Saitama is a parody of a mary sue character. He’s invincibly strong, but he’s also a bland, milquetoast everyman that generally gets treated like a fucking loser, lives in a shitty little apartment and rarely gets recognition for his herculean deeds. It works because it’s a comedy.
Well there was that time when Kylo Ren captured her with basically zero effort.
Also not sure where the clickbait title came from. If you want to link an article or something, that’d be nice.
He’s a parody yes, which is why he’s so easy to analyze as one, that doesn’t make him any less of a Mary Sue. I’m confused what you’re arguing there
Rey doesn’t fail, ever, why was she captured? Do you know? I don’t. Kylo held his hand up and then she fell unconscious, that is contrived, which is what I said, a Mary Sue with never fail, short of contrivance. Why doesn’t Kylo ever do that to her again? Or to anyone else? It’s a once off gimmick because the writers couldn’t think of an organic way for her to end up in that scenario.
Here’s the article: https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2018/03/10/star-wars-star-daisy-ridley-says-that-rey-has-no-weaknesses/#1541682d4418
Mary Sue stories are full of contrivances and deus ex machina. When you’re dealing with characters who can never fail it’s the only way left to maneuver them.
Especially when the Mary Sue literally is a deus ex machina, which happens multiple times in The Last Jedi in the salt planet battle alone
I don’t know much about Mary Sue characters, but from what I’ve read in this thread, would silver-age Superman be considered a Mary Sue?
I’m not a fan of either Rey or Kylo. Both are badly written as far as I’m concerned, and yes, Rey does have some of the elements of a Mary Sue. I’d probably classify her as a borderline Sue.
A lot of comic book characters have powers that are Sue-like. Superman is probably one of the clearest examples. His kryptonite weakness is a deus ex machina in and of itself, an artificial weakness that can be inserted into a story whenever needed to keep him from getting too boring, because otherwise he’d be too powerful and too perfect. He doesn’t have the relationship aspects of a Sue, so I’d simply classify him as a borderline Sue depending on how plentiful kryptonite is.
Debatable, cos he does have a large weakness to Kryptonite, although you could argue Kryptonite itself is a contrived weakness. There’s also a lot of people who hate him, nor is he a chick magnet
It’s important to note that being a Mary Sue doesn’t make a character bad by default, it is in the end just a trope, and it’s up to the writer whether it’ll end up good or bad. Superman is a beloved character, and while I’d say he often teeters on Mary Sue territory, he is usually compelling enough to still be enjoyable, and I think the success of Dragon Ball and One Punch Man has proven that the destructive antics of godlike entities can be extremely popular with audiences. Mary Sues often get passes in action genres because they make excellent set pieces and are good for entertainment you don’t have to think about too much.
I guess the biggest thing which I’d say makes a Mary Sue enjoyable, at least for me, is whether the world moves to accommodate the Sue, or the Sue moves the world to accommodate them. Superman doesn’t have danger come to him, he doesn’t need luck to beat the bad guys, he finds them and beats them himself. Compare that to Rey, who is “happy” to live on her desert, until she is quite literally pulled into the story, she then tries to back out of the story, only to be kidnapped by the story. She’s never the arbiter of change, she just ends up being at the center of it every time it happens
Not really enough of a reason. I’m sure there are some spectacular authors who managed to find the sweet spot between being creative/daring and still somehow cater to that market and fit into the category of escapism. But the overwhelming majority is just dry and drab.
Skynet? 
Well, it’s not infallible. But the damn genocidal AI keeps coming back no matter how many c̶r̶a̶p̶p̶y̶ ̶s̶e̶q̶u̶e̶l̶s̶ time-travelling attempts at wiping out the Connors and/or Resistance Leader Redshirts fail.
Godzilla? 
i swear the one on the right is actually Goku in a dress and wig.
Edit: I also really love Ami she is cool.
I mean perfect Cell… and Buu… and anime Black… and Jiren…
I don’t think any of them fits… but,
this, of course, depends on the definition you have of Mary Sue. There is a video that is very fun and enlightening on the subject, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2-GIY9RTqU
You’re probably more caught up on the crappy sequels but didn’t the whole series start off the humans won so skynet tried to send people back but they couldn’t change the future no matter what it did. It’s loss is set in stone.
First, I commented about Mary Sues before and the reasons why I think that it’s a meaningless term.I stand to what I said back then so I’ll just copy my previous comment.
Secondly,
Seriously, this is starting to piss me off. When did everyone in the planet made a consensus that Rey is the ultimate example of a Mary Sue?
I’ll admit that despite not thinking that she was a Mary Sue ever, I wasn’t neither the biggest fan of her in The Force Awakens, I thought she was just ok, but at least I thought that The Last Jedi did an excellent job of flashing her out and presenting her as a really complex character.
Rey is just a person that is really dependent on external validation, that’s her big weakness and a great flaw that she works to overcome, during both movies she is really afraid of having to face the idea of being left alone and tries to seek comfort in figures that could substitute her parents such as Han or Luke. She is the person who grew up alone in a planet trying to raise herself, always hearing about legends of people like Luke hoping that she is a part of a greater destiny, a secret skywalker or a Solo…
That’s exactly why the reveal of her parents being nobody important is so powerful, she is completely terrified of hering that, she doesn’t receive the validation she so desperately wants, all her arc in the second movie is devoted to her working to overcome this and become emotionally dependent.
Character flaws are not only something that means not being good at a skill, it usually has more to do with internal struggles and conflicts between what a character desires and what they learn in order to grow what creates good flaws and compelling character arcs.
If there is a term that is more misused than Mary Sue it has to be Deus Ex Machina.
A Deus Ex Machina is a something unestablished that resolves a conflict, that’s all that it is, just because something seems convenient or too easy is not a Deux Ex Machina.
Is Rey’s ability to lift multiple rocks with the force established? Or her ability with a spaceship gun? Or her ability to find the exact spot they need to land to find the folks inside the cave?
I know what the term means, and I don’t believe I’m being disingenuous when I use it here, because a lot of the things Rey does is deus ex machina. She doesn’t have an established skillset, she gets new skills as the plot requires it, and uses them flawlessly
Actually there’s a pretty logical question to ask here… is it possible for someone to write a Reader Insert fiction where it’s not a Mary Sue? Assuming that they’re themselves and not a non-specific fic for the reader themselves to be integrated into…
I watched TLJ without ever seeing the force awakens.
I didn’t see a single real Mary Sue. EVERY. SINGLE. CHARACTER. Was a Fuck up.
Rey being onboard didn’t really help stop snoke and kylo did all the work against the guards all she basically did was defend herself as best she could.
Finn and Rose ( who was the most interesting character outside of Yoda 1v1 me bro) didn’t need to be onboard or go to the casino planet at all.
Hojo should have done ramming speed immediately because if you HAVE to be onboard ( Autopilot doesn’t exist?) Then why aren’t you doing something useful firing guns or ramming. Standing around drinking coffee waiting to die is stupid.
And Mexican Han Solo was completely forgettable.
I actually usee to write myself into a universe when I was younger but my character kept getting beaten, humiliated, nearly killed, or losing everything . That particular character eventually left the country and got a job doing construction work and I stopped writing about him.
And the rebellion in that movie are such incompetent military leaders it’s amazing that the first order didn’t just side swipe them imeditly. Even if they have worse leaders than the Soviet union after the great purge. And that hole getting blasted into the vacume of space and surviving, the feminest agenda and its safe to call that movie a complete piece of shit
The moment someone says “The feminist agenda” their opinion becomes less than a Charlie Brown teacher.