The Wayhaven Chronicles General Discussion (SPOILER FREE FOR BOOK THREE!)

I’m not a Rebecca fan, but would like to see this as well.

For those of us with characters who have a crappy relationship with her, this info from her might be a way to start mending the relationship a bit. Or, at least, for the two of them to find some common ground. For my character with a 9% relationship with her, it could only help (or so I’d hope!).

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🙋🙋 :eyes:

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But there are no humans in the Echo World anymore.

Anymore

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I wondered who was gonna bring that up. LOL :+1:

What Sera is doing as we read this:

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Sera has said that there was one human who made it from Earth into the Echo World, I assumed Sera was talking about that person. Who then presumably either died there or found a portal back to the human world

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Yeah, I remember her saying only one human made it from our world to Echo, but maybe there were humans in Echo before? Since it’s an ‘echo’ of our world, that would make sense. Maybe the humans of that world died out because they couldn’t evolve and/or reproduce fast enough. Humans could be the dinosaurs of Echo.

Another option, wouldn’t it be cool if certain things were mirrored there? For example, in Wayhaven, if a vampire and human mate and have a kid, the kid is human. What if, in Echo (pretending for a moment there were humans there at one time), when humans mated with supernaturals, the children were supernatural instead of human? Then, humans could’ve just slowly faded away due to weak genes or whatever, and supernaturals thrived.

Sorry for babbling, but discussing lore and theory on crap like this is one of my happy places. :stuck_out_tongue:

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I only hope means can destroy Rebecca reputation in last book I hate her I think she doesn’t care my girl in the slightest only her blood and I hope some chance of revenge on her. But I suppose there is no way and does matter if relationship is zero all will end with Rebecca as super buddies

I don’t think we’ll be forced to end as superbuddies with her, since so far we have had the option to shut her out and down to some extent (though she gets teary or tenses to show that it bothers her that the MC is cold to her or blames her for never being there or putting them in danger with her secrets). Most likely, that will continue, since Sera seems pretty good at letting the player set their relationship, to some extent, with her. Plus, she likes drama and a crap relationship with Rebecca would produce drama with the rest of the team, given that they seem to worship the ground she walks on.

As for hating her–I, as a reader, agree with you and can’t stand Rebecca. However, for my character’s sake , I would love to see things change between them. I don’t think Dezh (Ms. 9% with Rebecca) would ever accept her as a ‘mother’ at this point, since she was never there for her, but she could develop a friendship with her if Rebecca stops certain behaviors and is more humble, less controlling, less insulting (seriously, woman, stop with the “my team is here to babysit you” bullshit) and stops the lies/hiding information. She’d also have to start treating her daughter like she’s an adult, rather than a 2-year-old who has to be kept in a playpen with four babysitters to keep her from hurting herself.

That said, given Sera’s stance that people never change, I highly doubt Rebecca will ever cease her behavior and will continue to lie/hide/demean the MC constantly. She doesn’t seem to learn from anything and just keeps treating the MC like a child and disrespecting her with UB.

But , even so, I do hope there might be some common ground between Rebecca and the MC, at least enough to get my MC to the point where she doesn’t avoid her at all costs and doesn’t border on an uncontrollable rage every time she lay eyes on her. Having Rebecca share her first experience with the supernatural might at least give them some neutral ground where they can relate to each other civilly for five minutes. So even if they go right back to square one after the conversation, at least the MC would have some pleasant interaction with Rebecca to consider, and that’d be a nice change.

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I want exactly all the contrary. I want something in the series go wrong because absolutely everyone else is suer sugary nd rainbows Everyone loves each other and respect each other everyone is good the agency is good other police is good…
I want a realistic relationship . And she was a terrible mother that never was there and only does is dominate her child like it were a robot and doesn’t trust in her him at all. So I want end with zero relationship. I have a fear that last volume will foece me to be super buddies and hugging her in a massive party fill with ponies. And I want ponies for the UB but not for Rebecca

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I don’t think you really need to worry about that since Sera has been adamant about letting the player choose how the relationship between the MC and Rebecca is handled. Even towards the end of the series you can still have a bad relationship with her (here) if you choose to.

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I hope so Because I remember how my 1 relationship with black magic in first heroes rise ended with my character magically in good relationships with before the patches. I was one of my game rage moments ever. So I glad to know if one of my characters hate her have a different ending

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I don’t think everyone/everything is sugar and rainbows. For example:

  • The captain is an asshat (one of my characters already has a horrible relationship with him)
  • The mayor is an asshole (another one of my characters has a crap relationship with him)
  • One of the main love interests literally could not give less of a shit if the MC lives or dies (and Sera admitted they literally mourned a soggy cigarette more than the idea of the MC croaking) and only wants to get into their pants, fully intending to move on to the next target once that’s done (they don’t know plot will force this to play out otherwise, but they still won’t give a crap for a really long time).
  • Two of the romances are basically nonexistent for the almost the entirety of the series, save for a moment or two per book where they show something other than stubborn reluctance or flat out hostility
  • One LIs in the two aforementioned romances will always be mostly cold to them because that’s their personality and it won’t change
  • You can choose to have a sterile relationship with Verda (though why anyone would choose that, I can’t fathom–I love Verda)
  • You can choose to have an antagonistic relationship with Bobby (with, hopefully, the option to physically assault them sometime in the future!)

So yeah, not everything is roses and sunshine. You can have crappy relationships with pretty much everyone, if you so choose (you can even be a jerk to Tina, though she takes it in stride, lol). With UB, you’re pretty much stuck with having a decent relationship with N, at the very least, since N is so damned nice. You can play in such a way that the rest of UB barely tolerates your existence. With M, unless you’ve made an effort or your character is a bit inappropriate, they likely have a crap relationship with M at the end of book 1, anyway. Even if they don’t, M won’t be friendly until way further into the series, no matter how hard you try to make friends.

I agree about the agency being sunshine and rainbows, and would love to see a bad guy come from up high in the agency, but I think Sera said something about everyone else always making huge government agencies evil, so she was going a different way. It’s one of those suspension of disbelief things, as far as I’m concerned.

I agree 100% with this statement.

I really don’t think this will happen. If you notice, Rebecca doesn’t really initiate physical contact with the MC except for in extremely stressful (for her) times, like in the medical room scene when she starts to reach out for the MC’s hand and you can choose to comfort her or tell her the truth, that it’s her fault the MC was in danger. Other than that, she doesn’t seem so touchy/feely, so I don’t see her hugging the MC. She may try to, but I imagine Sera would give the option to push her away or put the nix on it before she gets too close, like she’s done so far.

I completely understand!

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Hunted to extinction?

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That’s my brother’s theory. He thinks supernaturals slipping into our world is some sort of mass exodus for that very reason—quite the imagination on that boy!

Or, maybe they had an easier getting into this world? Or maybe a long time ago, humans and the supernatural were split and the barriers between this world and the EW put up—like, it was easy to pass between worlds once, but not any more? Maybe the reason the barrier is only permeable from one side because it used to be a way to punish supernaturals by banishing them?

Sorry I got a bit carried away.

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Well, the Echo World is an “echo” of our world.

Maybe Supernaturals were just humans once but evolved beyond that thanks to the Echo World’s magic?

Edit: Maybe turning a human into a supernatural involves magic??

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Paintballing with A seems terrifying.
Though…seeing A let go would be a great opportunity to turn it into something else :wink:

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Uhh, so - I’ve got a question…

I was reading through the demo again yesterday night and you know how you have to choose key moments and whatnot at the beginning?
Well, on the part where we’re supposed to select which member of UB we were closest to in Book One “as a friend,” I clicked M. However, when I finished the demo, I clicked on Stats, just to take a look at them and I noticed that it said that M and my MC were “Barely Teammates.”
Is anyone else seeing the same thing, or is it just me? :slightly_frowning_face:

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…yyyyyyyyeah, that’s just how M is. :sweat_smile:

but now that the detective is officially a member of unit bravo, that just might change! :smiley: :crossed_fingers:

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Okay, cool. Just wanted to make sure I wasn’t the only one seeing that. lol

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Yeah, M is just that charming :joy:

But is still worthy imo. If you don’t start to build the path you will never move past the barely teammates, so don’t see it as a pointless thing to do!

I guess on stats wise is something like, for example, to be friends with F, coding wise you need 6 friendship points (I’m saying random numbers here) while for M we might need 12 points to get past the barely teammates. So… Patience and dedication :rofl:

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