The Wayhaven Chronicles: Book One (Discussion) FAQ Located on Post 2


#9620

I’m not certain it has to do with age. I can guarantee you I’m older than you. :wink: I may change my mind in future books, but I have a problem with her treating the MC that way because it tends to cause confidence issues in children and, later, adults, when a parent treats them as though they are creatures in need of constant protection. Especially after being an absentee parent for most of their lives. And treating an adult that way is even worse, and grating, IMO.

Edited to add: Also, treating a child and adult this way typically has one of two effects: you either end up with someone who is afraid of their own shadow or you end up with someone who is so determined to prove the parent wrong that they recklessly endanger themselves and insist on doing everything alone to prove a point. Neither case is good.

I do sympathize with Rebecca, to an extent. It wasn’t her fault that she had to lie for so long. It isn’t the lies that I see as a problem, though, it’s treating the MC like a small child instead of a capable adult who has managed on their own for a long time.

Unfortunately, I saw these examples as mollycoddling. The first one, in particular, was just to get the MC off track enough to accept UB’s presence (if the team was taking over, certain personalities would not have taken it well at all and been like “do it yourself then and leave me alone”). For the “I don’t need protection” one, again, it seemed like little more than pacifying (a mother telling her pre-schooler that, of course they can tie their own shoes, but I’m offering so why not let me help?).

Anyway, I get that Rebecca, as a mother, loves her child despite being an absentee parent. But she needs to get that the MC is not a child anymore and is capable. By the end of book 1, I think UB sees the MC as more competent than Rebecca does. I do believe a lot of Rebecca’s attitude can be explained with guilt she feels over lying and for not being there, but that’s her problem to deal with, not the MC’s problem, so she should figure out how to deal with it while still giving the MC credit for being a capable adult instead of a moron who has to be pacified and can’t tie their own shoes.


#9621

I’m another one of those projecting some of my relationship with my mom(who is also over-protective lol) onto Rebecca - so I don’t dislike her - but Kira has some very real beef with being left out of the loop, and how Rebecca basically said “don’t worry about protecting yourself, Bravo’s got this.”
What if Bravo goofs up?? What if it’s out of Bravo’s control?? No one gave her any tools to even try to fight supernaturals with on her own, even when she was let in on things.
She doesn’t see it as ‘protecting’ her, she sees it as keeping her sheltered; and while she understands the thoughts behind it she doesn’t like it.

I, personally, have mixed feelings. The lies were fair enough, but as soon as they were briefed on the supernatural, MC should have been told how to better defend themselves against Murphy instead of getting Bravo’s evasiveness. And having Bravo treat the case as a joke still irritates me but that’s not all on Rebecca.


#9622

I think its just logical that the MC is not allowed near Murphy. Precisely because MC is an adult, they shoudl react as such and understand that is not necessary a personal thing. Rebecca is their mom, yes, but she is also part of the Agency, and part of her job is telling MC what to do. Not has a mother, but as a superior in the chain of command (and even more after MC becomes the liaison of WH).

And, well, is Rebecca lying? MC, by themselves, would be totally useless against Murphu on book 1. The Detective has no training against supernaturals, so there is no means to defend themselves. If MC can’t see that, then that’s a problem of pride, because common sense says that, yes, MC needs protection.

One of my MC’s was very frustrated by the situation, but she would never blame Rebecca because is not her fault, really. The frustration came from knowing that she was powerless against Murphy if he would find her, because she has always been a person proud of her ability to protect herself and others. But at the end of the day, all my MC’s are professionals that understand the magnitude of the situations and that is something that its beyond their capabilities as its now.

Tho, they are all determined to learn how to be able to defend themselves one way or another. They think UB will not always be there, and when that moment comes, they want to be as ready a human can be.


#9623

What is the best route to get the most friendship points with UB?
I tried looking into the code as @resuri08 suggested but am very confused by it.


#9624

It vastly depends on who you want to get points with. A lot of the friendship points are by taking one member of UB with you. So, if you want a more even friendship, try to take each of them on different situations and not go all the time with one of them.

Also, when you are having a group conversation, you will not be able to earn points with all of them, but with one or two.

But, tbh, if I was you I wouldn’t worry to much, specially since Sera said that the friendship will develop in a natural way through the series :slight_smile:


#9625

There is no best route to get friendship points. As @Meira_Litch says it depends on who you wanna get points with.
There are some choices which get you friendship points with two or more UB members (but this is rare) - examples:

  • Doing the tests
  • “No cross-wielding at Murphy”
  • (at the hospital with Nate and Mason): “Yes. It gives me confidence to be working with you all”

If you’re interested in the code, then this is how to get max friend points with each character.

Adam

Summary
  • “Seeing as you’re so concerned, ${adam}, you come with me.”
  • “I think we could make a good team if we could work together.”
  • “We’ll patrol for a few hours, then head home.”
  • “Aw, see? You do like me, really.”
  • “I didn’t realise I had to look a certain way in order to solve crime.”
  • Call ${adam}.

(if Bar)

  • {adam}.
  • “Sorry. You get that one, and I can manage the rest.”

(if Office)

  • “Work is important, especially in what we do. We can’t just clock off.”
  • {adam}.
  • “My job is to protect others, too.”

_

  • Do the tests—I’m interested in the results myself./Do the tests—it’s the only way to find out what’s really going on./Do the tests—I need to know how to defend myself with this mutation./Do the tests—I want to help them as much as I can.
  • Despite our differences, I respect ${a_him}. It would be good to talk.
  • “You’re not a monster…well, your attitude kind of is.”
  • “Guess you can still enjoy a nice Bolognese.”
  • “No cross-wielding at Murphy. Got it.”
  • “That sounds pretty useful.”

(if Hospital: Adam & Felix)

  • “I don’t mind at all. It was just unexpected.”
  • “Knowing even part of his motivation may help us with the case.”

(if Hospital: Nate & Mason)

  • “Thanks, but I can handle doing my job.”/ “Thanks, but I’ll be okay. I’ve got backup.”

_

  • “I can’t just go and let you fight them off yourself!”/“I’m not leaving you, ${adam}.”/“It’s the best plan we have.”

Max friend points: 17

Nate

Summary
  • “Don’t worry about it.”/“Don’t worry…I’m pretty ashamed of how I acted too.”
  • Thank ${n_him} for helping to calm the situation.
  • …making me smile back and say, “It was good working with you too. See you tomorrow.”
  • “This will be a delicate situation.” ${nate} seems the best at that so far.
  • “What good am I if I can’t stop this from happening!”/“I need to catch this guy before having to tell another mother her child is dead.”
  • “Of course. I’d be happy to help.”
  • “I doubt anything will happen tonight, but be careful.”
  • …wrapping the wound with a cloth.
  • Roll my eyes, too tired to deal with quips today.
  • Call ${nate}.

(if Bar)

  • “Might be nice to get to know you guys out of a professional atmosphere.”
  • {nate}.
  • …I say, “Thanks for helping me with the drinks.”

(if Office)

  • “Our work is necessary, but there has to be a balance or we’ll just burn out.”
  • {nate}.
  • “You’re lucky you have me around to save you.”

_
(if Mom relationship bad)

  • “I know. I just need time to mull over all of this.”/“I can forgive her…eventually.”/“I love her too but she can’t just expect me to be fine with it all.”/Sigh. “You’re right.”

(if Mom relationship neutral)

  • “I know. I just need time to get over all of this.”/“I don’t blame her…it’s just so much to take in.”/“I love her too, but it’s still going to take time.”/Sigh. “You’re right.”

(if Mom relationship good)

  • “I love her too. I know she was just trying her best.”/“I don’t blame my mother, but that doesn’t mean I’m completely all right with it.”/“It’ll be easier for me and her now that I know everything.”

_

  • Do the tests—I’m interested in the results myself./Do the tests—it’s the only way to find out what’s really going on./Do the tests—I need to know how to defend myself with this mutation./Do the tests—I want to help them as much as I can.
  • “I just came to check how you and the team are doing.”/“I’m not really sure why I stopped here.”
  • “Guess you can still enjoy a nice Bolognese.”
  • “No cross-wielding at Murphy. Got it.”
  • “Where did that legend come from then?”
    (if Hospital: Adam & Felix)
  • “Thanks for worrying but I’ll be fine.”/“If he’s still lurking around the hospital then he’s dumber than we thought.”
    (if Hospital: Nate & Mason)
  • “This obviously isn’t part of your normal, day-to-day duties.”
  • “You’re all vampires. That’s pretty amazing! And surprisingly useful for investigations.”/“Yes. It gives me confidence to be working with you all.”
  • “I’m grateful for your help with all of this, and for keeping me safe.”/“Don’t worry—I like having all of you around.”/“If you keep buying me food, then you can stay for as long as you want.”/“I’ve enjoyed having a team to work with.”
  • “Are you going to be okay?”/“We’ll get through this, don’t worry.”

Max friend point 23

Mason

Summary

(if talk to Tina’s witness)

  • “Pizza delivery.”
  • glare back.
  • {mason}'s probably the least intrusive, so {m_she} can come.”
  • I try to calm down and apologise./I refuse to be the one to move first. None of this is my fault.
  • “Let’s just get this over with.”
  • “This is how I look. Deal with it.”
  • Call ${mason}.

(if Bar)

  • {mason}.

(if Office)

  • “I was only trying to help, jeez.”
  • {mason}.
  • “Well, uh, thanks….”

_

  • Do the tests—I’m interested in the results myself./Do the tests—it’s the only way to find out what’s really going on./Do the tests—I need to know how to defend myself with this mutation./Do the tests—I want to help them as much as I can.
  • “Does this kind of thing actually get people into bed with you?”
  • “I should be allowed to know how to defend myself.”
  • “No cross-wielding at Murphy. Got it.”
  • “I suppose I’ll have to watch myself from now on then.”

(if Hospital: Nate & Mason)

  • “We’ll try and make it quick.”/ “Are you going to be okay?”
  • “I came to check that you were all right.”
  • “Sorry, but my dreams don’t involve anything to do with you.”
  • “I’m used to only relying on myself….”/“Yes. It gives me confidence to be working with you all.”

_

  • “I already left the others. I’m not leaving you too!”/"…All right."/“Fine, but only to get help. I’m coming back.”

Max friend points: 19

Felix

Summary

(if go over crime scene)

  • “I’m pretty sure we’re safe enough.”/“I would like the help—if that’s okay?”
  • {felix} can come along." !{f_she}'ll make interesting company, at least.
  • "I wish we could do more.
  • “Don’t worry about it. No one is made of stone.”
  • “Is that somebody’s attempt at modern art?”
  • “I’ll take any chance to give my opinion.”
  • “Well, that’s just rude.”
  • Call ${felix}.

(if Bar)

  • “I think ${adam}'s disapproving glare is chaperone enough!”/“Less of a chaperone, more of an enabler.” Wink back./“I’m all for getting out of the office. In whatever capacity.”
  • {felix}.
  • “Nice try, but you’re going to have to look for distraction from someone else.” Chuckle.

(if Office)

  • “I’m all up for us all going out some time. We should totally blow off steam.”
  • {felix}.
  • “Yeah, I find falling on my ass always helps me feel heroic.”

_

  • Do the tests—I’m interested in the results myself./Do the tests—it’s the only way to find out what’s really going on./Do the tests—I need to know how to defend myself with this mutation./Do the tests—I want to help them as much as I can.
  • It’s been a bit dull without ${f_his} strange but fun attitude around.
  • “Strength isn’t everything, you know.”
  • “Guess you can still enjoy a nice Bolognese.”
  • “No cross-wielding at Murphy. Got it.”

(if Hospital: Adam & Felix)

  • “Actually yeah, I’m going to try and see what I can get off of this. Wanna help?”
  • “This may surprise you, but that doesn’t help me relax at all.”

_

  • …saying with a smile, “How could I not help but like you all?”/…saying, “Yeah, I guess I’ve come to like you all in the end.”
  • “Come in. What’s up?”
  • “I’m better now that I’m home, and in a familiar place.”/“Still figuring it all out, but I’ll get there.”/“Me? Pfft! I’m the master of ignoring problems until I forget about them.”/“To be honest, I don’t think it’s all really sunk in yet.”/“Undecided. Thrilled to know about vampires and the supernatural…but not keen on being a target!”/“You don’t have to worry about me. I’ll be fine.”/“Excited! A whole new world just opened up to me, more exciting than the human one.”
  • “You’re worried about me, when you’re the one who’s badly hurt?”/“I’m better with you here.”

Max friend points: 22


#9626

When it comes to Rebecca, I can’t be angry with her. I’m used to having overprotective parents. And I’m not overly afraid, in fact I’m actually more likely to go out and try new things. I also don’t do those things in order to prove something either. I just learned how to roll with it and put my foot down if they were overreacting about something.

Like once, I said that I wanted to go to Atlantic City and my dad said he didn’t want me to go because “People die in Atlantic City”. Lol, ok, pretty sure that’s a universal thing everywhere. But I went after I discussed it some more with him to calm his fears and I texted him every day I was there. It seems unreasonable but I know that my dad lost his parents at an early age so he has fears about things he isn’t able to control.

Maybe Rebecca is the same way and whatever happened to MC’s father has something to do with her personality. I will say that my parents were always around and supportive so it’s not the same thing as Rebecca so maybe that makes a difference. But still, Rebecca has seen some really scary and traumatizing stuff while MC is on her first murder case in a small town. I don’t think it’s unreasonable for her to react this way. I found the others, except N, treating the case like a joke much more offensive. They also should’ve better equipped the MC to protect themselves instead of thinking they were all unstoppable and they didn’t need the help from some weak human.


#9627

I’m actually inclined to agree with you on this one. I’m not exactly a kid over here, and I am a mother, and Rebecca gets on my nerves, too. Part of it for me is the “too little too late” element of it, I admit. Childhood and teen years are major, formative periods for people. That is when they need support. A grown-ass adult, pardon my language, is not the one who needs the kind of support Rebecca is trying to provide. It feels like Rebecca is trying to just “make up for lost time”, but the lost time is “the MC growing up”, and it just doesn’t work that way. You can’t revert your kid to a child again once they’re grown, and if you want to rebuild a relationship that broke down in those days with your now-adult child, you need to treat them like a peer.

Also this, yes.

There’s nothing logical about refusing to let the MC be involved, as a consenting adult with a full understanding of the situation, in baiting a trap for Murphy. Yes, the MC is not capable of handling Murphy alone, but when they suggest that they could be used to draw Murphy out, implying a controlled set of circumstances where they are not alone and people who should be able to handle him can be on hand, where the Agency is able to arrange everything and try to cover every base, and Rebecca shuts that down without even giving it the time of day, that’s just flat emotionally-motivated decision making, and it’s not rational. Yes, the MC shouldn’t be allowed to handle Murphy alone, but there are logical ways the MC can be involved and beneficial in a significant way by handling the situation intelligently, and Rebecca is not willing to consider that or give the MC the opportunity to even make their case.


#9628

The MC wasn’t refused to get involved, the MC was refused to get physically close to Murphy, which is common sense. And also, do we know any of this? It’s obvious once you play the game that the Agency is not able to cover every scenario. If that was the case, they would have expected the Thralls in the middle of the day, or Murphy having DMB, for putting an example.

MC was allowed to keep working on the case and capture of Murphy, which is, in my opinion, the best that can be done. As far as the Agency knows, the one thing that is sure about Murphy is that he is unpredictable, so, thinking they can out-smart a vampire that has evade them for so long, would not be the most clever idea imo. Obviously Rebecca is also taking decisions as a mother, there is no doubt on that, and thank god she is, other wise, the MC would probably be dead.

Also, the point of Rebecca trying to make up for the lost time, is heavily down to interpretation and your relation with her. My MC’s have a good relation with her and are very close. And, well, Rebecca would still go to MC’s important events and all that stuff, and having my own mother coming home rather late due to her work, I never felt like she was absent at all, but this, again, depends on the person. I was at school at morning and afternoon, so to me, my mom was away only for a couple of hours. Because of this, I can’t go down the headcanon of Rebecca being absent all the time and trying to win back the lost time.

Anyway, all this is really a subjective matter. I never get the impression of Rebecca treating MC as a child, specially when Sera says over and over again that Rebecca does trust MC and her decisions as a responsible adult.


#9629

Yes, Sera has implied repeatedly that she does trust the MC. She wants the MC to have freedom and she gives that freedom.

This relates to MC’s romance choice, but still the implication is that she trust the MC’s choices and decisions.

So Rebecca does wants the MC to be free and live her life, make her own choices and decisions. But when it comes to Murphy, she’s just being logical and practical that it’s impossible for MC to defeat MC. The MC going near Murphy, in part, does worry her personally as a mother; but, in part, because the agency has not discovered the full effects of her blood mutation and because the agency knows that Murphy is experimenting on people with blood mutation, it’s just dangerous to lead the MC straight into Murphy’s hands - it’s dangerous using her as bait with Unit Bravo protecting her.


#9630

I think we all kind of underestimate just how dangerous Murphy is.

We have NO ideas how many people he killed, really. The only ones we KNOW of are Garret, Janet, and Unit Uniform, and that still a lot, especially considering 4 of then were trained supernatural agents who had guarded Wayhaven for years, and its implied that he killed a lot more. How many? Dozens? We don’t know but Rebecca certainly does.

He also invaded capture for moths, maybe longer and was able to fight Unit Bravo to a stand-still without the MC’s blood.

Murphy is dangerous, Rebecca knows this, and the MC is just barely learning about the Supernatural. I don’t blame her for not wanting the MC around him!


#9631

I still think the MC should’ve been given more information about potential weaknesses of vampires. Yes, in theory, the Agency, Rebecca, and Unit Bravo have all the bases covered. But crazy off the script things can happen. You can’t tell me that the Agency doesn’t have any sort of self defense weapons for their human agents to use. If they didn’t want the MC involved, they should’ve had them stay underground in their facility. If they were OK with them being involved, they need to be properly briefed and trained to encounter the supernatural.

Their decisions were reckless and it almost got the MC killed.


#9632

I think that was more UB okay, mostly A being not okay with the MC knowing than Rebecca tho. A did want them to stay in the facility too. Should they have told the MC? Probably. But that’s not really Rebecca’s fault


#9633

Iirc, the agency doesn’t have human agents. Humans are not powerful enough to defeat supernaturals, thus the absence of human agents. Rebecca had told the MC that during the tour of the facility.


#9634

I don’t think it was reckless. Let me explain with a short example.

If a civil (MC) is being followed by someone, or is the possible target of someone, they can put the civil on a protection program (UB), but the police is not going to give training to a civil out of the blue.

Now that MC is a liaison and part of the Agency, I’m sure they will provide all the training necessary.

Tho, I agree that they should have let the MC know about the dangers they were facing. This is the one thing that has piss me off about UB (except N, who wants to tell us the truth) along the game.


#9635

I think that was my biggest problem with this game. The mother, although the author wanted her to be seen as a caring mother. She came off as overprotective and there’s nothing wrong with an overprotective parent(unless there too overprotective.)It just felt like it just clicked into her head as soon as the MC turned an adult. and that’s my problem because there’s so many questions left unanswered, why did she tell her teammates insted of the mc about the killer? Why did she tell the team leader to lie about the case? Why didn’t she tell the mc earlier about their blood or supernatural, if she knew it was going to come to this? And what if mc was a supernatural themselves(non canon but still), would’ve she still been overprotective? Does she trust her teammates more than her own son/daughter?( i hope this didn’t come off as a hate comment i’ll delete if it does.)


#9636

It’s ok, you are free to air your thoughts. And no, it doesn’t come across as too harsh / rude.

I guess the one of the answer to that is that the information is classified, and that she was not given clearance to tell the MC when MC’s identity was unknown. She is a good agent and has to keep the information secret.
Sure, it’s not a very good reason, but it has to be done.


#9637

That’s the thing, tho. She was trying to AVOID it coming to this. Rebecca never wanted the MC to learn about the Supernatural. Ever. And probably never would even have them meet Unit Bravo if not for a vampire hunting them down.

Rebecca’s job is to keep people from learning about the Supernatural, including her child, thats why she lied and told Unit Bravo to lie. Its Unit Bravo’s job to find Murphy and bring him in, thats why they know. She does trust her child but its not about trust, its about her doing the job she was hired to do. Keep humans from learning about the Supernatural.

Your questions were all answered, friend.


#9638

To don’t make a wall of text again, I will just say that the point is, Rebecca didn’t know MC’s blood would cause a situation like this one.

Rebecca and UB weren’t working on Murphy’s case until he came to WH and killed UU. She didn’t tell the Detective because she wanted her child to live a normal life like most humans do. And is not about not trusting the MC, is just MC is a civilian. I don’t even think Rebecca would be allowed to tell the Detective even if she wanted to. The same way secret organisations in our real world are not allowed to share secret information with their close relatives, and, if for any reason their family was involved in a case, they would still not be allowed to disclose information with them.


#9639

I just want to put my two cents, I’m speaking from experience since my mom too is overprotective (she still sometimes worries about me like i’m a child, and being the youngest sibling doesn’t help) when I say that Rebecca just wanted to keep her child safe, she didn’t want to bring her child into the supernatural world

Also on an unrelated note I finally drew my own profile picture :grinning: !