College Tennis: Origin Story (WIP) - Updated 8 Jun '25 [968k words]

could just replace from to is(she is Rajasthani) :thinking:

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Hello. I just read the January dev log. I’m assuming we can’t participate in both the mixed doubles and the regular doubles. Can I ask if the mixed doubles is more prestigious in some way? I’m assuming we’ll have to do really well to get picked over the top 3.

This also has me wondering if we get picked for mixed doubles will Rayyan and Tobin be the regular doubles partners? Or maybe coach will stick to the tried and tested Tobin and Deepal.

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Agreed, I’m so torn on this…

On the one hand, I want to do the mixed doubles with Felix and go against Sam and her partner but on the other hand… Be and Rayyan continuing our undefeated streak would be pretty GOAT’ed.

Decisions… Decisions…

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On this note, this is a bit of a silly question, but would it be possible to make the ā€œfree tierā€ posts simply, well, public? Not everybody wants to register (and some can’t), especially with a company which already got in a lawsuit over illegally selling their user data to third parties, as Patreon did.

(if the ā€œfree tierā€ actually benefits the creator then please disregard this)

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Decided to re-read after a long while and I still greatly enjoy this story as well as all the new content! Will definitely keep coming back :]

However, I’m a bit confused about something - I don’t seem to have gotten any opportunities to commit to Rayyan (?). I didn’t see the ā€œ[Commit to (X)]ā€ label anywhere at any point. I briefly browsed this thread and iirc someone mentioned big commitment scenes for all routes except G, but I don’t recall seeing anything like that.

The update post said it was possible to end the current demo in a committed relationship with the chosen RO, did I run into a bug or did I somehow accidentally miss something? D:

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However, I’m a bit confused about something - I don’t seem to have gotten any opportunities to commit to Rayyan (?). I didn’t see the ā€œ[Commit to (X)]ā€ label anywhere at any point. I briefly browsed this thread and iirc someone mentioned big commitment scenes for all routes except G, but I don’t recall seeing anything like that.

Did you go to the party at Tobin’s after the ESU matches, and did you look for Rayyan there after the Devil’s Dozen? That’s how I did it, though I haven’t replayed the update yet and I’m not sure if there are other ways to do it.

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Fashionably late as always, I caught up with the updates - and it looks like there’s another one on the horizon, yay! You keep delivering consistently high-quality writing, and it’s always a pleasure to catch up with what’s going on at Cargill.

I enjoyed the little edits you’ve made to the secondary characters: the bit you added with Coach Sỳ at the beginning is a nice introduction to her and to the relationship she’ll have with MC, while the small interactions with Max and Blake sprinkled throughout the first chapters outline them better as characters and friends. I no longer feel like we’re dropping them to hang with the cooler kids anymore – nicely done! And Max’s pinky promise before the challenge match is exactly the kind of light-hearted but warm interaction that I’ve come to expect from your characters.

While I was a bit disappointed that I could no longer beat Rayyan in the 5-mile relying on Condition alone, it did feel like cheating on my part with 7% endurance, so I can’t really pout about your decision (it’s also an excuse to tinker with a different build, even if I’ve grown attached to my original big-whack-makes-point character).

The tennis matches were thrilling, and once again I want to praise you for how different they felt: my Serve-and-Volleyer was on a roll in the doubles with Rayyan (take that, Carlos – I’m sure there’s zero risk of any trash-talking coming to bite us in the backside in the return match in NY) but then found himself in the fight of his life with Emilio. That victory felt hard-earned through sheer grit and stubbornness.

(Special shout-out to Coach Jones and his ā€œHave you tried not getting tired?ā€ pep talk to my 10%-endurance MC, who was sadly unable to grow a third lung in time to win the second set).

Turning down the ROs was the gut punch I expected. I did not expect to be gut-punched again when Sam made a second attempt (though I should feel horrible for what I put him through). I have to say, however, that the tone of the different scenes with him felt a bit inconsistent during my playthrough.

Let me begin by saying that this is an absolute beast of a chapter: I don’t even want to imagine how many variables and possible interactions you were juggling together; you put a lot of hard work behind it and it shows.

I think that there were two main issues I ran into while playing: the first one stems from the expectations I had coming into this chapter, while the other has to do with the continuity between different scenes.

In my playthrough, I went for a clueless MC who had feelings for Sam, but never admitted it to himself. I felt that this was something that the game was allowing me to do in the first chapters: I picked a couple of heart options at the beginning, but they were choices that could be easily misunderstood for strong friendship, or mostly implying feelings on Sam’s part alone (choices like ā€œI would have come to California with youā€ or ā€œSam stares at you for a long time, as though there’s something he’d like to tell you, but can’t seem to find the wordsā€).

During Sam’s visit, however, every option in the three scenes that force a choice about MC’s relationship with Sam (the garden confession, the bar confession, and the railway goodbye) implies that MC is not only aware of his feelings for Sam, but he also takes Sam’s confession in stride. There is no confusion, no ā€œoh shitā€ moment which I was expecting. It was jarring because I felt that MC had gone through some major realization off-screen.

The same thing happens if I get to the commitment scenes for the other ROs – in Rayyan’s, MC is again very clear-headed about the fact that he has feelings for Sam and Rayyan, and that he’s sacrificing one for the other.

I realize that this is a very niche scenario which, as I mentioned, is on me and the expectations I had built for myself. I am mentioning it, however, because earlier choices seemed to be allowing me to set up a ā€œSam is dumb and MC is dumberā€ scenario, and then I felt like that route was no longer supported.

If I were to have to suggest how I would address this, the easiest way would probably be to add a small scene where someone forces MC to really think about what Sam means to him. Maybe it could be added to Guillaume’s interaction while working on the essay if we choose the ā€œI’m nervous about Sam’s visitā€ option? While it could be easy to miss, I also think that it would be an option easily chosen by players on that route.

Another possibility that I think could work could be maybe if a round of Emerson’s ribbing hits home and forces MC to think ā€œwait, but this is what friends act around each other, isn’t it?ā€.

I am afraid, however, that this would also force you to add some additional variables before the Empire matches – I think that an MC who just went through ā€œMaybe I am in love with my best friendā€ might be a bit more self-conscious about his physical interactions with Sam, and in general would be noticeably more hesitant.

(Honestly, the way I was anticipating Sam’s confession to go was having a clueless!MC happily share with Sam that he had kissed someone else, only to get a horrified/devastated/angry reaction from Sam, but that’s probably best left to a Regency AU fanfiction).

The second issue I had is still related to rejecting Sam: I felt that his reactions were a bit inconsistent across different scenes. For instance, if we go to the party, avoid the garden confession, and later go to the bar with Sam, he is understandably angry and sad after being rejected and wants to sleep on the mattress. All good so far (except for my heart, but, I mean, I only have myself to blame for this fictional mess).

Then, in the dormitory room, D asks if they had a good time: MC nods and smiles at Sam as if nothing bad had happened (I just ripped his heart apart, Diego, no biggie). MC jokes with Sam before going to sleep, and Sam jokes back while mentioning our future visit to SCSU (implying that he’d be happy to see us again). Sam keeps being very friendly with MC and mentions plans to see each other again until he leaves the dormitory room for the last time.

After that, Sam and MC run into Rayyan and Deepal (I had committed to Rayyan earlier) and now Sam can’t look MC in the face and doesn’t even answer Deepal’s ā€œI hope to see you againā€(which seems to imply that he’s not looking forward to meeting MC again). I can understand Sam trying to put on a brave face and acting like nothing happened to enjoy the weekend; I can also understand why his mood would nosedive after running into the committed RO and, in general, I can imagine that he’s having trouble handling his own emotions (which are probably all over the place given what’s happened), however, the impression I got while reading was less ā€œSam is confusedā€ and more ā€œthis is the standard happy-weekend-text and there’s no contextual text to account for Sam’s rejectionā€.

This was even more apparent when I reloaded a save, tried rejecting Sam in the garden (jail for Bracco! Jail for Bracco for a thousand years!), and Sam still wanted to snuggle with MC in the same bed. It was possible for me to select any of the hearts options, and even have MC kiss Sam – their first kiss, with no special reaction from Sam. This definitely felt like I had accidentally stumbled on the romanced-Sam route.

I can’t help but feel that rejecting Sam should either put us on a whole different path for the weekend (one involving some pretty heavy conversations), or that there should be a lot of reactive text to take that into account, since – unlike the other ROs – Sam is around us for the entire weekend.

In general, I feel that with his confession (whenever it happens), Sam is putting himself in a very vulnerable position. He’s letting out feelings he’s kept secret for years, and he’s doing it on MC’s turf: Sam has nowhere to retreat to to digest a rejection. He – quite literally – can’t hide from this conversation and its fallout, and I honestly think that no matter how happy-go-lucky Sam is, the happy weekend scenes are tonally incompatible with a playthrough that includes a rejection of Sam in the garden or at the bar.

My unprompted suggestion to address all this would be to have Sam waiting to confess until the very last moment (at the railway station) so that a rejection won’t impact the rest of the events of the week as much. The other possible confession (in the garden and in the bar) could be player-initiated with a choice that allows us to control if Sam comes forward or not (something like ā€œSam takes a deep breath. MC, I need to tell you somethingā€ vs ā€œSam takes a deep breath… but doesn’t say anythingā€). This would allow us players to ā€œguideā€ what happens (so that we can still commit to his route and get the romanced scenes).

I have to admit I’m not entirely happy with this suggestion because it cuts into Sam’s growth as a character (he’s back to hoping that the stars will magically align on their own, even if a bit of initial chickening-out on his part would be realistic), and it doesn’t really solve the fact that a player could still want to reject Sam as soon as possible for the drama, but I think it’s the one that wouldn’t require some heavy rewriting.

There are also later scenes where I was expecting a rejection to have an impact (for instance, when Sam messages saying that he’s back in LA, or when MC has the chance to call him during the week). Whatever the circumstances, MC hurt his best friend, and it felt a bit strange not checking in with him (or maybe have a bit saying something like ā€œYou’d like to ask Sam how he’s handling things, but you’re scared to poke at a still fresh wound. You end up sending a self-effacing ā€œare we good?ā€ text that he replies to with a thumbs-upā€).

On the other hand, I really liked that MC can choose to open up with Tobin about rejecting Sam – I was afraid MC was about to explode if he kept keeping everything inside.

(And as an aside, the fact that Sam is obsessed with LOTR, with its whole theme of ā€œthings are changing and we can’t go back to how they wereā€ is making me feel things on this rejection playthrough.)

To reiterate: I know that this chapter was a lot of work, and I really don’t want you to get the wrong idea by finding a thousand words of me tsk-tsking from my high horse because the choices I made in the game didn’t play out as I thought they would. I am aware I was following an uncommon route, and I don’t expect the game to always fit with what I’d like it to do. If you’d rather I didn’t make suggestions, just let me know. I had a lot of fun while playing and I’ll never stop thanking you for deciding to share this world with us.

(I also saw your outline for a possible trilogy and I love it. Please never stop writing)

Okay, I think I typed enough for one comment. I hope you took breaks while reading.

Tl;dr (Felix’s summary): The update is very good. Some continuity hiccups, but eh.

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Another one, is 85 the highest grade?

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Yes, I made my mc talk to him every time I saw an option to do that. After the kiss Rayyan immediately left the party in that scene, though D:

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For what’s worth, i think you can have the smoothest sort of ā€œtransitionā€ from clueless to aware MC if you take the ā€œgreyā€ option of ā€œfriendlyā€ sharing the bed on the first night together as friends and then keep delaying and stalling making actual commitment until the final moment at the train station. (don’t pick a talk with Sam at Saturday party so they don’t get opportunity to force the issue early, mingle or approach other ROs instead) This way you get MC who isn’t blackhole level dense about their feelings the entire time, but it still does take them considerable effort to overcome their fear of acknowledgement/commitment, between the moment they do become aware and actual resolution, one way or the other.

(plus, you get an achievement out of it :v

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Looking at the January dev log, I have to admit I’m a bit miffed upon finding out the mixed doubles route and the usual doubles is confirmed to be mutually exclusive. Then again I’m not a tennis player so I dunno how doubles and mixed is supposed to not be exclusive so ehhh it’s (a bit) fine.

I really just wanna fight Sam on the court w/o ditching Rayyan permanently as a doubles partner…unless we can make it happen…?

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I don’t think we’re ditching our regular doubles partner permanently. It seems to be only for this tournament where we’ll have mixed doubles. After that it’ll be back to normal.

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You sure? I think I managed to lose with it once🫠

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It’s possible that there’s one or two options which slipped through the checks and didn’t take the beast mode into account. But it shouldn’t really be happening, at least not in the current game builds.

Also, note that there’s a match in the game where MC is scripted to lose, and at best can extend it to three sets.

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That scared me I thought beast mode was inactive when I lost but that’s good as long as it’s for the story

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Mmmh… I remember that he asked if anything was going on between my character and Sam, so maybe you only get that scene if he’s jealous?

I tried that, but if I didn’t turn Sam down at the bar then I wouldn’t get any choice at the station (he just boarded the train), so no achievement for me :frowning: I guess it’s because giving him a non-committal answer at the bar lowered my romantic score with him too much (I had picked just a handful of heart options during the game).

It’s not that I need to have a confrontation Sam in this chapter, it’s just that right now I feel it’s a bit too easy to make the ā€œwrongā€ choices and be dragged into one when you’re on your first playthrough (I expect that most players will want to spend as much time with Sam as possible).

Still, thanks for the advice!

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Yeah, that does seem to be the case - I restarted the game, raised Sam’s romance stat alongside Rayyan’s and it finally allowed me to get the ā€œdatingā€ relationship status because the jealousy scene triggered. (Some of that playthrough was pretty heartbreaking to read though, ngl… Poor Sam D:)

It’s a bit strange that my character couldn’t start dating Rayyan when he was the only one with a high romance stat. Perhaps there’s a bug of some sort somewhere?

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Anyway, I’ve also found something else that seems like a bug - after committing to Rayyan and rejecting Sam, the option to sleep on the mattress later that night was gone for some reason, I could only choose to share the bed with Sam. The option was there on my previous playthrough where I got no commitment scenes

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Yes, for the last-ditch effort from Sam, your romantic relationship with them needs to be over 35 when going to the train station. If it’s lower, Sam won’t push the issue, presumably because you didn’t give them enough signals you’re seeing this relationship as anything but platonic.

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I’m not 100% sure but I remember when the game last updated, or the time before, the author said that you could commit to relationships with SOME ROs, so maybe you can’t with Rayyan yet? It kind of makes sense for his narrative

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I too think that this is intended. Rayyan probably rushes forward if he sees Sam as competition, and takes a bit longer before making things official otherwise.

And yes, the unrequited route for Sam is… oof.

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