The Shadow Society General Discussion Thread (REWRITE IN PROGRESS). Rewrite update on #302

I like checking in here every now and then, always glad to see you posting and giving updates! TSS was one of my first IFs, and even tough it’s been many years since then, I’ve always kept in the back of my head. The concept of the universe (if that makes sense) was always so intriguing to me, so much so that once in a blue moon I re-read TSS, altough it’s always painful to finish it and realize there’s no more to come afterwards.

I’m really excited to see what new stuff you come up with, even if it is unrelated! One project needn’t define the rest of them!

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So…remember how I said in that update post how I might MAYBE do a TSS rewrite and post it for free?

“Maybe” quickly turned into “definitely happening”. Instead of making it outside of COG, however, the finished product that’s already published will be updated with the rewritten files. This means that if you’ve already purchased TSS through COG, you’ll have the rewritten version available. That’s how I originally intended to go about things with the old rewrite and is the better option here to avoid potential complications.

I’ve been in contact with COG and they’ve let me know that I’d be able to do what I have in mind even if this results in a different wordcount and very different scenes/plot points and a different kind of main story.

I realize that this announcement is probably pretty jarring since my last post stated that I wasn’t sure about doing a rewrite but that I wanted to if I had enough time. After making that post, I started creating an outline for the rewrite mostly for fun…and one thing kind of led to another. I want you all to know that I wouldn’t be making this post at all if I wasn’t sure about this. It’s because I’ve already begun the process and feel incredibly motivated and inspired that I can do this that I’m making this announcement.

This rewrite is not going to be like my old attempt at a rewrite, though. It’s an entirely new one that I feel much more confident about.

So far I’ve written the outline for the rewrite and started reworking already existing scenes from chapter 1 as well some new ones. I’m happy to say that the difference between how the rewrite process felt years ago compared to now is like light and day. It seems like those years I’ve taken away from TSS were very healthy and helpful in giving me some distance and letting me figure out what kind of story I really want to tell.

My plan is to rewrite book 1 and then make 1 full continuation after that. Instead of a trilogy, it looks like this version of TSS will be 2 volumes, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that it’ll be shorter than originally intended. I think it’s more doable for me to rewrite the first book (starting from scratch while also using some already written scenes, since I’ve been assured I’m allowed to do so) and then make 1 complete continuation of it rather than trying to fill stuff out over 3 different entries, and I think it’ll serve the plot and story as a whole to do it that way.

That being said, I fully understand that some - or most of you - might have trouble trusting my word after me failing to do the rewrite I wanted to years ago and not delivering a second book. That’s completely fair. This time I’m not rushing things and I don’t feel any pressure to do this. It’s not something I do out of dislike for the original, but rather out of love for what it could be and what I could make it into, if that makes sense. I’m taking as much time as I need to and am not putting any pressure on myself to do this.

My other project takes priority right now so I can’t dedicate all of my time to the rewrite, but I’m working on it when I have time over or get stuck. It’s actually pretty nice to alternate between two different stories that have different settings and has helped a bit in avoiding writer’s block.

Here are some differences between TSS and the TSS rewrite (most of the changes I made to the old rewrite no longer apply):

  • The rewrite will be told in second-person point of view (“you” instead of “I”). The reason for this is that when I first started TSS I was really unused to the second-person POV, but after having spent years in the IF space it’s now the other way around. It’ll make writing much easier for for me, and I hope it won’t feel too jarring for people who are used to the first person POV.
  • The Shadowman and Jealene (now “J”) will both be genderselectable just like the main cast. The Shadowman will be genderselectable later on, though - it might sound strange but I think it makes sense when you have more context. J plays a bigger role than they did in the original and their personality is a bit different in this version.
  • Some side characters (such as most of the hideout) will be cut. This is because they felt really underdeveloped to me in the full game and didn’t serve much of a purpose. Instead I’m focusing more on the main cast + a few key characters to ensure the story plot stays focused and you get more time to develop bonds of various kinds with the main cast instead.
  • The relationship system will look a bit different. Instead of bars showing a percentage of approval, I’ll write a description of each character and what they think of you. The descriptions will shift when the character starts viewing you differently, whether that’s due to rivalry, romance or friendship. My hope is that this will allow for a more nuanced relationship system/descriptions. I’ll also adjust the options a bit to try and make choices more nuanced and am thinking of including the option of having ex. a heart next to a romantic choice for those who want to know for sure what they’re getting into. The different responses (such as shy, flirty etc.) will stay but some of it will probably be reworked. Essentially what I want to do is allow for a wider range of MCs and how the characters respond to the MC.
  • The MC is going to have more agency in certain ways. I’ve included something plot-relevant to the main character that can potentially change the dynamic between them and the group a bit, but it all depends on how you play it.
  • The tone might be somewhat different. Not entirely, of course, but there are some parts of the old TSS where the characters sound a bit younger than they are supposed to be, where tension and seriousness has been sacrificed in favor of humor and where some of the interactions aren’t the way I would prefer for them to be. I’ve gotten older since writing TSS (gasp) and my tastes have changed, as has my writing to some degree. In order to do a rewrite I’d have to write in a way that’s most enjoyable for me and that I feel best fits the story I want to tell. That’s not to say that there isn’t going to be silliness etc., but I’m adjusting the tone somewhat and putting more time and effort into descriptions and the writing overall.
  • The narrative will be different, even though the overall story itself will mostly stay the same. I’m keeping a lot of elements and also aim to introduce new ones that I believe will strengthen the story and make it a more enjoyable game overall.

I think those are the main differences I can give away right now without spoiling anything. I’ll make sure to post updates when I’ve got more to share! Once the demo for the rewrite is finished, I’ll post it on the forums and link it in an intro post on here.

Thank you all for sticking by me throughout the years. I hope you’ll find some comfort in returning to this world, as well as new things to ponder and excite you in this new upcoming version of the story :heart:

At some point I’ll change the title of this post etc. but I figure I’ll do that when I’ve gotten further with the demo.

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Good luck!

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This is a funny way to spell “fucking great”, but you do you. :man_shrugging:

Joke’s on you, I don’t trust anyone as a baseline, you’re not SPECIAL. :winking_face_with_tongue:

:partying_face:

Time comes for us all. :pensive_face: Well, for YOU all. I still laugh at fart jokes, which I’m pretty sure means I’m still like, thirteen or something. :peach: :dashing_away:

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I loved your world, your story, and your ROs! But like you, I’ve gotten older. I was either a middle schooler or a freshman when I first read your story and now I’m in college. So if you want to take your original idea and twist it into a more mature and thought out version, I’m all for it!

I only ask that the scene with the ROs eyes glowing in shadows appear in some way. Because that was a cool scene!

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This is definitely the happiest news I have heard in a while.:star_struck: The Shadow Society was one of the first IFs I read and I loved it then. I’m excited to see a rewrite coming! Can’t wait to see how it turns out.

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Well, this definitely made my day! I’m so excited for the re-write! I’m gonna wait on re-reading TSS for the 17th time so I may re-read it once it’s rewritten!

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Yes, that scene is definitely going to stay! Something I want to do in general for the rewrite is to elevate the mystery elements and atmosphere in a way that hopefully feels intriguing rather than keeping the reader/MC in the dark just for the sake of it, which I feel like I did originally :blush:

EDIT: And thank you all for the kind words, I’ll certainly do my best :heart:

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Man this is bringing me back. I remember being fresh outta high school and messing around on the forums when this was a wip. So glad to see this coming back around. Wish you nothing but the best and a little extra so you don’t get burned out :grin:

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I remember being around when this was just a WIP on the forums. I’m supper excited to see the rewrite but please pace yourself. We care about your health more than the content. I hope all os well and GOOD LUCK!

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So hyped for this! Good luck to you! I re-read The Shadow Society so many times, I love the worldbuilding and the characters!

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This has made my day! I’m so excited to revisit the story. I loved the original, but can’t wait to see what new and exciting improvements come about from the rewrite. :tada:

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So happy to have open this thread today, I’m truly glad that TSS will have a sort of reboot, I really liked the story and the characters. Good luck with the writing and don’t worry to take your time!

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Good luck, Carawen. :purple_heart:

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I saw the rewrite pop up on the public games feed just now and was so happy! This IF was one of the first to get me into the interactive fiction scene and I am forever grateful for it, keep up the good work :).

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Thanks a lot Apollo! :heart: I’ll do my best!

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Aaaaaagh I can’t believe this is getting a rewrite, I really love this story. T_T Will there be a sequel if the rewrite goes well or nah?

Also got an error:

chapter1 line 1817: It is illegal to fall out of a *choice statement; you must *goto or *finish before the end of the indented block.

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Wonderful news!

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@Creampuff Aww, thank you so much :heart: my plan is to make a sequel regardless of whether the rewrite/remake does well, but that also depends on how much time I’ll have to write. I’m lucky right now because I’m temporarily in a position where I can afford to write a lot, but unless I can make an income from it in the long run, I won’t really be able to continue at this pace after the summer. But that’s just the reality for most writers and artists.
I’m still determined to try and finish this story no matter what. Unlike last time, I’m NOT rushing it and am taking my time with it and want the 1st book to feel like a more or less complete work (aka no cliffhangers haha) so it might take some time.
But yeah, I’m super motivated and want to complete this story, both by remaking the first entry and writing a sequel. I’m going to do everything I can to make it happen!

And thank you so much for letting me know about that bug, should be fixed now!

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It’s good to see someone back here. Keep up the good work. I have been saying in my close circles that this year feels like 2018 back again, and it seems that way right now! I wish you a lot of energy!!

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