Will never look at a chocolate chip cookie again the same way
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I can tolerate rat shit, but raisins are blasphemy against cookie faith!
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Damn this sucks, hopefully the author can post their work on itch.io since AI is allowed there, steam used to ban them but now allows it if you disclose it, this is also why you use open source softwares like twine when your stance is against the company, but hopefully itās not too hard to port over there.
Also the copyright thing is way overblown, the author holds no right if it is entirely AI generated, but the end product is still his if thereās elements of human work, how much is enough? No idea but good luck suing him.
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itās okay to use ai for educational purposes, like for learning new words or writing techniques, but to let it generate content for youā¦yeah, itās not really accomplishing, so far development on my first COG game has been rough, but thereās no way that Iām using ai to write the thing that Iām passionate about, itās best to give yourself and everyone else a natural crafted piece of entertainment instead of using ācheatsā
hopefully this situation has been resolved by now
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So glad that you take such a strong stance on protecting artists, it makes me feel so confident purchasing your games.
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They absolutely would have grounds to sue, and it has nothing to do with the status of AI under copyright. He knew the policy and signed a contract under false pretenses.
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I want to echo the other sentiments in the thread: thank you, staff, for taking such a strong stance against AI! It warms the heart.
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Thank you! I bought it right when it came out (like I do most CoGās) and noticed the AI writing right away. I appreciate the integrity!
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How did you recognize it as AI writing?
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Where are the seventeen cucumbers, the martini and the motor oil? And when do I use my slow cooker?
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With all respect, this thread is not here to make cookies jokes. Respect the seriousness of the topic and that is used as info for consumers. That buy a product. It is not a place for memes
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Nice job kicking their bot, team.
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I use NovelAI like a text adventure game so I recognized the style and offbeat story structure. The way it wound through the story and how it treated its characters set off a lot of red flags. I actually first noticed it when the gameās demo came out during its WiP phase, but assumed yāall would notice it before publication.
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Having some kind of guide to recognising some of this stuff might be a useful reference, not just for this community, but overall. It couldnāt be a hard-and-fast sort of thing, since thereāll probably be false positives, but it might be useful as a frame of reference.
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There is absolutely room for discussion of such. One of the major places that entirely bot/AI written books are showing up is in the digital cookbook/online recipe generation sections/software. These AI also commonly appropriate the intellectual property of others and use cloned or only slightly altered imagery from the works they generate the recipe books from. It is the same issue many authors and artists face with AI, and while we are making light of it, it is a very serious issue.
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I was talking about the copyright issue, not the false pretense one, legally heās in the clear regarding copyright, thatās all Iām claiming
Of course itās illegal to falsely claim the process of your creation, but I fail to see how thatās an AI issue
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Perhaps this is the wrong place to ask, but if we strongly suspect a WIP is using AI writing, is that something we should do anything about?
As far as I understand, you canāt publishing anything with AI-generated content but posting a WIP with AI-generated content doesnāt seem to be against forum rules. So not something to bring to the attention of the mods or staff.
Posting on the WIP thread seems like a surefire way to start drama. Would it be best to bring up any concerns to the author in a PM?
Thatās how I feel as well and why I donāt mention it.
Iāve never used AI writing tools for fiction, so Iām not familiar with the AI-specific peculiarities. For me, itās more when the authorās forum posts and writing on the interactive parts are drastically less proficient in English than the long stretches of page text.
Like, the body text will be completely error-free, college-level, and throw out $10 thesaurus words like candy. But as soon as you get to the option/branching text itās suddenly full of typos and the author is clearly struggling with basic English grammar concepts like pluralization and subject-verb agreement. Unless thereās an uncredited cowriter, that doesnāt pass the smell test.
In codex-heavy games, I sometimes notice codex entries will just so happen to be incredibly similar to the output you get if you ask ChatGPT to paraphrase the Wikipedia article on the same topic. All the words are swapped out for (often questionable) synonyms, but itās the same ideas in the same order. Sure seems awfully coincidental.
That seems like a good approach.
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This thread isnāt the place to discuss AI in cookbooks.
There is an entire thread devoted to AI discussion.
Everyone, please keep the discussion in this thread on Halls of Sorcery and using AI in publishing a game under the Hosted label
Any other off-topic posts will be moved going forward.
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Under current forum rules, using AI in WiP threads is not ā¦ disallowed.
Your understanding is correct, but if you do suspect AI use in a WiP that has just been submitted for publication or sumsuch, I would encourage you to send a quick email to Hosted Games support as a headās up.
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Itās pretty difficult to explain most of it, since itās mostly a vibe, what I would have called stylistic choices, if it was done by a human.
Like how you might be able to recognise a certain authorās writing style.
The more specific things that can be pointed out, are things that I would hope the readers would point out anyway, as itās pretty glaring inconsistencies.
And frankly, I would expect any competent person (who is wiling to put in any effort) to be able to fix such things before posting, rather easily.
Itās the prose kinda rambling on pointlessly, with no clear goal. Getting stuck in descriptions for too long.
Itās mixing up characters, forgetting details about them, making up new details about them that doesnāt fit prior information, and their names not being consistent.
Itās the story seeming to forget the plot, and what it was doing, and giving information that doesnāt fit with information given a few pages earlier.
That sort of things.
I donāt know, itās hard to explain. Thereās been times where I have read a WIP and seriously wondered if itās AI generated (thereās especially one, at the moment). But I donāt want to accuse people and end up participating in a witch hunt.
Sometimes, I think the best way to go about it is to just point out the problems with the writing. Then hopefully, when the author realises how much work is needed to clean up the generated text, they might move towards doing more of their own writing from the start.
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