@GenecoInheritor
I get that.
Personally that just makes me hate mother more. I loved Estafania more than anything she was the only thing I could love and her death killed the only good in me. The fact mother said I killed her hoo boy.
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I get so many interesting versions of Efastiaâs name, haha.
I like the take youâve got on that. And anything that spurs the reader and the MC to hate Edina more is always a good thing for the story itself. 
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Too bad itâs not an option
I can certainly see the appeal, but Iâm dead-set on making the MC a psychopath. Thanks for your thoughts, though!
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In a villain all I want is the ability to be the best of the best and live the high life. 
in my penthouse apartment. 
and the ability to competly destroy my enemies and their families 
aaannnd I need, NEED a good hero to fight to destroy like fallen hero, damn I was smiling so much in the final fight scene 
and of course the classic âweâre not so differentâ speech.
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Yandere is a psychopath ;p I could torture my victims will a doll that looks like my sister asking it what we should do first.
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Doesnt the MC let her die though?
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Honestly I personally canât really feel any sympathy for the MC though.
Well right now they donât give a shit about anyone even Trevor Philips has more depth than them. Dexter seemed emotionless but he found love. Thereâs no reason to care if the protagonist succeeds or dies.
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I disagree .
we are talking about Jeeday who are supposed to be the good guys , remember ? They blamed her without any proof . So she chased down proof , herself .
I never saw her as petty , more like bitter . Which is different . A petty person wouldnât go to the extent she went to in the end . And a bitter personâŚis sometimes someone who is willing to give up everythingâŚfor that one moment where they are vindicated . And letâs face it , she was freaking right . Her best moment was in the old Temple! Still give me the shiver to this day .
ahemâŚanyway , that asideâŚthe whole âdestroy the forceâ can easely be replaced by âreligion , society , order , Magic , Templar , âŚetcâ . So its not a new concept , or that different .
In some cases , its rightâŚand in others its just wrong . depand on which side of the fence one is on .
lol gonna disagree with you , on Loghain . He was a powerhungry idiot , sold peoplesâŚyada yadaâŚalmost doomed the country that elected him a hero . I donât think the whole blame fall on Howe alone . He is a veterant , he should know better .
I love killing this kind of vilains , because all their justifications usually fall flat . The whole âredemptionâ in the end is a joke and an insult .
Cold calculating ones. Those there are only considered villains because of how ruthless are their methods of doing things.
Also the Crazy, unpredictable ones, they neber seem to get old, besides the philosophical ones who really only have a unique, and mostly unaccepted by many, way of seeing the world.
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Iâll keep this simple. Actual villainy and an ending that doesnât force me to work together with the heroes to fight off some bigger threat. Excuse me, but I am the biggest threat in this story, not some recently awakened ancient evil, not some kind of evil entity that comes from outer space, and definitely not something which comes from another dimension, no, itâs me. Is it too much to ask to make us the final boss? Must you make me work together with the heroes?
Now, for details.
I want to have ties with my minions (or comrades if weâre the one working for the overlords), I donât want them ignored in favor of giving more screen time for the heroes and me, no, I want to build close ties with them so that when the time comes for me to sacrifice them or when they eventually defect to the heroes side, the emotional impact would be that much greater.
I donât want a redemption arc, take backs are for loser. But I do want a detailed start of darkness, preferably one that span years or decades, not just some âhereâs a very traumatic event for your MC, bam, they are now dead set on becoming a villain for *insert whatever reason here*â.
No, I want it to be a constant suffering or humiliation, not just a single horrific event. Because if all it takes is one bad day to reduce the sanest man alive to lunacy, chances are all it takes is one good day to snap them out of it.
I want them to become progressively embittered by it. I want to see their optimism and ability to trust to slowly leave them. I want to see them moving from cursing their luck to cursing their life, then cursing their existence to finally cursing the world.
I want to see the embers of anger, hate and sadness inside their heart slowly turns into a burning inferno. I want to see their despair, their desperate attempt to hold on to the vestiges of their positivity, their trust, kindness, happiness, restrain as it leaves them each day, to see them utterly broken and feebly clutching onto whatever positive point they have left, and to see the moment when they finally snap as all that left is malice.
Now, for an even more *gruesome* details
I want to see the world slowly falls into chaos, as panic and hysteria washes over the land.
I want to see that moment where we finally crossed the moral event horizon, and is now irredeemably evil. To see the heroes look upon us with horror and fear etched onto their faces. To see their despair as their attempt ultimately amounts to nothing.
I want to torment the heroes both physically and mentally. To hear their scream of pain as I do whatever I pleases with them, to hear them begging for me to stop with tears streaming down their face. To hear their anguished wail as they see their loved ones is broken and âcorruptedâ. And to laugh with mad glee at their despair.
I want to hold their loved ones hostage and use them to force the heroes to do my bidding, and kill them when the heroes are preoccupied with the task. To smile in sadistic pleasure as I respond to their âBut you promised!â with a simple âI lied.â.
I want to see all my machinations and plans comes together beautifully, and let out a contented sigh as I know that the heroes are practically powerless to stop it.
I want to frame the heroes as the bad guys and gain myself public adoration. To see the common folks throw trash at the heroes. To see the common folks worshipping me and look upon me with hope and trust in their eyes. To be heralded as a hero by the public while they condemn the heroes as the villain, delicious irony.
I want to pull a Griffith.
Finally, for the simple details (it's oxymoronic, I know)
I want to have one of the heroes as an RO, yes, itâs counterintuitive to my previous points, but such is the duality of the nature of man.
I want awesome character design.
I want to create powerful weapon.
I want to wield dark magics, preferably forbidden ones.
I want to take a vacation every now and then.
I want to build doomsday devices, plural, just because I can.
I want to create monsters that defies reality and logic.
I want to have a child and make them my apprentice.
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And as the heroes lined up to face Cthulhu they made the mistake of leaving me at their back. After they were dead I dismissed my pet Cthulhu.
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Youâre making my favorite action series heroes sound bad. Making them out to be villains.
Care to give an example so I better understand your point?
Khun or âblue turtleâ (not actually a turtle. Rak just calls everyone ___ turtle.) is a cold calculating ruthless piece of work from Tower of God but he remains friends with the hero team and is 1 of 2 of the biggest members. Even one of the 3 founding members actually.
Well, I donât know him, but is he really a hero or a protagonist (not necessarily the main one but in the sense that the point is of view is influenced by his or other protagonists wills and motives)?
Because they are different. There may very well be villains protagonists (Dexter, Walter White, Light YagamiâŚ) And hero antagonists.
Obs: Probably most of my examples can be seen as antiheros but I still see them as villains, they seem like antiheros because we see from their perspective thus justifying most of their mistakes.
Edit: typos.
The tower didnât even have any heroes until he met 25th Bam (sweet naĂŻve overpowered Bam) and Rak. Well thereâs a rebellion but every one of THEM is a jerk.
Doesnât help that the tower is like a life and death multiplayer game.
Yes he is a protagonist.