We aren’t nobles my friend, we live in a shit hole cavern surrounding by poo fertilizer and sleeping all in same room. So we would be sold as slaves to achieve big sis have a good weeding with a pig farmer or being some minor lording sex whore.
SO THEY WILL BLEED FOR TREATING MARA LIKE POO IS TIME TO DIE PEASANTS
Even slaves were treated well since well treated ones would work harder and could be an upgrade from our peasant life especially since slave owners are rich.
Oh… How wonderful is being a slave… Totally all slaves are fun and well kept no one want to free at all… Sarcasm 
I prefer became Empress after kill all damn village starting for big sis.
Of course not, but there were many cases of the house slave from D’jango and they could be better treated than the poor people. If you weren’t well treated you’d probably work bare minimum, while with rewards you’d work hard. Plus they were expensive anyway, you didn’t waste them.
Plus even if you were well treated, you’d could still want your freedom.
don’t worry, it is only the name. thank you for the permission BTW.
For the record, Laghuna doesn’t really have an organized church you could get sold to 
individual seers, sure, and occasionally there’ll be temples set up as places to do various rites, or monasteries for people to retreat together, but that’s about it. Seers in government are elected like any other official.
Something like that, probably… you could work on getting influence with the current king… I might work on an idea for propping up an alternative, but we’ll see what I get to writing.
And some sort of powerplayer behind the scenes in the republic would also make sense.
Yeah, I wasn’t sure what term to use. I felt like hedonism has too negative a connotation, though 
I’ll translate “stalker” as “Syizuni.” Syi=go behind/follow, zuni=hide.
If you could find someone who’d want to buy her 
(And could get Grandmother to agree to it.)
I find hedonism to be a positive word
self-indulgence, pleasure-seeking, self-gratification, lotus-eating, sybaritism; intemperance, immoderation, extravagance, luxury, high living
“Mama why did we name him to sound like a stalker?”
No way my twin brother and I also have our birthday tomorrow. Happy birthday to you TSSL.
Happy birthday to you and your brother as well 
It’s a good day for a birthday, because it’s also International Human Rights Day 
“Well, it’s also a good name for a hunter or a soldier.”
(For example, sneak attacks are not considered dishonorable in Verdant culture.)
Such a cheery picture you paint of my the country that hosts my favourite holiday destinations, if I could afford it I should perhaps hire you as my tour-guide for a week, I’m pretty sure I’d never see Spain the same again afterwards. 
Ugh, cue my poor mc being sold or taken as a slave at some point in the future, right? 
Maybe if either one of us wrote this game, though if the mc is of the right racial and religious minority they’d just be an indentured servant or landless labourer instead, while we were probably the largest, non islamic slavers during our “golden age” there weren’t actually that many slaves in our homeland proper as we preferred to sell black (and the occasional asian) slave. Apart from a rumored at crooked deal with some British lordlings regarding some Irish prisoners selling whites as slaves wasn’t really something we did. But like I said we had indentured servitude for white people, which in practice of course could amount to the same thing, except that it was theoretically escapable through the legal right to be allowed to buy your own freedom and the obligation of the debt holder to accept such payment if and when made in full, unlike with slaves where any manumission, even paid manumission was at the sole discretion of the owner.
My XoR character, for one, would really beg to differ…
Yep, slavery tends to not do wonders for my mc’s sanity.
Well my mc would like to work for a better republican regime, particularly when it comes to the rule of law. Like I said he would want to built a business empire and he wouldn’t have everything he may create, his entire fortune be dependent on the whims of an absolute king for his continued existence. That democracy and rule of law might, on occasion, limit his own power too is something he would view as an entirely acceptable trade-off.
I say do not comprised your stories over need cor crazied power fantasy! No gain with lossing something. So let maintain the republic or because Cincinnatus!
This is what is called rationalization to justify something that prima facia (on the face of it) is morally wrong and to allow something that shouldn’t be.
Carry on everyone; back to the lurking section I go here.
It’s not something one should entirely rule out as a possibility, particularly in times of war.
Hey, @idonotlikeusernames, while we’re talking about your plans, how are you likely to feel about the separatism issue? Will you be striving to create a more democratic government across the whole republic? Would you work to lead a rebellion to create a new state over just Laghuna? What if you can reform the republic in Kuthumikha, while Laghuna still separates under the rebelling king? Or is this something where you’ll have to wait and see?
This will be my goal. I’ll have to see how to balance it in writing, but I would plan for their to be tradeoffs, needs to compromise, chances of failure.
Where it comes to ending conditions, there’d be both the matter of where the civil war ends up and where the character ends up…
Yeah. While slavery in Laghuna would tend not to be as bad as the transatlantic slave trade, it’s still dehumanizing, with varying levels of treatment. Verdant-derived cultures typically haven’t institutionalized a hereditary class of slaves, and it’s often not permanent, but it can still be harsh, often for those who lack means, criminals, war prisoners, or wandering poor who lack protection against bandits, especially anyone who lacks protection of family, community, or belong to one of the more vulnerable minorities. On average, household slaves are much more common than field slaves, since most fields are joint community property, but a fortress-holder could set slaves to work on a personal field if they so choose. Maybe a community could hold slaves in common; that’s a thought that only just occurred to me now, so I’d have to work out the ramifications.
But in short, slavery, no matter how it’s practiced, is bad. Lots of bad things exist in this world. (Though on balance it’s no worse than our world at an equivalent time period.)
Hopefully it is not our family selling us out then, however much Mara might want that.
The republic is one and indivisible, or at least that would probably what my mc would have to say one the subject.
In principle, yes, my mc would strive to keep the territorial integrity of the republic intact.
Well from the way you describe it my mc rebellion will likely have its focal point there, but that does not mean he won’t try to subvert or ally with, depending on the circumstances of course, the old republic.
Well I gather that would be rather bad for my mc personally, wouldn’t it? Since most of his wealth and power-base would most likely be in Laghuna and if it separates while the other part reforms my mc will have made himself a member of a disliked minority and poor (again) to boot.
In any case leaving that King in power so his sons can become steadily more attuned vassals of the nasty empire would merely seem to postpone the conflict, for a generation or two at most if we are supremely lucky. So I don’t think my character would allow a monarchist Laghuna to exist if he can do something about that.
Speaking of my mc goals we can add a new one, outlaw slavery in the new republic. The slavery issue is always one thing I tend to feel very strongly about, so yeah my mc would probably want to see it abolished, hopefully without having to experience it from the pov of a slave first.
Anniversary of my birth coming up in… like ten minutes, roughly. I was a night baby.
Maybe I should come up with a bit of dialog for the MC to ask their family if they would ever do such a thing 
Noted. How would you feel about areas that historically were also part of the Verdant Realm, but haven’t been part of the current republic. (It was on that justification that the republic conquered Laghuna about a century back.)
Could be. The official position of the republic is that Laghuna isn’t a different group at all, but they’re only deluding themselves. They might not necessarily act that way, though. (Though there are also racial/ethnic subdivisions that intersect that divide.)
I’ll start thinking about how this might work.
Is anyone here aware of any abolitionist movements outside of the transatlantic one? That’d be something I might wish to reference.
There were a lot - Caribbean, Near Eastern, North African and even the Steppes… wherever there were slaves, basically institutionalized.
Happy birthday 
I will look into it.
Looks like Wang Mang abolished slavery during his brief usurpation in the middle of the Han dynasty (ancient times). Given other similarities, that’s a model I’d likely crib off of.
Thank you 
Happy birthday @TSSL 
Depends on the area my mc’s political leanings and the circumstances, but his baseline views might be to retake them, but only if an opportunity presents itself within realpolitik to do so. Basically if we can make easy Putin-esque grabs of (part of) that territory my mc would go for it, but he would not be eager to risk major conflicts over those areas.
Unfortunately he wasn’t really able to make it stick and I hope my mc will have a better legacy of it. However, basically as @Eiwynn said everywhere there has been slavery there have been abolitionists and most of the times an abolitionist movement too, it’s just that in some places, most notably most of the Middle-East they never gained the strength required to really push for it, but they did exist.