MC had descend into the world to save everyone
.That’s the work of the Angels, they did something which is reincarnate into MC …
While they are not listed as noble exclusive I’m having a really hard time seeing how that one would work with a helot mc that kid wouldn’t even view as basically human. But then they’re probably perverted and decadent enough to at the very least imitate a certain real-life piggy diddler. 
Maybe adopted. There’s no stigma to dynasties adopting heirs as long as they’re free folk and preferably born to the same caste.
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Wait so the Mc is an Angel?
I doubt the Thaumatarch would allow his child t9 be that decadent
Why not? You seem to have a very high opinion of the Thaumatarch.
That’s Eric’s headcanon. Havenstone’s stated(I think) that he will provide no definite answers to whether any of the religions are true or false.
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Are we reading the same game? You’ve seen what even the children of relatively minor provincial nobility, such as Hector and Calea are allowed to get away with, right? Prince(ss) nippletwister on the other hand is likely effectively above the law and presumably a very talented mage themselves.
Really I think they’d basically be allowed to be as depraved and decadent as they want to be and given the Hegemony’s standards in that area the amount of decadence in the Thaumatarch’s court is likely to make even today’s Russian and Chinese oligarchs blush.
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It will probably have Saudi Arabia levels of decadence.
They get away with it because no one speaks for a helot(speaking of which @Havenstone, how would Olynna react if she saw what the young Keriatou were up to?) but if your rebellion succeeds, someone will speak for a helot.
For my MC, i am the Angel Eclekt … 
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No, but there is a hierarchy among aristarchs. To be aristarch of Rimmersford, in the central Rim, is significantly higher than being aristarch of the Outer Rim, and the lords of the great estates of the Southriding and Westriding are much more powerful than anyone in the Rim.
@Sneaks: apologies to your phone.
These are all good questions. Some of the possible answers, as noted by you and others, include:
- The Angels genuinely do support the Hegemony
- The Angels are apathetic, as Xthonos is supposed to be
- The Angels are much more ineffectual than they’re thought to be
- The Angels don’t intervene directly in any matter where humanity should rightfully be helping themselves
- The Angels only intervene through Eclectoi, but the Hegemony has been successful in killing the ones sent over the past few centuries
- The Angels are operating according to some long-term plan in which the torments of the Hegemony will eventually lead to a better world for all
- The religion of the Hegemony is wrong, and the Abhumans/Halassurqs/ancient Wiends/some heretic from the Southriding have it right
- There are no Angels, nor Xthonos, nor Theoi, nor Ummay, “nor light, nor certitude, nor peace, nor help for pain…”
You’ll have to see as the story plays out over 5 volumes which interpretation you think best fits the facts. I’m not going to outright tell readers which if any is true.
The MC will never meet “Xaos,” the personalized force of evil, so no literal deals will be possible. Ecclesiasts and Theurges believe that Xaos is the cause of asteroid strikes, among many other things, but there wouldn’t be much point in having one of the major game axes be Devout-Skeptical if I told you that everything they believe about Xthonos/Angels/Xaos is true…
The Thaumatarch is beyond romance, but as noted his heir (adopted, as @idonotlikeusernames rightly guessed) Diadoch Phaedros/Diadoche Phaedra, will be an RO from Game 3 onward. A forum search for “diadoch” and (sigh) “nippletwister” should put you in the vicinity of everything I’ve shared so far about this character.
There is, as of yet, no XoRverse Wiki, so the two very long forum threads are the source of all info shared to date.
She’d chastise them, privately but sternly, on multiple grounds. And Lord Stilos would then arrange to have her recalled to Grand Shayard ASAP.
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I’m sorry, but you being so exasperated with that nickname makes it so much funnier
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It is a great nick easier to remember.
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Is there a map of Karagond Hegemony? If so, could someone link it?
From @Havenstone’s Facebook:
Looking at this more carefully, it raises the question of why the city of Shayard is not even close to the center of the province of Shayard. The city of Shayard actually looks closer to the wards than Rim Square is. I’m assuming the city of Shayard was the old capital but I cannot remember if that is correct. If the city of Shayard was the old royal capital, then for what would once have been the capital of what was once the strongest kingdom on the continent, being that close to the Abhuman Federation is an interesting situation. I wonder if the old Shayardene monarchy was either allied with the Abhumans or just had a lot more commerce with the Abhumans.
Something that’s been bugging me now that I’ve been replaying this game recently…
Why is Elery so fanatically loyal to Breden?
She despises you if you don’t pick Breden for deputy, even directly after saving her life while Breden did nothing, and she’s absolutely furious in every scenario where Breden is killed or driven off.
Pre rebellion I don’t recall any passages with Elery showing any special regard for Breden, or the two of them having any kind of close relationship. And none of the other helots are so protective of Breden. So it just seems peculiar to me.
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Similar reasons to London, Beijing, Moscow, and Washington (non-central capitals in our world): it was the launchpad of a successful campaign of conquest. Corlune is however the commercial capital of Shayard, sitting astride all the major sea and riverine trade routes. And over the next couple of games, the political center of gravity may shift closer to Karagon as well.
PS – while I don’t think I’ll be able to be an active participant on the Discord, I will occasionally lurk over there, and I should note in relation to a Discord conversation that the Bloodless Reach is in fact where Ghaesh and the Unquiet Dead are supposed to hang out. The far northern reach may well also be under their control, but the Bloodless Reach is supposedly their base.
Elery thinks it’s a terrible idea to exclude one of the rebellion’s most capable and charismatic leaders, settling on an indifferent (if physically attractive) bandit instead, just because of one failing. She would insist that she’s not just judging Breden with a friend’s bias, that xhe really is one of the most vital assets the rebellion has, and that you’re a fool for distrusting xhim–let alone killing xhim or driving xhim off.
This is a stronger judgment than others make, which is why you don’t see the same reaction from others. But I don’t think it’s an implausible one.
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Elery is an emotional and loyal character , on a logical note… it is frankly logic we feel strongly attach or loyal to a “friend” who we had been associate with for long moment about a possible “new hope” of a future , so i think Elery’s reaction is perfectly fine and logic, perhaps even admirable … in real life i would hope to attach with a loyal person like Elery than a pragmatic person who wait no time to push me away when the tide is against me …
I understand many prefer pragmatic person for their daily dealing, but for me i am more towards the humanity side of trusting a friend unless he/she is proven guilty
I couldn’t find the post, but way earlier in our extended discussion you compared aetherial blood to oil. I think at the time I found the argument tortured based on the moral analogy. The more I have learned about the importance of petroleum for modern life, the more apt I have found that comparison. Just wanted to say “you were right.”
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It was a failing that would have gotten her and all her friends butchered if someone else hadn’t stepped in. That’s pretty big. If I were her, my confidence in Breden’s leadership would be shaken at the very least.
It’s plausible to me if we frame it as Elery being a poor judge of character with a major blind spot for a good friend, since otherwise taking the events of the whole game into account you’d have to be a total imbecile to not see Breden as suspicious.
Elery is an intense person and I can’t see her reactions as being fueled by practical logic over raw emotion.
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My only contacting with elery is far different anyone else of you so maybe could give all of you clues. For me Elery was never alive always death as I will never save him. However game for me is far more bugged that for the rest due I probably choose always the more extreme choices for the poor game code that lead to very bizarre moments. One is now already fixed Is Ghostly Elery appeared like Hamlet dad and tried to sabotage me for abuse Breden place to point menacing me of quit power from me and trying to make other leaders go against me. I haven’t Breden on the group and he is totally dead however he has a imaginary kids army trying to kill me. Everything screams Sex. He is or mentally sex dominated by Breden like she tried to mind control mara once…
@Havenstone tries to hide the sith Breden powers but NO WAY MARA COULD FIND BEAUTIFUL THAT HORRENDOUS CREATURE MADE OF SUN DESTROYED SKIN and with the brain of a mosquito who is also a coward.
And yet it was, in Elery’s judgment, a reasonable failing under the circumstances – circumstances in which she perhaps feels some shame about her own reactions and choices, and thus is more willing to excuse paralysis and self-preservation in others.
Breden wasn’t operating with the knowledge that xhe’s the MC of a book called Choice of Rebels. Faced with a highly unpromising situation in which it seemed that the Hegemony had already won – rounding up the usual suspects, which included everyone Breden knew to be sedition-friendly in the village – xhe didn’t act with courage verging on foolhardiness, like you did. Xhe didn’t bet on the willingness of the less seditious helots to rise up.
Elery thinks that’s understandable and is willing to let it go for the sake of friendship and the rebellion. There wouldn’t have been a nascent rebellion in the first place without Breden’s charisma and boldness; xhis moment of cowardice in a situation as extreme as the 4th Harrowing doesn’t outweigh (for Elery) all that went before. The MC’s extraordinary courage in that situation is why she’s ready to accept you as overall leader – but she’s angry by the idea that a friend’s cowardice should disqualify xhim from continuing at your side.
And she is willing to bet against Breden as traitor, especially in light of the risks, sacrifices, and contributions xhe continues to make for the cause as the year goes on.
Is that emotion winning over logic? That’s a plausible reading of the character, certainly. But I’d disagree with anyone who thought Elery’s reaction was devoid of logic.
If I’ve managed to write Breden as some kind of Mummy/mosquito hybrid trying to mind control people into sex, I assure you it wasn’t intentional.
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I know @Havenstone 
But I still fresh in my mind the first demo when I literally though a blood mage like in Dragon age sode quest had mind controlled my character to kiss her. Thankfully you changed all that demo… But in my mind Breden will always be The mind controlling Blood mage that stolen Mara a kiss in the dark in middle of forest without mara wanted.
Now thankfully Mara can decide not kiss Breden don’t follow Breden and even kill Breden so all is okay. Still my hatred will remain until the day I could use inquisition to put her in fire.