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A English man during the first world war had a Shocked German half bounded on sight He could just pull the trigger. But he couldn’t he was compassionate
That German was Adolf Hitler.
Yes, compassion can be terrible

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It can have unintended effects. But like… let’s say I have a cookie and I share it with some guy. Whoops, he was allergic to milk and he died. That was terrible, but was the act of sharing inherently bad or immoral?

That’s what I’m saying. Is compassion ever inherently bad? Is there such a thing as false compassion?

Is something inherently good or bad? Compassion can be inherently badReasin was only humans have it

Imagine if birds had compassion towards the snakes eating their eggs etc…
If compassion with a person means the sacrifice of thousands. Compassion is in that case inherently bad

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I think before we consider “false” compassion, and the moral and immoral potential, it would be useful to establish a common definition of compassion, as it is something of a subjective concept.

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@poison_mara that is true. I guess that’s also in alignment with how in the game, compassion is said to be a potential avenue that can allow Xaos into the world.

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In a Spanish book, there is an old differential between Sentiment and Sentimentalism
The sentiment is when you do all possible to stop your cart to avoid harm a sheep and’s in middle of a path.

Sentimentalism is were to avoid harm the sheep you kill in a crash a entire family coming other direction.

I Spanish medieval scholastic false compassion is determined. And when is just slain, someone

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It sounds like you have high empathy. That’s generally a positive thing unless others are able to use it against you. High empathy people care a great deal about the happiness of those around them, but caring about the happiness of someone out to take advantage of you like a car salesman can work against you.

When it motivates you to do something that enables self-destructive behavior and/or reinforces a psychology of dependence. There is an old Confucian saying: “Give a man a fish, feed him for a day, teach a man to fish, feed him for life.” If the root cause (lack of marketable skills, drug addiction, mental illness, etc…) isn’t addressed, and you feed him long enough that it turns into an expectation, then getting him to stand upon his own two feet will be harder, not easier, because he’s become dependent upon your generosity and has even less motivation to improve his situation then he did before. Furthermore his gratitude for all your help will pale in comparison to his anger at your refusal to bear the burden of supporting him for the rest of his life.

So it’s not that compassion is bad per say, it’s more an issue of how that compassion causes you to respond. Buying a barefoot homeless person a new pair of shoes will do no good if they sell them for drugs an hour later. And feeding someone every day can foster dependence and create a sense of entitlement unless the root cause of that hunger is also addressed. A bit of insight is needed to go along with that compassion so that the limited amount of help you are able to provide actually makes a meaningful difference.

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Does it matter? You’ve obviously not addressed their most pressing need: the addiction.

One of the main reasons I hear “don’t give money to the homeless” is “they’ll spend them on drugs”. A surprisingly cruel excuse: even if they did, that is obviously what matters to them most in that moment. You’re not checking them into rehab. You can’t judge.

Also sounds like you possibly could have autism. Hyper or hypoempathy is often a sign of it (I will not say symptom, it isn’t a disease).

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Yup.

Wagging your finger at them for their perceived failures isn’t going to help them, but neither is enabling an addiction, and those looking for drug money certainly aren’t going to level with you when they ask for money. Buying them a sandwich may not be a long term solution, but it’s not going to be repurposed towards feeding an addiction the way cash or things that are easily resellable all too often are, and it will ease their stomach rumblings long enough for you to put them in a touch with an organization able to help them further, assuming they’re willing.

The real issue here is that most people who’d like to help have limited resources, and things like addiction can turn into a singularity that easily sucks up all of the resources dedicated as those resources get misdirected towards enabling an addiction. Directing resources to where they’ll do the most good is thus important when misdirected resources can result in fewer people getting the help they need.

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This is a gentle reminder to please keep conversations directed at the topic at hand; the last few posts seem to be going far off topic here.

Thanks everyone.

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Never mind guys, I figured it out again, how to win as a 2COM/1CHA Inner Voice build while keeping all lieutenants!

I actually did very few major raids, just 1 Noble Estate and 1 Owlscap (towards the end). At the start of the Winter, I sold a mule each week to get food (and of course, brutalized the yeomen to make up the difference!) This is a different strategy than I vaguely remember using a year back, which only goes to show that there’s more than one way to optimally handle the winter!

I did 3 Breden recruitment runs and that was it. Even with Inner Voice, I was able to override her.

I finished Winter with 249 adult rebels and 450 traps, and was able to arm everyone.

I started the Act 4 Battle with 449 adult rebels (after the Brecklanders showed up), all of them armed.

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As @Laguz notes, for most desirable attributes, there’s a relevant mammal to imitate that requires less thoroughgoing change.

No, Changes don’t require the whole clan to be present. It takes a long time to transform yourself into a bear, and much of it is done on your own. The mentor(s) of a Seracca will generally pop round often enough to make sure things are progressing well and provide guidance for the next few steps, but especially after childhood, they won’t be around for every single Change. Life’s too short, even when you’re an Abhuman.

Created by the Nagyeh (or Theoi), the gods of the Abhumans, who are themselves spirits without material form.

The Seracca, unlike the Karagonds or Halassurqs, believe in ghosts, possession, and a range of disembodied spirits both friendly and hostile.

The Wild Rumpus starts.

No, I don’t know him, and from his other Atlantic pieces I know he’s much more conservative than me. But on this point I share a lot of his concerns.

I personally don’t think so – but I also think that the great compassion-traditions of Buddhism and Christianity are right that thoroughgoing compassion entails a pretty radical commitment to nonviolence and self-sacrifice, and thus a refusal of the most direct ways to end certain kinds of suffering. Reasonable people can see these things as inherently bad. My social media feeds are full of people arguing that we should forgo or severely limit our compassion for various categories of people in the name of (group or individual) self-protection or more efficient reductions in overall suffering.

Compassion also leads to challenges to the social order, which is always based on categorising certain groups of people as undeserving of compassion. And if your challenge is forceful enough to topple that social order, you may find that there are goods of order, even oppressive orders (as I saw in Afghanistan), which you miss when they’re gone.

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I want to add that I’ve heard of another school of thought on this. I read some people arguing in the other thread that 2COM builds should be very aggressive on raiding during the winter (unlike my strategy, which is very conservative). This makes some sense, because raiding is certainly one of 2COM’s comparative advantages! Then again, another advantage it has is exploiting traps, hahaha.