Yes 
Yesa is unbelievably talented. The artwork is incredible
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I legit cannot understand why you start the same arguments over and over again if you always come back to your old conclusions, at this point I think you are just trolling people.
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This is great! Have anyone created a playlist for Mage Reborn?
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sending up the batsignal for @Arella
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This is how I generally play through the demo too. There’s no way that our Mage knows enough about anything to run right now. There isn’t even really any place for them to run to. And a way has to be found around not only Talia, but all of the organisations that she’s built up around her idea of what will best help “Arcadia.” Running away without a way to neutralise or proof yourself against the reach of Nightstalker or Archangel isn’t even foolish, it’s just outright dumb. Any escape at this point is premature and doomed to failure, and to add to that, you have a new Arcana contract you know little to nothing about, and the one that you are the most familiar with is one you can’t safely use.
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Petition to get rid of the parasites. Those 4 inside you will effectively kill you if you use them and the newest one is all “protect arcadians at all cost.”
Thats one thing I loved about some of the newer updates. You can be wary of them and outright refuse to use them in some cases and rely on “Ercei” magic.
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Let me add another point to that about the magic that keeps mage alive needs thalia to keep actively supplying her power/mana? To keep it working so basically keeping eli and mage alive makes her weaker and reduces her slots for the people he can resurrect/summon the part where mage runs away and is seemingly tortured is simply Thalia stop supplying her mana to keep mage alive due to which the world can detect an supposed to be dead soul resulting in world rejecting the mage and banishing/destroying? Mage’s soul resulting in that painful experience , this is why i dont get running away option , if you run away thalia have no incentive to keeping supplying you her mana making her weaker and reducing a very valuable resurrection slot on someone useless or worse a possible enemy.
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I BELIEVE Eli is in the safe zone when it comes to the resurrection spell. I can’t remember where I read it, but eventually the Mage won’t need the spell because they’ll be able to generate enough of their own life force/mana. Again, Tahlia has the upper hand for a while, but it won’t be forever. Just long enough to force the Mage to kill a bunch more people.
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This, plus my mage having the same “keep you alive at every cost” attachment to Eli as they do to the mage, is why not being able to make a break for it hasn’t been an issue for me in my playthrough. Initially I felt like my mage after resurrection would be like, essentially suicidal because all they longed for was the release of death, they’re too tired and over it all. But finding Eli, I figured that would easily be enough to fuel their desire to live and be safe if only to ensure that Eli lives and is safe. And in their mind, “safe” would include getting them away from Arcadia because they’re sus and hungry for war, so they have to play the long game for now lest they “get away” only to have Arcadia hunting them down forever. It’s kind of a “last duty” mindset. Just trudging along holding onto the last purpose they’ve found, knowing they have to see it all through to the end because there simply isn’t an easy way out.
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All the more reason for a mage to endure and be silent regardless of the path one may want to take.
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That would be my mc’s top goal, as long as we stay in Arcadia we’ll make exactly zero progress towards reaching it. Even if there are books that deal more intimately with the phantasma in Arcadia they won’t let the mc near them. But more likely is that Thalia and the rest of the current arcadian elite neither know nor care and thus far the only place the mc could have learned more about them and what was done to themselves had already been raided by sister long before they ever got back there.
3 of them are completely useless parasites who only weaken the mc, as they will not let the mc use them and using 4 means the mc has to inflict severe torture on themselves every time they do it.
Using the newest one is also implied to be less than pleasant (dissonance part in the demo) but to a lesser degree than the other one mc can use. Of course, as you say, the Earthworm has its own agenda that is not necessarily very compatible with mc’s.
Which apparently won’t be a problem on the insanity route? Wonder what changes by then? Nyx finally letting the mc use her own healing/resurrection side? Of course by then it will not do the mc much good on account of the insanity.
And go insane.
Maybe that is why mc is constantly forced to deplete it, to keep them from achieving that progress. As Thalia left Eli alone for years prior to the rescue…a luxury absolutely not afforded to the mc. 
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Don’t forget what happens every time the Mage tries winging anything. Usually death. Lots of suffering. And like you just said, so long as the Mage is physically IN/ON Arcadia, Tahlia can pull the strings as much as she wants. Keeping the Mage weak, on lockdown, heavily supervised thanks to her mind reading, and constant taunting about revenge.
Really, the smartest thing to do would be joining the spy group and learning as much as they know to better help form a plan. And forming a plan can only happen outside of Arcadia to keep it secret from Tahlia’s reach. The Mage knows what most of Night Saber is capable of. Right now, it’s a matter of picking the most opportune moment when they’re dispatched from Arcadia.
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Some of these conversations here are starting to really bother me. Particularly the ones about Eli and not giving the Mage a choice in dying.
First of, and I know I’m going to upset a few people by saying this, assisted suicide is NOT MORALLY OKAY. You don’t help someone kill themselves, or stand by and let them, regardless of circumstance, this is a twisted modern view that scares me to see so commonplace, just like the saying “The ends justify the means.” That mentally can screw off.
Now, about Eli. I agree that’s it’s an unpleasant feeling to have someone you would consider your closet friend (or closer) not support you or your wishes, however we need to keep in mind that Eli appears to have given up hope of escape, and they’re terrified of losing the mage again, I don’t consider it reasonable to start seeing Eli as an enemy because they don’t share the mages hope of escape. Frankly I think some people here are just really upset and are looking for outlets to vent, and Eli is now the next target, they also have conveniently forgotten that Eli’s first instinct is to pull a knife on Thalia. How are people ignoring that? Not to mention they’ve already died once protecting the mage, and were taking a risk pulling that stunt since they definitely know how dangerous Thalia is.
Yeah, maybe they are a little selfish in how protective they are of the Mage at this point, but I’m not seeing this as a bad thing, not completely, caring about someone is still caring, even if the Mage might not appreciate it at the time, it doesn’t make them a bad person, or even in the wrong. If anyone is going to be able to give Eli hope back of ever escaping, it will be the mage, and I’m confidant that when the time comes, and the mage presents a plan that actually looks like it will work, Eli will not only be on board, but eager.
Now that’s out of the way, what have yawl named your Mages and what are their goals?
Here’s mine:
Name: Auriel (Pronounced auri-el)
Stats in B1:
Noble
Charming
Emotional
Optimistic
Stats in B2:
Noble
Reserved
Stoic (Unless it involves Ilya or Saine.)
Cynical
Here are some of his goals:
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Find Ilya, verify where they stand, marry her.
Last I heard from the demo is she’s still grieving his death, so I’m hopeful she’ll be happy to see him. What worries me the most at the moment is how she’s now the Saintess, a leadership position. There’s a very real possibility that being in that position might have done something to her mind or priorities, people tend to change when they are placed in positions of leadership, and not usually for the better. Look at Leon. I guess we’ll see when that part of the story gets added. -
Find Saine, verify where they stand, give him the biggest hug he can.
I’ve read some of the things from the Pateron demo, and honestly I don’t blame Saine in the slightest. The idea that someone is pretending to be his friend or brought the mage back as a zombie would infuriate me if I was in his shoes, it would be like a giant slap in the face of any respect for his friend.
As for being conflicted on the mage either being cohered or going along with Arcadia goals, I’d like to think he’ smart enough to figure out that the mage has, and rightfully so, a lot of hurt and betrayal within them and would rightfully blame Param, it would be weird if he didn’t feel conflicted as Param is still his home, this is where a nice long conversation between the 2 comes into play.
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Find Lione, kick his ass, x2 satisfaction if in public
No context. -
Find Ante and have her jailed for gaslighting Idiot King Lione and aiding in getting Auriel murdered. After I’ve kicked her ass into the river. Twice.
I really don’t need to explain this one. -
Get rid of Thalia and become king of Arcadia.
My Mage is actually the kind of mage that would prefer to lead Arcadia into a new future, he’s pretty pissed of with how badly the Arcadians have been treated, it’s the only reason he’s still hanging around with Arcadia right now, Thalia is a Psychopath that will bring ruin in her wake.
Throwing her out of the leadership position, and replacing her, gives Auriel the chance to start fixing this, he died trying to save lives, even after going cold and Param’s betrayal, they couldn’t take that from him.
- Get some damn therapy.
Order of goals not guaranteed, goals are also subject to change.
Anyone else wanna join in?
Edit: Fixing typos.
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What i meant was not showing the rebellious side like balantly running away or provoking/contradicting thalia to her face , ofc as you said we cant make ourselves defenseless on thalia’s proverbial chopping board but we need to do all that sneakily.
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From what I remember of the Tumblr post about Tahlia’s powerset, the people she resurrects are already able to generate enough mana to keep themselves alive; their mana ‘‘generation systems’’, I guess, are perfectly intact. The main problem is that the world itself tries to kill them because they are supposed to be dead; the antimana isn’t necessarily attacking/rejecting the resurrected person’s body, but their actual soul, and Tahlia has the ability to stop this from happening somehow, presumably through Phantasma.
I honestly dunno if there’s a time limit on something like that; the effects of soul rejection might lessen with time, but we also haven’t seen any evidence that Eli isn’t affected by the antimana or being protected from it by Tahlia; Tahlia has a reason to keep them alive even if not in Arcadia as long as they aren’t attacking her, because they’re basically the only powerful healer she (presumably) really knows of and she could possibly retrieve them at a later date (as has happened in the story), and during the escape attempt Tahlia could very well just have targeted the Mage instead of Eli because Eli’s reaction to her torturing the Mage was more predictable than the Mage’s in the event she went for Eli.
They don’t even not-support the Mage wanting to flee; I’m pretty sure Eli supports the Mage’s wish to flee, and wants them to be able to. In the conversation at the festival after the failed escape attempt, they straight-up tell the Mage that, if they find a way out that is safe for them, Eli would immediately go with them (and if the Mage tells them they’ll hold them to that, then they outright say that they’d love for the Mage to do that lol), but that they don’t want to allow the Mage to put themselves in danger like that again. I think that’s ignored a lot of the time, tbh. I also agree that their motives are a lot more nuanced than some people in the thread make them out to be and a lot of it stems from fear of losing the Mage (again). They’re certainly not doing this because they’re more loyal to Tahlia than to the Mage, or anything like that.
And yeah, their first instinct when Tahlia decides to attack the Mage is indeed immediately attacking her, so I think whatever loyalty Eli may or may not have had towards Arcadia before the escape attempt completely evaporated the second Tahlia proved herself capable of torturing the Mage.
My mage’s name is Vivian Edenhaut! Irealized the irony of the name only after growing attached, lmao. B1 stats were Noble, Charming, and Emotional (so-so on the Optimistic/Cynical front), and B2 stats are Noble (but I’m trying to make her a bit less merciful), Reserved, Emotional and Cynical. She mostly just wants to reunite with Saine and then live with Aunt Bess, I think. She deserves a nap. If she gets the option she’s staying out of the coming war or only picking individuals, not sides.
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Fair. It’s been a while since I read through the tumblr reveals. That changes a lot, and our previous theory that we’ll need the Winrosa phantasma to truly cut ties with Tahlia seems to be likely.
The little Mage I created:
Wick Arbolais
B1 Stats: Noble, Reserved, Stoic, Cynical
B2 Stats: Noble, Charming, Emotional, Cynical
Thaum specialist, weak in spiritism.
Goals:
- Keep Eli alive
Wick didn’t have much hope for life even before the burning. Maybe that’s why they were so eager to throw themselves in harm’s way. Dying a noble death like Eli did in protecting the people they care about. Now that they’re reunited with Eli, their goal is to return the favor and do whatever it takes to keep the one they love the most alive. No matter the cost.
- Gain their “freedom”
Takes a major backseat to protecting Eli at all costs. Doesn’t care which side wins or so they think. Wick will continue helping Arcadia decimate all who oppose them. Even the country they just saved. They think they can’t do anything right and finding direction from anyone is good enough for them, at the moment. They’re sticking their head in the sand, though. Because deep down they know that if Tahlia isn’t stopped, the fighting will never end. Anyone who isn’t Arcadian is at risk. And more fighting means more danger being posed to Eli.
- The truth
Despite everything, Wick still wants to save their old friends, even Leon. Because they put in too much work for it all to be thrown away. Yeah, that’s it. Sunk cost. Maybe, just maybe they can find a way to convince Tahlia to spare Ilya and her family. Saine and Leon might be too important to spare. But deep down, Wick still wants to try.
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Ugh, yet another parasite…but I don’t think I heard of that one before, is it only (mentioned) in that Patreon demo or on Tumblr? Of course that means adding a sixth parasite when the mc already has five others weakening them. Will it even be strong enough at 1/6th of its possible power to be of any help?
Considering the insanity path that is not completely true, that way might be physically safe but by that point the mage’s mind will be gone considering it is the batshit insane kill everybody likely including Aunt Bess (except Eli for some reason) path. Seems Eli mostly cares about physical safety then.
Mind gone but body intact really is living hell.
If that was all Eli did that would be reasonable but they also start acting like a real jailer, the last part is what makes my mc not trust Eli anymore. MC never forced Eli to join them on the escape attempt in the first place, they did that themselves.
My main mc:
Isaac Rafelon:
Book 1: (Aka the naive kid phase):
Noble, Charming, Stoic, Optimistic.
Book 2 (Welcome to the real world)
Pragmatic, Reserved, Emotional, Cynical. A simple complete flip.
Goals:
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Escape Arcadia and Thalia as being a slave naturally prevents him from working towards any of his own goals.
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Find a way to get rid of the parasites (if he needs one to remain alive, so be it but the other 4-5 can sod off ASAP), more than likely this is the goal he would die trying to reach but should he somehow succeed and still be alive and relatively sane by then:
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Snoop around Salantir for any artefacts left behind that would let him know his biological mother, with a strong preference for portraits or surviving journals and letters. He is not concerned about the family name, getting the estate back, or, since that is most likely given away already getting some worthless unlanded courtier position as consolation. He has never been a noble or a leader in practice and he’d have no appetite to start now. He just hopes to find, something, anything of his biological mother he can take with him to 4:
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Return to Leaf’s End and either move in with Aunt Bess, if she is still alive by then, or take over or start a new Inn there and live out the rest of his life there as a simple innkeeper, hopefully without needing to use magic ever again.
Undoubtedly the most rotten part of the mc’s situation, otherwise we could just plan around Thalia (and Eli too now), which is why my guess is that increasing the madness stat somehow makes it more difficult for Thalia to get a good read on mc’s mind, like how SideStep in Fallen Hero also refuses to even attempt to read Psychopator or the Catastrofiend’s minds. The drawback to this being of course that by the time the mc is insane enough to nullify Thalia’s telepathy advantage their mind is effectively worthless to themselves too and they can forget working towards any of their actual goals in any case. 
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Yeah all things considered, running that early on probably won’t yield any good results, but it’s understandable when you take two things into consideration:
- MC has very few options to formulate a plan seeing as Tahlia explicitly knows what goes through their head, so a hail mary ‘run out the nearest door’ approach is about as good a chance MC’s likely (keyword likely) to get
- Tahlia (and the other arcadians, depending on how you look at it) are insane and could be categorized as terrorists. If I were kidnapped by a (at least borderline) terrorist group, I’d book it before I got forced into doing something I’d never be able to live with.
Not to say it was the best idea, but it wasn’t the worst idea MC could’ve come up with, like say trying to 1v1 Tahlia for their freedom
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You know, I don’t think it’ll be the Mage taking on a new phantasma. I mean, the author did confirm Eli will be by the Mage’s side no matter what. So. 
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The Wiarosa Phantasma is Oiral, she was mentioned in the Jiasei arc and the Phantasma of… that one lady whose name I don’t remember that you had to assassinate. She can create illusions and I think she’s also able to supply extra mana to her wielder but don’t quote me on that last part.
I don’t think the insanity path will be the only way you’re able to escape. Actually, I’m sure it’s not, lol. I think an escape, regardless of insanity or whatever, will probably be possible towards/at the end of book 2, tbh.
I mean, I personally don’t think it’s fair to Eli to expect them to let their best friend/potentially the person they love get tortured or die just because they want to. It wouldn’t be fair to expect that of someone in real life either.
The reason they start ‘‘acting like a real jailor’’ is because they genuinely feel like escaping at this point in time is unsafe for the Mage, because Tahlia can and will torture them again if she deems it necessary, which will only hurt the Mage further; the only way to prevent this from happening that Eli currently knows of is to prevent further escape attempts entirely, at least until the Mage manages to nullify whatever power Tahlia has over them, at which point Eli will gladly help them escape again because it’s safe for the Mage to do so, and an anti-Arcadia Mage would be happier outside of Arcadia.
Like, of course the Mage’s happiness is a priority to Eli: they just consider the Mage being alive in the first place even more important, and anyone would, again, likely be distressed by a person they care deeply about being tortured in front of them and do anything in their power to prevent that from happening again. It’s natural that the Mage being tortured in front of Eli, to put this very mildly, spooked them out of further escape attempts until it was sure that that wasn’t going to repeat.
Isn’t Eli from the Arcadian Stierol bloodline? I think I remember a Tumblr post about that. The only old Arcadian bloodlines with multiple compatible Phantasma were the Wiarosa, another one that I forgot, and the Mateus (which were the most powerful and the family the Mage comes from). I’m pretty sure Eli isn’t able to (healthily) host multiple different Phantasma, because they can only have the single one that matches their bloodline, which is the one they use to heal people. If Oiral gets bound to anyone, it will probably be the Mage that gets her, not Eli, because the Mage has several different Phantasma that would match/jive with their bloodline. It’s just that the ones they were saddled with during Thaubal’s experiments weren’t compatible, and thus impacted their health very negatively
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