Guenevere (WIP)

@skulls I loved reading that! :smiley: Oh Arthur…and he genuinely thinks he’s being so open minded…sigh.

@jeantown That conversation sounds awesome! I’d definitely love to hear what kind of girl Arthur wanted. (Tell me please?) Not only to learn more about his character, but also so the living embodiment of his desires (Arthur!Guen) can be created and played. Which makes me wonder…what about Lancelot and Morgana? What would their Dream Partner be like? (Lance!Guen and Morgana!Guen are also standing by and waiting to be formed. :smile:)

On a side note, I’m beginning to believe that the Game of Thrones (which I’ve been binge-watching for the past week) writer/screenwriters are evil sadists. They create well-developed characters that I love and root for…then either kill them off horribly or make their lives a living hell (or both-many times both!)

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You realize Game of Thrones is based off a book series, so the real sadist is the author of those books, right? :stuck_out_tongue:

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@Zolataya Yeah, that would probably be the sort of thing that would result in things not going so well. :slight_smile: (Though I am trying to include at least one possible little romance moment with Lancelot in each of the three branches, at least if Guen can manage to be relatively alone with him, which may turn out to be less likely than it sounds.)

Oh, and Gawain in SGGK is the best. Polite, honorable, humble… well worth crushing on. :smile:

I ask that about my life all the time… (not really, but maybe I will now.)

Yeah, I like that idea. If it happened, it would probably be in part 5, where I intend to show the various possible relationships at their most stable. I could imagine Guen and Arthur talking about when they were first married, and how they both felt at the time.

Mostly he just wanted a wife who didn’t hate him. I don’t think he had a really specific idea of a dream-girl, but of course he’d hope that she loved Britain as much as he did, and that she’d want to be queen and to be married to him, and support his vision. Secondary desires would be that she’d be really pretty and want to have lots of sex and babies, but, as we’ve seen, he’s able to get used to the idea of the latter not happening, even if it is a disappointment for him. In his somewhat adolescent way, the best wife he could imagine would be a female clone of himself, but it never occurred to him that she might be interested in battles.

All Lancelot has ever wanted was a deep, passionate, and lifelong romance, like what his mothers have. He’s always been open to that kind of romance happening with anyone, and back when he was more innocent, he would have loved the idea of it happening with the last person anyone would expect (least of all him). Unlike Arthur, who was probably hoping for a clone of himself, Lancelot would dream of someone different from himself, someone who would challenge and surprise him. He can find something beautiful and interesting in just about anyone. By the beginning of part 1, that openness has taken him into some questionable territory, but it started out as a more admirable trait.

As for Morgana, her dream partner would be someone who supports her, and who appreciates her support. She’s always tried hard to be a good person, but the world hasn’t made it easy for her, and her efforts tend to go unappreciated. The main reason she’s so loyal to Arthur is that he does see her as a good person. Morgana’s not very romantic, but she does dream of having a partner who really is a partner; someone who would work alongside her to make good things happen.

I had to stop reading the books, and never watched the show. GRRM deserves a lot of credit for making so many great characters, but I just can’t handle the pessimism. Yes, the ā€œrealā€ world can be a terrible place where terrible things happen to good people, but I believe there is always room for hope, and fiction is one of our greatest reminders of that. A story with no sense of hope has no appeal for me.

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I know, right? Preserve a little light instead of snuffing them all out, goodness knows we have enough of that as it in our real world.

More on topic, I hope to one day write as well as you do. That is merely pointing out fact, by the bye.

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Hope!!! puff :wink: sarcastic smirk I don’t like hope in books mostly. I want chaos, charisma,passion, murders and poetry. Hope is boring and bland. Shakespeare gruesomes dramas!! Everyone dies in a poisonous betrayal

@Taylor_Enean Thank you! Please write things that I can read/play! :smile:

@poison_mara But Shakespeare carries (to me) such a strong sense that life is worth living, even when bad things happen, and an even stronger sense that life has meaning. Hamlet is about something (a lot of things) more than just the story and all the deaths. And Shakespeare has so much exuberance and joy. I’m not saying that stories shouldn’t be about bad things – sure, pile on the murders! – but I just can’t agree with Martin’s apparent attitude that life has no higher purpose or meaning. I want meaningful murders, and Martin’s are exactly the opposite – meaningless; just there to shock the reader and nothing else. It’s a lesser form of murder in every way.

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I have written a partly finished thing. Can’t really put it up until the competition with the even less complete version on here concludes (end of the month). However, it’s just a silly spoof game, so be prepared. :sweat_smile:

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Yeah, My main criticism to his work I read first one only. In Spanish and later in English. He created a well crafted universe but Characters are just puppets in a string, many of the political plotting is plainly stupid and the murders are just there to address teens. Shakespeare could and was more brutal, but same time there is a passion for life and human emotions. Martin is plain and simple totally incapable of creating empathy with his characters. And Stark family is so boring hell I just wanna die with all their hypocrisy…

Interesting, I’ve always found that GRRM shows great empathy and understanding with all his characters, whether he’s writing from the POV of a grizzled bitter old man or a young girl. Sure there are stakes, but I don’t think that means his stories are devoid of hope or happiness. I’ve always thought that one of the main themes of ASOIAF was how the oppressed and the unlikely can steal power from the ones running the system. But I guess the beauty of fiction is that everyone takes something different from it.

Anyway, back to Guenevere, and I’ve been thinking about how Elaine will integrate into the story. What is her general personality like? Will she seek out Guen’s friendship and how does she feel about marrying Lance? Sorry if this has been answered before. She always gets sidelined or killed off in traditional Arthurian literature :joy:

It’s been mentioned a few times that Morgana isn’t very romantic, so how exactly does that manifest itself? I mean obviously I doubt anyone sees her busting out a love sonnet or making any grand gestures but what about other stuff? Is she likely to fall in love? If she does is she just unlikely to say the words? Would she show affection in other more subtle ways or avoid that kind of thing as much as possible?

Basically I love Morgana and any discussion of her characterization is A+ in my books. :’)

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Forgive me, if this seems like a stupid question, but is Lancelot really in love with (or attractive to) Guenevere? Or is it possible that the lust spell and magic dreams are making him think that?

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I don’t want to give away too much of Elaine’s personality just yet, but I have known for a long time exactly what she would be like. She matters a lot to me personally (perhaps more than any other character I have planned for the series). She will indeed seek out Guen’s friendship – or at least, she’ll try to begin their relationship with a show of good will, and she’ll hope that Guen will respond. The surface-level answer to ā€œhow does she feel about marrying Lancelotā€ is ā€œgrateful,ā€ because the alternative would not have been a good situation for her. But it’s complicated. :slightly_smiling:

Mostly, as you’re saying, that she’s not likely to have much interest in love-poems or gazing into someone’s eyes by candlelight (unless maybe she thinks those things are really important to the person she’s involved with, but they don’t come naturally to her). I do think she’s able to fall in love, in the romantic sense, but she might not recognize it as such, and yeah, it might take her a while to say so. (She doesn’t like being vulnerable.) And even if she does fall in love with someone, she’ll always know that her life wouldn’t end if she lost them – she’s not an ā€œI can’t live without youā€ kind of person. She’s an ā€œI would really rather not live without you, because my life is much better with you in itā€ kind of person. She tends to show affection in practical ways, like taking care of someone when they’re sick.

That’s not a stupid question at all. It’s going to be an absolutely crucial question once Lancelot finds out exactly what’s going on with the spell. He’ll have to decide for himself if he’s really in love with Guen or not… and Guen will have to decide if she believes he is, and if she’s really in love with him. His decision can go either way, depending on what their relationship is like. The only way to know for 100% sure, of course, would be to break the spell. It will be possible to break the spell and have Lancelot still be in love with Guen (just maybe with a few less physical sparks), but that’s not necessarily how things will always play out. So I guess the answer to your question is, Lance will really be in love with some Guens, and not with others.

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Could my poison queen apparently destroyed the spell, but in fact keep him with an emotional leash, that could be useful to turn him against hippie. Even if my girl doesn’t love or touch him at all

What if Lancelot decides he is not really in love with Guen, but Guen decides that she is in love with him?

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And to follow up on @Aquila_De_Owl here:

Presumption: Spell is broken neither Gwen nor Lancelot are in love with one another, but attracted.
Query: Would the story potentially allowed them to fall in love at this point?

Reason for asking: It would be utterly amazing - but potentially a moat-load of work for you.

Care/Dare to give it your best guesstimate? :relaxed:

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I’m pretty certain the answer to your question is ā€˜yes’. @Jeantown has already said that she doesn’t intend to lock anyone out of a romance this early in the story - if you want to wait until Part 5 before actually initiating a romance with someone, then you’ll probably be able to (assuming you haven’t botched your relationship with them, like making Lance call you ā€˜your majesty’).

Since the spell can be broken at the end of Part 2 (I believe), it should definitely be possible to ā€˜fall in love’ with Lance after that point.

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Ah, thank you - can in all honesty say I have so not read this entire thread. :sweat_smile:

No worries! I’ve been here since the beginning, and I’ve got a pretty decent memory, so I usually remember the important stuff. :slight_smile:

I’m back- and now there’s another 500 posts not to read :wink:
And no matter how many love interests you add, Morgana will allllllwaysssss be the best :smile:

Meh. Morgana remains my least favorite romance in this game… >.>

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