested in and it seems so far that it’s handled well. My pirate will be all for the lawless walk of life, but I like how (apparently) we can eventually choose the other way.

As for the romance options themselves, all I can say is that I can’t wait to meet captain Black We haven’t met him yet, but I already know he will be the one

My only “criticism” (using the word very loosely) it’s how, even though I picked right away that I had no interest in the governor whatsoever, sometimes the text still implied my MC was attracted to him.

Other than that, great demo that made me stay up way past my bedtime and I can’t wait for the full game!

AChubbyBlackCat · 2019-11-23T01:21:31.332Z

Another thought just occurred to me. Will the Heart’s Choice subsection of the forums have another subsection dedicated to HC’s Works in Progress?

StarWarsMaster · 2019-11-23T01:30:13.584Z

Also I have a question how old are each the mcs in each game?

Vertigo · 2019-11-23T01:40:28.775Z

I saw the icon! A heart-shaped CoG logo is very sweet. I’m looking forward to the first batch of games and the following launches.

RoAnnaSylver · 2019-11-23T01:48:27.168Z

The MC’s age isn’t really specified in Dawnfall, except that you’re younger than Aeon, who would be like mid-30s in human years! (And over the age of consent for your species. For sexy alien reasons.)

Mary_Duffy · 2019-11-23T01:51:52.915Z

Maybe. 98% of COG games are not posted as works in progress. The same will likely be the case for HC.

AChubbyBlackCat · 2019-11-23T01:52:46.615Z

Fair point.

Thanks for the answer!

Morphine · 2019-11-23T02:38:20.227Z

All Pro Wrestling was a fun read. Some stats were a honestly funny. I might have to read up on wrestling because I don’t know why boot size is relevant. (No correlation to the shoe size in men stereotype since the game actually asks the mc’s other size too lol)

blackrising · 2019-11-23T02:51:23.593Z

I tried all the demos, and I’m looking forward to the release. The gay wrestling was probably my least favourite, but, you know, I’m a gay woman so obviously my interest is biased.

Definitely looking forward to Dawnfall - the Ghost Queen has already captured my heart. (What can I say, she’s tall and muscular and I am predictable.)

RoAnnaSylver · 2019-11-23T03:23:57.408Z

Yay! (…and. Same. I might have written her specifically for stepping-on-me purposes lmao)

blackrising · 2019-11-23T03:31:17.875Z

(I can see you are a person of culture, as well.)

Urban · 2019-11-23T06:27:44.756Z

blackrising:

Definitely looking forward to Dawnfall - the Ghost Queen has already captured my heart. (What can I say, she’s tall and muscular and I am predictable.)

RoAnnaSylver:

I might have written her specifically for stepping-on-me purposes lmao

Is she the only woman romance? And is she the cyborg ginger from the art cover?