I'm Sorry, But I Think We Should See Other People - ROs You Hate

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I decided to check out the demos for both book 1 and book 2. Book 1 stopped before I could really get into it, and knowing that Leon sets MC on fire after the MC helps his ass, by the time the demo ended, I was just mad, lol. But decided to try out the b2 demo…

And totally love Falco. I actually love Yu and Eli, too, but my “test a game” MC flocked to Falco before I knew what happened. I actually love the fact that Leon didn’t make an appearance in the demo, and it’d suit me fine if the MC never saw him again, but I’m sure he’ll be back.

The story is actually pretty cool, if a seeming “let’s see how any ways we can crap all over the MC” due to the apparent happenings of bk 1. I don’t do depressing, and I don’t like playing kick the MC without some payback. That said, I may end up playing this game just for the Arcadia people, because I like them (especially Falco, did I mention Falco? :stuck_out_tongue: ). Or an opportunity to gut Leon while burning him to a crisp. Fuck nobility, give me vengeance.

It’s a pretty popular game, so I’m going to spoiler this for the hell of it… Golden Rose. I think one of the problems is that, when a friend told me about it, they pitched it as a romance-fantasy game, which is totally my jam of late. Only thing is, I can’t stand Hadrian.

I’ve lost patience for romances in these games where the RO is overwrought, blushy, too submissive, etc. And that fits him. I was stupid–I think I played the demo a long, long while back and only played the first chapter or two. I liked the fantasy part and figured the RO would grow on me. Instead, after buying the game, I found him more and more annoying.

I made it up to somewhere during the harbor investigation and grew incredibly bored. There was some interesting male character but it was a fling thing, not a romance. Plus, the story was dragging along. A lot of words, but not much progress. So, I gave up.

Yeah, exactly.

OMG, preach it! Canderous was, by far, my first choice for a romance option in KOTOR. I have a total head canon (and half written fics, lol) where Revan and Canderous were actually married and Revan lost her memory and he was there to try to help her get them back… Gray Jedi, blah blah blah. Canderous was the bomb (and I totally made him run around in his underwear in KOTOR1 and KOTOR2 because… well, look at him). Carth was vaguely okay (better than Kaidan, at any rate, but my shoe would be better than Kaidan), but he wasn’t anywhere near the perfect specimen Canderous was. So badass. :drooling_face:

The best romances in BioWare for me have always been the ones they never explored (Canderous) or the ones they shit on (Thane). I think Alistair is about the best they actually followed through on, if you toughened him up. And, surprisingly, Cullen (I hated him in DA:Origins, tolerated him a bit in DA2, and, surprisingly, fell flat on my face for him in Inquisition).

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Preach what? You got lost? This is the ‘I hate HIM’ Thread! :sweat_smile:

Really? Thane? Not Garrus? Sheesh…lol coughbad taste you haveCough :joy:

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I totally read that wrong, then. How can you hate Canderous??? OMG!

dies of horror

Says the one who loves the “seven books of pining” Wayhaven romance! :stuck_out_tongue:

I do love Garrus, but Thane… mmm… that voice… Plus, I’m a sucker for the quiet badass assassin type that says whatever the hell he wants (his response to Shepard flirting was awesome).

Besides, I never could figure out how sex or making out with Garrus could end in a way that didn’t leave my Shepard’s face and, um, center, shredded. My Shepard liked the idea. Me, on the other hand: “You so won’t survive that, you idiot…”

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(an aside on this, one of my friends and I spent about 6 hours one night investigating how bird, dinosaur, frog, snake, octopus (my friend has a thing for Liara) and amphibian reproductive systems work. I think I am scarred for life now…)

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couldn’t stand those ‘Flashback’ thing Thane had + Bug eyes…ew.

Beside, I’m team Samara anyway. But Garrus is so awesome. Can’t say the same about the rest…

How can I hate Canderous? Hello, Mando assholes, attacking Cathar! Mando assholes macho bullshit honor crap…

All he does in Kotor 1 is bitch and whine, here come Kotor 2 and he just bitch and whine some more behind a helmet.

I hate Mandos in general and I mean ALL of them. Beside, if I remember Canderous isn’t aligned Good anyway. So by default I wouldn’t like him. I never played DS in either Kotor games.

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Not me, I need vengeance. Blood must beget blood!

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If he comes back, then it’s only fair if the MC can fry the son of a bitch. Preferably after ripping off his man parts and stuffing them down his damned throat.

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I just finished Relics 2 and God… you have be a saint to ‘romance’ Maria.

When the romance lock decision came I just wanted to throw my hands up in disgust and dump her sorry ass back on the side of the road.

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Yessss. I’m aiming for an (haha) F Yu playthrough, because Yu is hilarious and F is pretty amazing. They start with a VERY GOOD reason to pissed off at the MC (and the author said there’s another reason for them to dislike you that hasn’t come up yet) but, while they never stop being… lessay cantankerous, they become much more agreeable if you show you’re not there to fuck the Arcadians over (like, for example, helping Spirit Gate the team on the rescue mission). And they have a fat tooth. And then there’s the fireworks scene…

Yeah, the Arcadians are great.

Sucks to be you, I get ALESSA! :heart:

Oh hey, it’s not just me, finally. Only I didn’t make the very obvious and egregious mistake of trying to romance her in the first place.

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Maria’s the best RO in those games, imo. Esme and Abdul are the ones I can’t stand, there.

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i don’t really like esme either, and i might be misremembering, but didn’t maria associate with the nazis at one point? that’s kind of a turn off lol

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Counterpoint: Maria’s nazi-collaborating trash. The best RO in Relics is the Amazonian, and it isn’t even close.

If by “at one point” you mean "90% of the first game and only stopped because the nazi team she was with was getting decimated by the British and she wanted to not get decimated alongside them", then yes.

And even after she drops the nazis, she continues to be an absolutely terrible person (see: the entirety of the second game).

Counterpoint: she really is. Like, even after she ditches the nazis (not, again, due to any moral objections) during the second game she sabotages you and at the end she tries to ROB YOU AT GUNPOINT! Also, she sucks at her supposed job of archaeology.

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I don’t know, Maria isn’t that bad.

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She’s much like Gainza, a parasite who follows the trail of those smarter than her and thinks that stabbing them in the back makes her better.

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I’m not big on Julian Sim from Night Road, I get the impression he was meant to be an affable asshole, but he’s more faux affable to me :rofl:

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She wasn’t a Nazi, never approved of their ideology. She worked for them in the first game because she thought she was taking their money in the search of a myth.
After learning the second reason behind what she did(about her father), I even felt sorry for her. She has some issues, that’s for sure but after playing Relics 2, she became one of my all time favorite ROs.

She did, though. Even in Relics 1 she made it clear she doesn’t like them or their ideology. She just thinks “Fascists want to waste their money chasing something that doesn’t exist? Why not let them?” When she learns that they were actually right about the supernatural stuff in the end, she’s genuinely disturbed.

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If anything, Maria actually despises fascists; she only helped the Nazis, as I said before, because she thought they were just wasting their money on magical powers that didn’t exist. She saved your ass at the very end of the first game and helps you deal with the Nazis on the island, And even she admits later on it wasn’t completely out of self interest. As for her being a bad archaeologist, that’s debatable, getting a doctorate is no easy accomplishment and although she does use other people to understand the answers, that doesn’t mean she isn’t good in her own right when the opportunity comes up

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She certainly didn’t DISAPPROVE of it. There’s no actual difference between Nazis and willing Nazi collaborators.

She despises them so much she works for them for an extra buck she doesn’t need in her bank account. You know who actually despises fascists? The Amazonian, whose suggestion for a hot date is to kill one.

In exchange for you vouching for her with the British troops, who were killing their way through the Nazis and weren’t going to stop when they got to her.

It’s really not.

She actually goes after people who make the discoveries and then literally kills them and takes their stuff. Maria is a parasite.

We actually see the opportunity come up in the Congo, where she’s digging in the entirely wrong place.

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that really doesn’t matter for me. approving their ideology or not, she still worked for them. as someone who has relatives who died in the holocaust, there’s no way i’ll not hate a character who associated with nazis in any way. like, the people she worked for want my people dead. they want me dead. that’s not really something i can forgive. :woman_shrugging: and i don’t think anyone should either, but hey, who am i as a romani woman to tell others what they should think about people who work for nazis?

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She said it herself, had she know that the artifacts they were looking for we’re legit, she never would’ve worked for them in the first place, which says a lot. To her, before that point, she thought she was just scamming a bunch of stupid fascists, not helping them take over the world.

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In the second game she also says she’s buying you and your partner dinner to say thanks, and then she promptly sabotages your vehicle, so maybe we shouldn’t take the words of a Nazi collaborator and proven liar at face value, even if we think there’s a meaningful difference between “helping the nazis” and “helping the nazis because I think they’re wrong” (and I don’t).

That’s not how this works. If you disapprove of people and their ideology, then you don’t work for them for money you don’t need in the first place.

And this is leaving aside the fact that even if the artifacts didn’t work, they have a very real effect on morale, and morale can make or break a war effort. You think handing the Nazis a sacred jewish artifact they can parade around is a zero-effect deed?

Like, Maria is so bad that she’s a fit redhead and I still loathe her. Do you have any idea how absolute scum a fit redhead has to be for me to loathe them?

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