Ok since I don’t know how to quote like you people do I’ll just put what I’m replying to in quotation marks and reply under that
“The fight with Sister has you draw on your phantasma, which brings a whole lot more “oomph” than regular magic. Because that has you use Arcadian magic, which is just objectively better than non-Arcadian magic.”
Even then, we are capable of cleaving through (almost) all paladins of the saintess without access to arcadian magic, and I’m sure there were both more paladins there and that a bandit is not even remotely comparable to a paladin.
“I await your evidence for the pettiness”
Aside from the fact that they are feudal nobles and so come with all the baggage feudal nobles come with? There’s them hiding secrets from their own descendants, and all the in-breeding that has to happen to ensure magic stays within the bloodline.
“Nothing, because we have no evidence that they were petty or mistreated the population. I note that you’re not asking what Paramites are going to do against the Param nobility, who can just slaughter a bunch of them on the basis of “because” and be punished by checks notes having a slightly lower noble title, keep the most productive lands (with the rest being annexed by the crown to consolidate its power), and still being left in charge of the relatives of the people they slaughtered. The answer to this is DEFINITELY “nothing”, because peasantry going against an army and political police inevitably results in a lot of dead peasantry.”
It’s rather worrying that your criteria for people rising up against a ruling class is whether they simply mistreat people under them, when the existence of any feudal ruling class by it’s existence politically opresses people under them. Financially too, in the form of heavy taxes, if our own history and nobles’ actions are anything to go by.
The Arcadian nobles were in an unique position not comparable to any other nations’ nobles, given that they not only get their power from the social structure they’ve built, but also directly from the magical secrets they keep and the power within their bloodline, which should more or less make them not only impossible to fight in any popular uprising, but also impossible to even extract political concessions from to get any sort of constitution.
I am not talking about Paramite nobility or any other nobility, because obviously they deserve the same fate as Arcadian nobility(which I thought was a given), which is at best having their authority and power stripped and treated as normal citizens, and at worst the exactly what happened to Arcadian nobility, or French nobility, if this world has it’s analogue of the french revolution.
“People who don’t want an entire race to hate them don’t genocide and enslave that race for generations.”
I have no idea which specific part you are replying here, but I have to say that the only guilty parties here are the Jovian church and the nobility of the two invading kingdoms. Expecting random feudal peasants to go against what their clergy and their nobility tell them to do in any large scale, especially when some other people they’ve had basically no contact with is concerned, when any information they can get about the said people is controlled by the clergy and the nobility in the first place, is not only unrealistic, but also unfair.
“Whenever Arcadia was not above every other nation, the result was always, ALWAYS, without exception, “Arcadians get slaughtered and enslaved.” Therefore, the only way in which Arcadians don’t get slaughtered and enslaved is to make sure Arcadia is above every other nation, and Arcadians would very much like to not be slaughtered and enslaved, thanks.”
Putting aside the fact that this has happened a single time, which while sets a precedent also speaks to Tahlia and others’(definitely justified, in context) paranoia, in my opinion, when both nations they’re under are seemingly finally stopping their opression of Arcadians.
Beyond that, I refuse to believe the only way to grant Arcadians their freedom and secure that freedom is Tahlia’s way, especially when we’re so early into the story.
“Then it’s a good thing Thalia’s very stated goal isn’t this but actually “end the Parami royal line, aka the people who slaughtered and enslaved Arcadians at every turn.” There’s not even a hint that Thalia wants to go imperalistic, other than getting the Arcadian lands back, and she’s certainly not doing it for revenge: she’s doing it because whenever non-Arcadians had ascendancy over Arcadians, the Arcadians got slaughtered and enslaved.”
‘We might have explicitly stated that we want to put Arcadia above every other nation, and if that isn’t wanting Arcadian hegemony I don’t know what is, and we might be explicitly racist against non-arcadians, but trust me, when we ‘put arcadia above every other nation’ we won’t do what they did to us, pinky promise.’
Also, god, I hate arguing in forums, if you have discord I’d love to carry this there instead, since this discussion has been going on for, from what I can see, a week now, between you and @idonotlikeusernames and I don’t want to clog up the thread further by joining myself.
) ((alternatively they should go live with aubt bess for ultimate happiness))
