The Sword of Rhivenia: Book One (CHECK #3830)

Because Clara has always humoured him.

No, she can’t. Because, again, when the crown prince wants to marry a commoner, that commoner says “yes”. Like, I’m not even saying that a non-MC-romanced Clara doesn’t want to marry Richard. I’m saying that if she didn’t, she’d STILL say yes. Because medieval commoners do not actually get to tell crown royals “no”.

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Oh they have the right say it but is the consequences that is holding them back if Clara speak the magic words all hell might befall her father and the Rhivenias if Richard becomes king

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You know what. @NutellaQueen does Clara actually love Richard.

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To say the truth I don’t think so, Clara might have loved him but when we came into the picture our interactions or her feelings to want something appeared in reality she just couldn’t hold back, we are humans after all we got the good and the bad side of ourselves with needs and wants

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I think you should be a bit more specific than that. More like “Hey author does Clara wants to be with him in ALL routes? Even on the MC romancing route? Or in some variations she’s uncomfortable with him?” Would be more appropriate, since this is one of the whole points of the discussion here.

And hey author you don’t really need to answer this if you’re uncomfortable with taking part on the discussion. Just wanted to make this clear because some people are uncomfortable to be put on the spot specially when they weren’t here to see the whole discussion to begin with.

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Tbf it wouldn’t make sense to ask about the MC route its literally your route. I have played enough of these VNs and CYOA games to know that once you play an ROs route and pick the right options they will fall for you. But I suppose you have a point about being more specific, but I am more interested about a general statement.

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Yes it would because it’s still a route, therefore it’s still a side of the character we don’t get to see in others.
But on the general note? I agree with you in the “she might be interested” thing, because if she doesn’t show she’s uncomfortable then it might be true yeah. I can only speak for the route where she shows signals of not being into him since my point was just him not knowing basic human decency of taking a no. If she likes him on other routes tho? Good for them, they have my support.
Both sides have their own point with the “but she might have agreed cause he’s royalty” or “she might love him”. I think it could go both ways if she doesn’t give us a clue.

This is a good point, but that would mean she never loved him. We all met around the same time and I would like to imagine we had interactions off screen during the time skips. So if her feelings shifted that much it would mean that at most she only had a crush on him.

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Bruh she is a woman she got needs to be satisfied and want a man of her choice which I personally feel that her as a romance option just would not workout with two prince fighting over her without the consideration that Clara was once a free woman who had options to choose and experience life on her own now she is chained by her own self interest to pick the one she loves and Clara just going along with both prince is not helping anyone but herself, eventually there will be only one loser, one winner and one with indecision and regrets who will be wondering what could have happen if she have married the loser instead of the winner of this love triangle if the mc pursue her any further and if Clara just sit down and ask herself why is she playing with the feelings of two prince who are the foundation of the future for the kingdom

Tbh on the “love triangle” route isn’t really her playing with us, but her position as a commoner weights heavily on her and on that route it shows. She gets shit from the others because she gets attention from them already, imagine if she was ever to say NO to both/one of them? She’s interested on MC on that route as it shows on her POV but for me that’s the main reason why she doesn’t outright say no for Richard even if it makes her uncomfortable. She has no choice there, she’s afraid of the spot she’s into. She can’t be with the person she wants without getting hate for with, but she will also get shit for it no matter what.

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:pensive: hmmm ok think about this if Clara keep continuing this instead of confessing outright about who she loves it will keep eating inside her until something snaps, Clara is a gentle romactic and kind hearted but is this really the life she want a life to be pressured into politics she just does not give a dammm about, if Clara had decided to think this through she would not be playing with people who can make her life and her father’s life a living nightmare, she love horses because they inspire a sense of freedom which she could had have but now she is living a false life thinking that she is happy when in reality she feels trapped

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I think she also cares about Richard as a friend tho, but doesn’t wanna hurt his feelings. She’s very happy to spend time with him but not when he turns it into a whole romantic thing. She isn’t playing with him, she genuinely likes his company just not romantically. And I agree with you there will be a point where she will put her foot down and say “NO” because she’s tired of it.
She didn’t really had a choice on being involved because she was just being friendly.
It’s like: your best friend is in love with you but you don’t like her, you like this other girl who also likes you back. You also know that your friend hates on the girl you like just because she knows you both like each other to the point she’s hostile to that girl.
You want to tell your best friend to back off? Absolutely. But her dad is also the head of idk a bank, and your dad is full with debts with that one bank, and if you say no to her and she gets angry at you she can ruin your entire life.

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That in political science is called Machiavellianism and something that is taught in the book “The Prince” is that a good person cannot necessarily be a good ruler.

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Pssst, The Prince is satire. Macchiavelli REALLY didn’t like the local rulers, because they exiled him, and he was basically airing the dirty laundry.

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At least the thread is alive again even if it’s just everyone arguing.

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Still, a just ruler is better than a merciful one who sees no malice in other human beings.

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Neither Charles nor the dude described in The Prince are just rulers.

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Charles is though.
He killed the king who wanted to betray him and secured, through taking Xavier as a hostage, an alliance. It would’ve been his right to invade Asniea, but he allowed Lena to rule her Lands how she saw fit, as long as she honoured the alliance, seems pretty just in my eyes.

Spoiler for Patreon Demo:

He also executed, his brother Francis, on the basis that he would get assassinated by him and had sufficient prove to justify it.

Charles is a just ruler, he doesn’t act upon is emotions, rather on facts and logic.

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