That’s a continuity error.
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[quote=“MahatmaDagon, post:2768, topic:26275”]
There are a few different versions of the report depending on some decisions, but the quote you are referring to is probably this one:
“The trouble was… we were closer to their territory than to ours, and their reinforcements could arrive soon.”
I can understand now your initial impression, and I can probably word it better for clarification, like saying they had a fortification nearby from which more troops could come.[/quote]
That would be a little better, but I would still probably receive that as though I failed to prepare as well as they did. Every time I was given an opportunity to safeguard my lands I took it, so I would have selected to build outposts if given the option. I’ll come back to this, though.
[quote=“MahatmaDagon, post:2768, topic:26275”]
Okay, but hopefully someone does. 
Again, perhaps I should lock this behind a stat check or something.[/quote]
Maybe not a stat check, but some type of hidden scene check where if the MC delved into something supernatural or fought a spawn in the past. I pursued knowledge aggressively, so might have passed the check while still having no interest.
Both have flaws, but please play Uncharted Waters, because it was the game I’ve spent the most time playing. The story is horrible, but you have so much freedom, and you spend so much time building up this perfect fleet and sailing the world, and then at the end, the ending is so unsatisfying because you’ve spent the entire game enjoying the freedom of the game, and then suddenly are marrying the King’s daughter and becoming King. I JUST WANTED ANOTHER SHIP IN MY FLEET. LET ME GO SAIL AGAIN! Sorry, but the game gives you 4 options of how you want to be rewarded, and they all end the exact same way.
This taught me early on that a game can’t tell you what to care about. You have to be conditioned to care about it. I’m not generally a fan of sandbox games, but after playing one for so long, I wanted it to stay that way. For all the weaknesses of Uncharted Waters, the trade is amazing. The combat is amazing. It is a fantastic game, and I am actually interested in building a CYOA inspired by it. But given that I am still in the “outline” phase of my first CYOA, this is way down the road.
[quote=“MahatmaDagon, post:2768, topic:26275”]
Ok, two points here:
1 - There are LOTS of references about the “power of prophecies” inside the game and even on the description I gave on the first post here. There are books that mention it, characters that dismiss it, characters that claim to possess it and massive events that happened because someone chose to pursue one of them(the origin of King’s End).
You(and your character) don’t need to believe that stuff, but many characters take it seriously and have done lots of things because of it. I do plan to add a retro update to expand more on the possibility of the MC trying to pursue that aspect, with weird dreams and dubious foretellings, but I want this to be optional.
If by “prophetic battle against supernatural creatures” you mean the MC x the Holy Ones/Abyssal Spawns, I think this does make sense if you get the path where you go to Ehael and confront them. Perhaps it doesn’t if you don’t.[/quote]
References alone don’t make me care about something, though. A great example is the prophet who claims to have visions. Whether you give him permission to stay or not, he’s immediately out of the story, and with a serenity and stoicism that make him interesting. I would have been interested in learning more about him, and wouldn’t that have been a great way to learn more, from a character I’ve met and had the opportunity to make a decision to support? Now, there’s a tie-in, a connection between my actions and the story, as well as a character to focus it through. Then, because I am spending time talking to this prophet, I start questioning the Two more, and diving into that. Word gets round that I am a friend of heretics, and then when I meet Lady Avellyn, she has a reason to trust me, because she has heard I was willing to question. I just pulled that out of my ass and tell me that isn’t beautiful.
I did not get that path on any of my playthroughs. Is that a random thing, or do past decisions factor in?
[quote=“MahatmaDagon, post:2768, topic:26275”]
Come on, this is all in the game. She’s the current Lady of Farhall…[/quote]
What I mean is, who is she to me? I know her title, but I don’t know HER. This is the first time we’ve spoken.
[quote=“MahatmaDagon, post:2768, topic:26275”]
What would be the correlation of her trusting you and your refusal or consent in sending troops to the king? 
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There’s none. I guess I was thinking of that as the only chance I had to show I wasn’t selfish, or cared about more than my own domain?
[quote=“MahatmaDagon, post:2768, topic:26275”]
I can understand you not liking the chance of tone and being “spoon-fed”, but I have to insist that most of the things you complained about were always there, and don’t have to be the “final truth” just because of what is happening. There is even a passage for high-Social characters which considers that perhaps this whole talk about more fallen stars and Abyssal Spawns coming is just a false flag to rally the Western Peninsula under a single ruler.[/quote]
Great time to talk stats. I started this last play through with 40 in Knowledge and Social, read every book and scroll, funded the alchemists, bought all the pretty clothes and wines, went to mass and hobnobbed, basically did everything I could to max those abilities (and would have done more had I not run out of court options), yet still wasn’t high enough to choose that. What are the thresholds for some of those checks?
[quote=“MahatmaDagon, post:2768, topic:26275”]
Well, you weren’t able to convince the others. What else could I do here? Add EVEN MORE attempts at you trying to convince them? I don’t know, maybe it’s because I see those interactions from an author’s perspective(since I can see all the options), but I always had the feeling that there was enough talk with them, and that it was getting redundant/boring pretty fast.[/quote]
I still think that there should be some effort from Dulsen to “buy” your vote. I was loaded on coin (more on that later), but maybe if I’d chosen different paths, I could have needed aurens.
[quote=“MahatmaDagon, post:2768, topic:26275”]
Perhaps I am wrong, perhaps there is plenty of talks SIDEWAYS, but not enough LINEAR ones, in a sense that what I perceive as a vast amount of possible interactions with them is only an illusion from my point of view.[/quote]
I never have the opportunity to invite another lord to visit (despite having tried to cultivate relationships with both), or to write a letter to one of them (despite having enough dead time to skip days), or send a gift (despite having over 10k aurens even after giving my army 4k from battle). I think maybe that’s the problem. The story puts you in a mindset of ignoring the outside world until it comes to you. I feel too passive in this world. Just something as simple as “write a letter to (name of noble)” to increase relationship, and if your combined relationship/social score is high enough, you learn shit. Dulsen confides about his son, Sessohana talks to you about Sartham. If you gave me a chance to pursue the plot, I would. But because I have no choice but to just wait for things to come to me, I don’t care about them as much.
[quote=“MahatmaDagon, post:2768, topic:26275”]
It’s not exactly discarded. If you survive, you become King/Queen. This was, supposedly, Jenneth’s plan all along.[/quote]
Wouldn’t know, I died. As I mentioned, wasn’t so good at the combat thing. By the way, regarding that fight, I’d given my military advisor the ancient sword and brought him with me, yet it didn’t seem to improve my survivability. In fact, the only time his presence is mentioned, it’s me having to defend him. Really, what the hell was that? My 20 combat ass defending my bodyguard?
[quote=“MahatmaDagon, post:2768, topic:26275”]
Okay, I can understand wanting more information about Daedros, and this is something I could perhaps spread more throughout the game. But I do have to point out that I don’t think Lord Dulsen would confide in the MC with such knowledge because, well, like it or not the man is a scoundrel. He puts on a façade as a likable man, but I think more than one NPC has already said that he can’t exactly be trusted.[/quote] He’s still human. I think the letters and associated relationship/social hidden test would handle that.
[quote=“MahatmaDagon, post:2768, topic:26275”]
He wants you as an ally, of course, and he wants to be on good terms with you, but he wants you to support him, not the other way around[/quote]
Real talk: I would have supported him had he made ANY tangible offer. He was smart, governed well, came to my aid when I needed him, and I had married his daughter. I get that some players wanted to be King, and given enough playthroughs, I would be as well, but it wasn’t that important to me.
[quote=“MahatmaDagon, post:2768, topic:26275”]
While I do agree that planting a seed can be a good idea, I don’t think there’s a reason for her to try to tell you to vote for Dulsen, because she knows about the attack and that the man won’t survive for long. I think it might actually be more confusing.[/quote]
Yeah, but if Dulsen were chosen as king, when he died, Gaedros would be the heir, right? Different way of getting there, but still a win.
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Do dulsen, the boglan lady and lad avallyn all dir
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yes, they do
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Maybe only me but the save functions got bug on me.
Did you struck on the stat screen?
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Universal Dashingdon slot errors. Make a backup of saves and try to spread them over close intervals. Beyond that, the issue is unfixable.
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Ahhh so that way it happened
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A bit of an advice here. Don’t load or save on the stat screen.
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It would be great if you can show map changes for example if you lose or gain land then it shows up on the map
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How can we get a bastard
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have sex with your maid you can encounter her in your court duties
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the maid mentioned earlier (Nada), Jenneth, Lodka, and Vradnir are your choices, I believe.
so a question is there a way to get both the meteor armor and sword? side note how do you defetet the abyssal creature?
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You can get them both. Once you get the sword, go fight the abyssal spawn and it should kill the monster. The combat check is high if I remember
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then i get it i had maxed the combat but i dident win but thats cuz i dident have the sword at the time it was still in the making ait ait imma try again then thx for the info
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So by killing the monster that’s how you get the armour?
Well to be exact, you have to keep the monster and don’t let the inquisitor get it. Let the alchemists guild study it and by the near end of the game an option will show up that allows you to create the armor
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Hey man I would just like to say that this was a VERY entertaining game, it did get a bit shallow and “End Turn” spammy at times, but the actual encounters and especially the endings were very well written. I managed to get about 3-4 different ones using the same save file. And one thing that they all have in common is that!
Spoilers, no seriously don't read this if you havnt gotten an ending or two
Jenneth is a fucking bitch that needed a few months in the torture dungeon for what she did #FuckJenneth
But yeah I really enjoyed this, I kinda wish that the temple had more content, since you could only upgrade it for seemingly no reward or point and you could talk to the preachers like once each and all they say is “how upgrade our shit”
It would have also been nice if you got to hang out with your Council more, since the Sage guy or whatever, Old Man Jenkins, barely did like fuck all or gave any good advice all I recall him saying was like “fuck I dunno ask someone else” so I feel some just talky talk fun times would have benefitted him but the other three were quite enjoyable and helpful so I WANTED to actually interact with them more. Also maybe hanging out with guards more, there was a part where some can die if you are incompetent enough and I literally gave no fucks since I saw them maybe once but it was meant to be a bit of a sombre mood.
Also it would have been nice if you got to interact with your spouse more, since after the wedding you get a very quick but surprisingly Yummy description of the fucky fuck time then you can fuck in the open somewhere and on the table so that was amusing, then they kind of just poof vanish, never to be seen again, which is a bit sucky.
B U T besides those grievances I really enjoyed it and again, dose endings MWA my fave probably being the
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What I assume to be ‘Good Ending?’ where you kill Traitorous bitch and her friends, everyone else dies, rip, and you lose one of your goons, dicks out for my main man Vrad ;-;, and then promptly take over fucking everything, I think I likes this one the most since I got to kill Jenneth who fucked me over in 3 other endings
TLDR Very enjoyable game, wish their was more character interactions and Meat since I relatively quickly exhausted all options that were not the go to Court one. And I hope in the next game where we play as our children, or our characters again, we can get some cute interactions, which I hope their are more of, though I do understand why that aspect is lacking, since this game was most likey a variable coding nightmare and is already very big without extra character fluff.
I know this is more me bitching then praising but im bitching since I enjoyed it so much that all this stuff would just make it so much better, which I want it to be due to its enjoyability.
So yeah <3 thanks for making the game!
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How did you get the good ending?? I tried literally EVERYTHING. Nothing broke me like this betrayal, Jenneth I actually loved you bitch istg.
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