Atheina: A Story of the Gods (WIP) [REVAMPED CHAPTER ONE; 21 August 2019]

It’s a prison for a god they can’t kill, but can kill them. They would have something or somethings extremely powerful guarding it.

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Don’t we have the power to corrupt what they create what if we corrupt them or their power or the prison or something

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Don’t we have something powerful as well?

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We can’t create anything. Also they’d probably make sure the prison will repress our powers and influence.

Well there’s the hope of escape thrown out the window

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I guess, but I think we would have to be conscious to work or perhaps we could corrupt but would take too much time to corrupt the prison, I agree with @No_This_Is_Patrick, they would goin to put a lot of effort to keep us away.

Of course, we have Drizzt the drow \o/

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Yes throw that silly notion out the window
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So how we going to kill all of them?

Wouldn’t they be wiped out with more powerful beings? And oh are we able to corrupt dragons as well?

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Taking night classes from this guy that’s how
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Perhaps our “corrupt power” are going to be more like “destroys everything” power instead of a “come to the dark side” power, but yeah I want to turn dragons to our side too haha. If the dragons are sentient beings, maybe some would worship us? :thinking:

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Definitely not the kind of goblins I had in mind.

If others are really into that then I will try to add it in. But currently not so.

Well the player character does not know in the beginning that the game is going to become real. Just like how the characters in the game do not know also. The reason for the global genocide was me trying to simulate a group of kids trying to create a “perfect world”, realise that the world they created is not so perfect and just want to start over again from learning their mistake. I guess it is a bit dramatic. But then again, the characters in the game do not have reasons to believe what they are writing will come true in some alternate world.

There is also the problem with the creation myth in the story. The PCs deity is not mentioned at all in the beginning but comes later on to give pain to humans. To the PC, this is nothing more than just trying to slap a character creation in an existing world. This happens a lot when one joins an existing continuing table top RPG. The Game master tries to fit them in. Later on the game, the PC will realise the consequences of this seemingly mundane plot hole. Had the group known the world would become real, they might have created a creation myth that includes the PCs deity explicitly. So the problems that arise are unintentional because no one expects they are creating a ‘real’.

Think for example a game like Grand Theft Auto. Will players play the same as they do, like hijack someone’s car, if they knew the NPCs really felt pain and existing in an alternate universe. I doubt it.

Yes, eventually. But the first leader of the goblin tribes is going to be an actual goblin. Later on it might change.

It would be committing an Intentional Fallacy to think that I am using fantasy outcasts to mean actual outcast. To be clear, that is not my intention. The reason why I chose goblins (and later on other fantasy outcasts) is because it goes in line with the deity I have. Also, I want to subvert the expectation of the reader about these fantasy creatures. Two great manga that do this with ‘outcasts’ is “Re:Monster” and “That Time I Got Reincarnated as a Slime”

That depends on the reasoning behind it. If you are like @No_This_Is_Patrick and make it obvious you want to gain power, than the reaction is going to be negative. Very negative.

You can be imprisoned for eternity. They might not be able to kill you but they can trap you so that you are no longer a threat.

Hit and tactics gives the other gods a ‘casus beli’ to declare war. Trust me, you are not going to steamroll your way in the beginning.

The Underworld has not been left unattended these years.

Monsters are not as powerful as the gods themselves. Chloe, Jonathan and the other gods also have guardians. 6 against 1 are bad odds.

Your deity is not omnipotent. There are limits to even the power of the god of destruction.

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I’m not that obvious… Am I?

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Subtle is the way to go I suppose, smile and plot…

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It appears in need a alot to learn still. Teach me?

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Haha. Well, we don’t know much right now, but I bet they aren’t all best friends with each other. If we can sow some discord or even worsen the conflicts already there they could be weakened fighting each other and be easier to take down, divide and conquer. Ultimately, we better wait and see what opportunities the author offers us.

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Invite one of them over to the Underworld for some “friendly” tea time, then when that god is taking a bite out of a biscuit, you pierce them with your scythe and loot all their power.

You can always say they tried to kill you first while you were being a polite host.

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So essentially, the characters in the game did it because it’s a meme. That works. :smile:

Although it’s kind of confusing, if they’re creating the background story for a tabletop game how is anything happening that they don’t expect? Whoever the lead writer is specifically chose to create Marcia because it’d make things more interesting, and that is what lead to them deciding that your PC had to commit global genocide. I guess it’s more one of those dark thoughts you have when you’re trying to fall asleep and go “Oh shit technically we’re horrible people now!” than “OMG what did I do?! Time for a heroic BSOD!”

Giving feedback on this is actually really tricky because I don’t know what plot holes are intentionally written as a mistake by the characters and which are something you didn’t think of or decided to take creative licence with. XD Like the pain and suffering thing. They didn’t experience pain, but they still were mortal and experienced injury and death. The lack of pain just made it harder to avoid. So unless they also didn’t experience emotional pain then they still knew of suffering. Losing a loved one to an injury they didn’t know they had would certainly be suffering… Since this world is clearly inspired by, but not 200% based on their words, how does the world interpret the words of the gods?

Still it’s a really interesting concept. What if the gods in a fantasy world were actually a bunch of gamers and authors creating a fantasy RPG who never realized they were making a real world?

One thing I can say is that it’s kinda strange how little attention it paid to the fact that everyone in your club disappeared one after another except you… which seems like it’d be a pretty big deal and put your PC in serious trouble with the authorities.

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I’d like to say this was fantastic and I can’t wait to see more. I love when there’s games revolving around deities, especially when there’s plotting and scheming involved.

I would like to input my thoughts about this world and how you crafted it (if any of my points have already been covered, I apologize) because I believe it would provide you with more angles on how to tackle certain aspects of your world and - for a more selfish reason - this idea of a scheming pantheon is something I’ll utilize in a project that is in development and will be revealed in the future so I appreciate the mental exercise.

Sorry for the long text. Here we go:

First I’d like to discuss possibilities that come about because they were explicitly written in the demo already available to us.

"Supreme Being, grant me powers to vanquish my enemies!"

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This is interesting. It sounds like the prayer of a soldier rather than an adventurer. Would this mean that the MC has some power as an entity of War as well? From the creation mythos it wasn’t clear if there was a God of War in the more traditional sense so it could be possible (seeing as the MC was the God that introduced pain into the immortals) that, later on, we would be able to provide blessings and sway the tides of warfare?

“Mother of all, have you forsaken us?”

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This is particularly interesting. Why would the MC receive such a prayer if Apseudes is clearly the matron of the patheon? Unless if this is one of the goblin creatures, which confirms that the goblins have developed into a complete society with its own culture. Not to mention that the “Forsaken” part means they are being persecuted and possibly enslaved by the more prominent races and their deities.

If this is not a goblin prayer, then it confirms the MC is one of the primordial Gods that existed for just as long or even longer than Apseudes and should be just as powerful if not more powerful than any other God given the MC gathers enough worshipers and power. If this is the case then all the followers of the MC are being persecuted in an active attempt to erase or, at the very least, hide the role the MC played in the creation of the world or to suppress the MC.

If this is done in an attempt to suppress the powers of the MC what would the other Gods be afraid of? It can’t be the MC’s power to kill their creations because they’re in larger numbers, they could stop the MC. It also can’t be because they don’t want their creations to disappear since the MC was not involved, whatsoever, in their creation so they could just do them all over again. There must be something else that would make them go to such lengths to hinder the MC.

"The only reason I am here is because I want to pay my debts and be reincarnated again."

Summary

My favourite piece of this lore so far. So the Gods have established a reincarnation system but to what end would this serve? There must be something before, during or after the process of reincarnation that benefits the Gods. If that is the case, was this system unanimously implemented or was it something established by a single or a small group of the Gods? If it was a minority then how did they manage to keep it hidden from the other Gods or how did they cope with it? It must have sown even more dissent amongst the Gods if such a thing was secretive then suddenly discovered.

What sort of debts are being discussed? It must be a debt to the Gods because a mortal wouldn’t have the power to dictate whether or not their kin can reincarnate or not, which begs the question: what is the nature of this debt? Sins against the Gods? Or is it a far more frugal and political reason veiled as a sin? And how exactly is it determined what you get reincarnated into? If you do enough favours/good deeds towards a race you become that race? Is it pre-determined by the Gods and any intent the mortal has is disregarded? Can the Gods sort every soul or just the ones that are useful to them?

Since the MC is the ruler of the Underworld, it is assumed that the souls of the dead should reach the MC’s realm before being reincarnated. With the emergence of the MC does that mean the hold the Gods had in who gets reincarnated as what is lessened and thus they fear/despise the MC’s presence?

Secondly, based on the previous relationships of the students and some basic knowledge of history, philosophy and theology we can reach some conclusions based on conjecture as to how this world would work.

Jonathan and Chloe’s relationship

Easily the meat and potatoes of the discord between the Gods. They disagreed with one another on several aspects but nothing as interesting as whether or not the existence of a moral code: Jonathan insisted on a completely egalitarian society with a strong moral code dictated by the Gods while Chloe advocated that their creations be given the free will to decide what is right and what is wrong, citing that if things are inherently good or evil their creations would be able to determine so accurately.

So they are bound to be at odds from day one. This raises a few interesting possibilities which are as follows:

Scenario 1: Ideal Societies

Summary

This scenario is that they try to implement their ideal society in this newfound world, which means the Republic of Gnomes would be a mainly communist society with Jonathan as their moral compass. Chloe’s on the other hand would be far more difficult, the Elves would start off as tribes that follow different ideologies and war each other for supremacy until either Chloe herself steps in or a Fairy leader emerges and establishes a more universal code of laws that the other Elves abide to either willingly or by force (think of it as the Elvish version of the Codes of Hammurabi).

Scenario 2: Absolute power corrupts absolutely

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The second possibility is that as soon as they are transported into this new world their whole view of how to lead their races changes. This could mean that for Chloe she takes more direct control of the Elves and establishes a very strict theocratic-aristocracy that enforces all kinds of harsh, unyielding laws against their citizens. This could also lead to Chloe (and by proxy the Elves) seeing the other races are unworthy and thus wage imperialistic wars in an attempt to cleanse the world. This kind of mania would extend to their own population where they would go after impure or half-blood elves (I will go over this later) in an attempt at eugenics.
As for Jonathan it is difficult to tell. His could go either way but I can see him building a large, industrial empire that is very powerful and wealthy but harsh to its citizens in a sense that it does not try to reduce disparity and inequality amongst its population.

In both of these situations it is bound to have rebellions and groups of dissidents that wish to change the status quo either by scheming with other factions and races or by plots of assassination against the Gods. Which begs the question of if a mortal is capable of killing a God. Another point to consider.

Personally I think it would be more interesting if Jonathan managed to build this idyllic, peaceful and egalitarian nation simply due to how much of a stark difference it would be compared to the rest of the world.

There is not much information concerning the other four students for me to be able to reach such an in-depth conclusion so I will be brief.

Luca: she did agree with Jonathan’s philosophy while simply not being as radical (could be comparable to Stalin vs Trotsky). So I can see the Gnomes and Fairies forming alliances against the Elves if it were to benefit them. This could mean that Chloe would have particular interest in swaying the politics of the Fairy kingdom. Either that or the Fairies try their best to remain neutral, not wanting to get involved in the bickering of the two Gods.

Henry: Being the deity of the Humans I think most of his distaste would befall the more monstrous humanoids such as Orcs, Goblins, etc. I believe the Humans would behave more like their typical fantasy/medieval counterpart than not and would probably only go against the Elves during the height of their imperialistic madness if they even decided to go against the humans in the first place.

Dylan: The most boring of the bunch, really. His complete disinterest in the creation of the world means him and his dwarfs would be secluded creatures, wanting to mind their business and no one else’s. Again, a fairly typical depiction of the dwarven kingdom.

The matter of omniscience

Summary

This is an interesting topic - since it was never explicitly disclosed that any of the Gods possessed any form of omniscience I am speculating that they would be unawares of how, exactly, all of the races and societies would develop. This means that after the students entered this world, they became blind to the future and unable to alter its course so drastically and on a whim. This would incite fear, insecurity and paranoia into these young kids suddenly thrust into a position of absolute cosmic and immortal power. This generates isolation. The Gods would rather deal with their own races, something they can control, than actively look around them and try solving the issues of the world as a whole. This would create selfish and conniving gods and means their measures would be mostly reactionary instead of preventive. This also leads to a couple of interesting things.

Half-breed races

Summary

This is the main outcome of a lack of omniscience. With the Gods not being able to know what is going on at all times means they don’t have absolute control of every race. This inevitably would lead to half-breeds in a myriad of combinations. Even more so depending on how much time has passed. Not only would this create several unique and interesting races but their situation would vastly differ depending on what Godly sphere of influence they happen to be located in. This could lead to rebellion, dissent, pilgrims, exiles or even as a pretext of warfare. Something to be explored further.

These are just some of the few things I thought of while reading your work and I must say, it provides plenty of brain exercise. Hope you can polish this even further and release a fantastic game.

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I actually love the drows or dark elves. And I have a fond for scythes too. From what I can imagine you’re the Hades of the Greek pantheon.

Will there be an option of how your domain looks like?

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I’m now picturing an Underworld modeled after Vegas.

Because the PC decided to build their underworld with blackjack and hookers.

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