but weren’t the Dutch in Angola to mid 1960’s? Also, the Congo?
Congo was Belgium. They did a nasty racist experience there creating two separated “races” in the African population where it was none. That caused a terrible genocide and a civil war.
Yes, but that was for very shady and very capitalist reasons and besides that’s Africa, not Asia. And our mc’s would need to either become international (black market) arms-dealers or shady “advisers” in order to do it.
Also, like Mara said, the Congo was our neighbours mess, as in the Belgians, though they did get some of their gear and mercenaries from us back then. And we generally have do a very sordid history in Angola, but most of it was way before that (hint we got a great deal of the slaves we traded from there), though some figures on our far right and left did indeed make a living by hiring themselves out as “advisers” to the regimes in that region, including Angola. Of course none of that was in any way sanctioned by our government (at least not officially).
Like I said, the best opportunities for guys, or gals like our mc will probably lie in South America, unless history is going to diverge greatly, post WW2. Africa likely would be both more difficult and more lethal and Asia is nearly impossible, at least on the far left side, for a white guy with no prior connections to get into. Besides unlike Africa, South America did have some nice, livable places to retire, provided you could get a bit of cash together, whereas Africa was sorely lacking in that department.
Angola was Portugese and Congo was Belgian. Both have seen fair share of fight during revolutions. Belgian Congo had some nasty shit going from both colonists (there was little to no supervision of what happened in Belgian Congo) and later from revolutionists in 1960s. Stanleyville cannibalism incident comes to mind first, here’s a read about it: http://simulationsworkshop.tripod.com/dragon.html
I’m enjoying this discussion but can I just point out that the game will not cover the MC retiring/seeking pastures new in post war South America, Africa, Asia or indeed any other continent! 
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Only after they took Loango from us (grumble, grumble), of course we first took it from the Portugese, but that was likely totally justified, yeah. 
Of course all that didn’t stop some serious involvement of Dutch “businessmen” (to this day) with what is now Angola. Therefore, unlike with Indonesia, we were some of the staunchest “supporters” of Angola’s post-colonial independence.
Hello all, yes I’am back!
In fact I was never really gone. Simply put, it’s been slow progress on United We Stand for a variety of reasons; wanting to give myself a proper summer break, realising the scale of the task, starting teaching training etc etc. To be frank I never really got going as I did with Divided We Fall.
However that is not to say I have been demotivated, I just haven’t had the time. What I have managed to do is complete the next chapter for Solidarity party, so please give it a go! Apologies as I think it is a little rough around the edges, although it should all work.
Obviously with what has happened with dropbox the link on the OP is no longer working, but here is the new demo with thanks to dashingdon
https://dashingdon.com/play/alexclifford1994/united-we-stand/mygame/
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I haven’t played through all the options yet, but I like what I see. This is going to be the part where everything heats up, right? If so, then this’ll be a fun chapter indeed, where we the Solidarity will beat back the New Order menace to their own turf. 
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Glad to see this one back. I enjoyed it when I played through it before.
That’s exactly what the task in Sendling is all about. The only question is how you go about it and how dirty your hands get…
Just to provide further info, I’m planning for 2-3 open world chapters like this one where you can complete as 1-5 tasks depending on if you can be bothered or just want the story to advance.
After that you will get to the election campaign, result and then consequences.
Within each path (Solidarity or New Order) i’m planning for their to be 2 routes- Pragmatic and Uncompromising. Pragmatic is easier to achieve than uncompromising as you will find you will have more political allies. Basically for Solidarity the pragmatic end goal is maintaining the current democracy but with your party in power, uncompromising is creating a socialist republic, overthrowing the monarchy.
For New Order, pragmatic = authoritarian state working with the monarchy and conservatives. Uncompromising = building a fascist state with sole New Order rule.
Of course this means a lot of work and it will be slow progress but I’m still really enthusiastic about this project.
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Pragmatic New Order seems just like my cup of tea. Horthy v2, here I come!
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If we do this does that mean that Moscow’s involvement and “support” are going to become inevitable and inescapable at some point on that route?
In any case in my canon run I think I’ll be going for pragmatic, though with that route I hope we can maintain some distinct elements of Democratic Socialism and avoid being either subsumed by and into the Social Democrats eventually or ending up as a marginal 2-3 seat remnant. Which is unfortunately the true story of our more radical and progressive left wing post war, most of it got gobbled up by the Social Democrats who proceeded to waste a lot of the talent they had just “acquired” on the backbenches. 
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looks like you had a typing error fixed it for you 
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so if you don’t mind me asking where is our little slice of Europe in this game the Danube gives some hints but id still like to know.
@AlexClifford1994 doesn’t seems to be the tragic type of writer, such as Cataphrak (that dragoon saga is going to end badly for the MC, I can already see it), but I can be wrong.
I guess it will depend on how “historical” does he want to go. If he goes with the full realism route we will either become a soviet stooge or a dead revolutionary with the uncompromising route. But I remember he saying that he wanted a little more freedom with this game (lore-wise or game-wise? that is the million dollar question), so maybe we will get the chance to install an uncompromising route and end up where we would like it too (after much distress, I can only imagine).
That being said, with my canon path I will go the pragmatic way: a leftist alternative do SDP. That is the plan, things can change during the game. In my “main” gameplay I usually play as if it was the “real me” in the story (don’t we all?), and if the fascists do enough bad things to my comrades and country and can loose my grip and become that kind of guy that just want to see the world burn.
I don’t know if @AlexClifford1994 is going to give us that option. Alex are you going to let us change our course (from pragmatic to radical or the other way around) during the game? The game is turning out great by the way. Congrats.
Eh no, I like to create unique characters, informed by the world they live i and their personal circumstances more than my own skill, abilities and even moral and to a certain extent political outlook.
Most of my mc’s are definitely not me and if I do my job right they may even be nothing like me. I guess it’s just my secret thespian desires.
The one very big exception to that is my sexual orientation, the ability to play openly gay characters who get to be heroes (and occasionally villains) and be more than just “sidekicks” is what drew me here in the first place.
To date all my male mc’s, with one notable exception (but even that one is bi) have been gay men.
Politically my Dragoon mc would probably be a classical liberal who would have fit right in the late 19th century British Liberal Party, of course unlike yours truly he also does not consider himself to be a politician.
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Seriously, why do these games keep slipping past my radar? Following. Now.
Another game by you? I thoroughly enjoyed Divided We Fall even if I just played the demo. Especially the fighter pilot, ’ cause I like planes . I plan to buy it amongst other games in my next birthday.
A question if you don’t mind. Will it be possible for the PC to moderate their position and move closer to the centre of the political spectrum with in game choices (or even turning a full 180 and joining the party that is polar opposite to the MC’s initial positions voluntarily)? I shall be doing my utmost the preserve the constitutional monarchy. It will ride this storm!
Hm? I predict a sunny future for my MC’s even if they have to ride through a storm to get there. Three out of four of them being at the right of the political spectrum probably helps though.
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Central Europe, around where Czechslovakia/Austria were irl
Honestly I haven’t decided yet. It will be a real challenge to follow the uncompromising line and outside assistance may be what swings it…
Intriguing, always interested to hear what people think of my writing/style. Have you read my previous game?
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The game is turning out great by the way. Congrats.
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Thank you very much! What do you think of the new chapter?
Haha, I’m with @ruhenri I always play as myself the first time. On your other points @idonotlikeusernames you can be openly gay in the Solidarity side, was going to make it impossible (at least in terms of pursuing a romance) on the fascist side.
Haha, glad to have you with us! I’m glad you enjoyed the DWF demo, I hope you manage to get it one day! In terms of being moderate, your best bet is following the pragmatic path I outlined above. So if you want to keep the constitutional monarchy you have to follow Solidarity-pragmatic path.
Wow, that’s a lot of replies… But honestly, I really appreciate the interest, having left this project so long I was a bit worried that a lot of the interest that there was at the start would have gone.
having left this project so long I was a bit worried that a lot of the interest that there was at the start would have gone.
We would never! This game is far too interesting for me to simply lose interest over time, i’m happy to see the progress that you are making, may i ask, after our party rises to power, will there be an epilogue about the World War? Or anything talking about the future of the country and/or our character? Or will it all be up for interpretation?
Well as a left-wing gay man in that era my character is probably for striking from the criminal code “any and all so-called crimes against morality”, which was in most cases where the prohibition of gay sex and relationships was found.
I get the impossibility of having gay relationships on the fascist side, fascism was not tolerant of homosexuality in any way up to and including the death penalty in many cases as fascist leaders tended to like burying their country’s gay scene six-feet underground and the Nazi’s didn’t even bother with an even semi decent execution and sent gay men straight to their concentration camps.
To each his own, I never got the point of trying to be totally me in my escapist fiction, though of course some elements of me do inevitably bleed into my various characters, such as homosexuality and most often at least vaguely (socially) liberal political leanings.
Of course my mc here can be pretty close to my actual political leanings if we go for a moderate, democratic socialist, Solidarity path.
Looking to join von Harzberg’s (aristocratic) Conservatives, are we?
You mean like Hillary Clinton going from “Goldwater Girl” to the leader of the Democratic and nominally left-wing party in the US? (though I would argue that it is less a case of Hillary doing a full 180 over the years, though she has mellowed out considerably on social issues since, too bad about her economics though).
Of course it also took Hillary nearly half a lifetime to do that, if our mc does that in just a few short years it likely blows their credibility to hell and this is not the era to pander ideology free, (read they did both have an ideology, the neoliberal one) “new left” or “new right” politics that were popular during the 90’s at the “end of history”.
You mean “straight” hardcore conservative monarchists don’t you there? 
Where my mc hopes the monarch will say and do more stupid things in support of the authoritarian Conservatives or even New Order directly, which would give him cause to call for a plebiscite on the future of the Monarchy should he ever get a majority. Trying to repeat how Italy got rid of the House of Savoy only a decade or so earlier.
On that note @AlexClifford1994 is calling (and winning) a plebiscite on the future of the monarchy something we can possibly do on the moderate Solidarity path?
If a part of what is Austria in our reality is occupied by tiny Moravia in this reality does that mean that we must possibly face the “Anschluss” politics of the Nazi’s as well?
Would the radical New Order path even promote that sort of thing, much like the radical left wing part might get Moscow involved?
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