Same sex romances

Oh yeah. I read the article, but that community does exists and it’s frankly quite demeaning. This doesn’t really pertain to the convo at hand really,

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This is a separate issue because it involves cultural components - it is my contention that some anime relationship tropes do not translate between cultures quite the same way as romances in Choicescript do.

The perfect example of this is the Jun/Junko character in Multiplechoice’s Samurai series. Many people accept the trope but many also believe it crosses multiple red lines that are unacceptable.

There can be a majority consensus in CS relationships and romances in what is “acceptable” and what isn’t except for the highly dependent cultural based ones such as found in Anime.

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I can agree with this. It never entered my mind that there would be such a community (I guess I haven’t experienced as much as others)

I still think the following is true for most of us:

Well written CS romance (such as in SoS) can help people explore romance and sexuality.

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I agree with that girl in the article. Hetero men porn is direct and with no absolute anything else that a BBC animal intercourse. See two lions have exactly same content of heterosexual porn. Is just pumps and screws. Homosexual use playful dynamics more emotional stuff and imagination and toys.

Sadly for me two guys are no really exciting. I would hope someday Heterosexual women will do porn that is not ashamed with 50shades stuff. I just want for once a film were a couple have a good evening and later have a playful and consensual end of night with pre moments emotions and feelings and imaginative scenes not only focused in the plumbing part… I will be death before that happens though…

This is valid! (Also all of you should play SoS. It’s such a good game!)

I still think the following is true for most of us:
“If it’s helping people explore romance and sexuality — and possibly breaking down over-representation of heterosexuality in the media — then it’s probably a good thing,”
Well written CS romance (such as in SoS) can help people explore romance and sexually.

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It is sos good? I don’t know if play it .

It is p good and the romance is nicely written. Also there is an option to engage in the sexual encounter the way you want (i.e if you wanna dom or you wanna sub) WHICH IS ULTIMATELY WHAT PEOPLE WANT with romances

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Except for a few gimmick screens (fade to or from black) it is very good. The author provides options on how graphical your relationship scenes are and she writes very well.

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Totally agree that’s what i want that and give gifts and surprises. There is not enough gifts and surprises in cog.

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Thanks for the suggestions. I am going to play Sos later.

And I am going to code in a few gifts and surprises, I already know the perfect spot for a little romantic touch. Most romantic moments shouldn’t be orientated around lovemaking anyways.

My favourite is the romantic patch up your lovers gunshot wound moments. Especially the way it’s done in Asian cinema

Here’s my somewhat related question: if an NPC is canonically gay, should an MC of the opposite gender be able to flirt with them and then be rejected, or should only an MC of the same gender have additional options to flirt with them, while an opposite gender MC never “sees” those flirtatious options and can only pursue a platonic relationship?

One is more realistic but is more coding and perhaps unhappier (I imagine people will be disappointed to be rejected after being given the option to flirt), while the other is maybe less realistic and a bit more restrictive?? I’m not sure…

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Some of my real life friends in college started with flirting from ladies. Okay, When your best friend is gay you go to lgbt parties so Is absolutely normal, everyone takes it super cool and it is a great ice breaking for have fun and chat. At least for me is, I am not shy and I am bold so for me is not a problem. However, there are people who go away embarrassed. So maybe give options to pc being okay and fun about it or just go away embarrassed. Fake flirting is super fun if both parts are friends

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Obviously, I’m only speaking for myself, but I do think it is good if someone could ‘flirt’ but be rejected. One thing I did like in the Hero series is that even if you are attracted to Jenny, it isn’t reciprocated.

However, I can understand if you decide to hide the options. The reason for this is that some people may then complain about being ‘led on’ Once again, the Jenny situation comes to mind. This isn’t fair, but I can understand avoiding some reactions.

As for the coding, that is also something to take into consideration. Just speaking generally, romance stuff can bloat a project as you’ve already figured out. In this regard, I understand when writers try to streamline things.

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I would also echo the sentiment “let people of whatever gender combination choose the relationship dynamics themselves.” Don’t force a role. Unless the RO in question really would be only up for one particular dynamic with anyone :thinking:

I’d like to know what these recommendations are :sweat_smile:

For the sake of writing an interactive fiction thing, this is probably best. I can think of a few things where being gay has made some rather subtle differences for me in ways that are not related to homophobia. These would generally also apply in cases where one partner is bi/pan, too. So I’d offer some of these…

  • Love triangles can get more complicated. For example, there one time when the guy I had a crush on told me that my previous crush was cute… I felt so confused :dizzy_face:

  • My boyfriend and I are attracted to the same gender. (Hi, boyfriend! :smile:) So he and I can talk about cute guys, and be into the same characters and generally banter and bond over this stuff in ways that wouldn’t happen when both partners are hetero.

  • Jealousy and attraction can get mixed up in weird ways. I suppose this could happen with heterosexuals, but I think I’m more likely to get into a situation where I’m simultaneously attracted to a guy but also feel jealousy… sort of “do I want to be with him or do I want to be him? :flushed:

  • Being attracted to my own gender can provide a different metric for judging oneself. This can be both useful and disappointing, depending :sweat_smile: But it does mean that rather than being like “what do boys like in a girl?” or “what do girls like in a boy?” I can ask “what do boys like in a boy?” and at least be able to answer myself with personal experience :stuck_out_tongue: albeit not universal.

I mean, these probably wouldn’t be relevant to most stories; you very much can write a gay romance the same way you’d write a hetero one. I just think it’s a bit of my point of view that’s worth sharing :smile:

I don’t know, I’ve definitely known some women to get :heart_eyes: over some men in a pretty physical manner. And some who really don’t at all. But I do wonder how much of this is training

(For myself, I’ve had both crushes that were mostly appearance-based and ones that were mostly personality-based, plus most of them being kind of in between. The former could feel pretty shallow and annoying, but hormones won’t really care about that :sweat:)

My ideal would be, it depends whether the MC would have any way to know the NPC’s orientation. If they’ve known the character for a while or it seems likely to have come up at any point, then no, really shouldn’t be there. Otherwise, I’d think it’d make sense.

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I think it should be there. Just to tell that person your feelings. Like Look I know you are gay but I have feelings for you. And To check if the person is bisexual. I know that person had dating guys but maybe he is bisexual because I feel somewhat some feeling.

I know that is not for each game. But I am gave example of situation were it have sense asking.

Yeah, my boyfriend and I are both attracted to all genders (he’s bi, I’m grey-asexual panromantic), and I’ve known lots of couples where everyone’s bi or pan, and this is definitely a thing. It’s so strange talking with straight friends, who don’t have that understanding in their relationships.

This get even more fun when you add gender identity into the mix. It took me sooo long to realise I wasn’t so much attracted to a certain kind of male characters, as I was identifying with them, and wanted to be them!

:hedgehog::rabbit2::chipmunk::hedgehog:

In regards to physical vs. emotional attraction, I know there’s some general differences between the genders, but they are not universal, even if we take genderqueer and trans people out of the equation, so I think the answer is (like with so many other things) not to make assumptions based on gender, and give the reader the power to decide for their own character.
That’s just the best way to avoid making some readers feel alienated.

I’m a bit ridiculous about this, as I always want to know the available romance options beforehand, but I would simultaniously want the ability to flirt with people as unrestricted as possible.
I want to flirt with whoever I want, but I want to know beforehand how well it would be taken. It’s one of those things I have problems with in games and pen and paper, because in real life I would base my actions on lots of little details that I am just not given in a game. :expressionless: :confused:

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Wow. That was very helpful. Ad just at the right time as I am in a love scene writing and coding marathon at the mo.

Thank you for taking the time to write all that.

I want to code some love triangles now

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The jealousy/romance mix isn’t something I think to talk about much, but it’s real. Yeah, when dating personal trainers or Broadway dancers, I’ve felt plenty of insecurity in context of an objective comparison. Plenty of times, I’ve been out clubbing and get hot on, but my date doesn’t. That’s gotta be a different combination of feelings than straight guys when someone hits on their girlfriend. (Not sure this helps in a fic without.)

Flirting with opositely-oriented NPCs should be available. Just don’t hit the relationship flags. I and many others flirt with girls regularly (not at work, though).

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To some heterosexual men. Plenty of us are turned off by degradation or signals that one partner’s not enjoying it. Plenty of us are bored by the standard “script” and enjoy more variety. The mass market doesn’t serve everyone well.

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Huh, you know, I think I’ve had the exact opposite experience :sweat_smile: Thinking that I was just admiring or wanting to be like certain guys (both fictional and real), when it really was a different sort of attraction altogether.

Cuties! :hugs:

What sorts of things? Are there things that you think games should mention more than they usually do?

Aw, thanks, my pleasure, really :smile: It’s the kinds of thing that’s not really based on society or stereotypes or anything, just the direct consequences of attraction dynamics!

You can inflict this stuff on heterosexual main characters, too, if the love interests are bi or pan :grin:

Oh, yeah… my initial reaction would be more like “why won’t they hit on me?” which… yeah, I don’t think a straight guy would be feeling that :stuck_out_tongue:

Then there was the time I was teasing my boyfriend about a cute guy who smiled at me, and he was like “jealousy! :flushed:” and I asked if he was jealous I was talking about another guy, or jealous over the attention :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

PS. @obieblu, any chance I could trouble you for those movie recommendations you mentioned at the beginning of the thread? :innocent:

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