Game rules Question


#8

Ah, ok, that makes much more sense. But what whistle-coded words would there be? Like say the word “faggot”. Modern day its a sexual slur, or in England another word for cigarette, but traditionally it means a bundle of wood. Where as using the word savage, like all those Indians are savages is probably acceptable if historically accurate. So where do you think the differences are?


#9

Context is the measuring stick there.

If, in your story, the MC (main character) is outside on a smoke break in the alley, and he says: “Pass me a fag” … most, even in today’s society would understand that. Using terms in a historical manner can cross-translate and this should be the line.

The N-word is both a historical and modern word. However, the racial undertones of the word has cross-translated itself over time and different regions of the world. Using the N-word to describe an African native captured by a Portuguese slaver in the 16th century has the same racial undertones (or worse) in 1960’s Jim Crow South and in 2016 inner city gang territory of L.A.

Edit: I use a lot of historical based and archaic based words in my writing; my current WiP takes place in the Classical world where the racism was much different. The concept of us vs them was the basis of discrimination. If you were a Roman, you were accepted as a Roman, regardless of which racial tribe your ancestors came from. If you were a Berber, then you were not a Roman and suffered because of it, again no matter the racial tribe you originated in.

I use modern words to convey this in a way that my modern audience can relate to. If I tried using the terms and phrases that the classic writers used, not only would my writing seem farcical to my audience, they would not really understand what I am trying to get across to them.


#10

As long as you comport yourself with respect and the attitudes you’ve presented so far in the forums you should be fine. No one will read it as race-hating or bigotry unless you just have a character who greets the player with that word every day for no reason at all, and the character never acknowledges anything wrong or does anything to rectify the situation. If you go too far, of course there will be people who are upset.

CoG might ask you to tone it down if you go the route of, say, Django Unchained, which I really enjoyed, but not everyone is so comfortable watching. Even I don’t watch the movie “regularly,” in fact I’ve only seen it twice, because I think constant exposure to those kind of slurs might be a little too much for my brain to process out. Will history ultimately vindicate that movie? I honestly doubt it, sorry Tarantino! Sometimes being vulgar for vulgarity’s sake only serves to attract an audience, but not teach any valuable lessons. It was entertaining and to some extent accurate, but you’ll have to think long and hard and maybe write an essay about it to really do any good.


#11

The word for cigarette is fag, not faggot. (And yes, to much hilarity “can I bum a fag” does mean “can you give me a cigarette”.)

It’s was also a term for a practice used in boarding schools. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fagging

Faggot can be a food item. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faggot_(food)

is a genuine product sold in supermarkets.

And a faggot is a bundle of sticks.

But really, I’d prefer not to see the word used at all as a slur.


#12

Lol, I went to the Mr. Brain website just to see and its true. “Did you know? That faggots are known as “ducks” in the Midlands?”

Edit: The specific site: http://mrbrains.co.uk/products/


#13

So, personally, since “ducks” is an acceptable alternative with less secondary meaning attached, I’d actually use “ducks” for the food as a descriptor - this is an example of adaptation I was talking about above.


#14

In this case, that wouldn’t work, because that’s a very localised term. I’d just say to use meatball instead, it’s not exactly the same, but near enough.


#15

That’s not a bad idea to an extent, but if i was writing about say, historic colonial Africa as a British soldier, there aren’t to many viable safe alternative terms I could use. Say for the n-word, alternatives might be (that they would use) boy, black, negro, and savage. There might be others, but I’m pressed to find a realistic alternative in this example. I’m personally a fan of historic fiction, and alternate history, maybe some steampunk thrown in, and fantasy. I’m considering making a game that’s like in the late 1700’s to mid 1800’s era of history, possibly with steampunk/ alternate history elements. However, the terms would still be there because of the historic realism. The author “George Alfred Henty” has several historical fiction books, and they were written in the late 1800’s/ early 1900’s and even the more “modern” (using the term loosely, 1900’s) beliefs, there is kind of a casual racism/ superiority. Who the character is will greatly affect game play. Like if it was based in India, a half caste would have trouble adjusting to British superiority/ racism.


#16

I stand corrected. sorry.


#17

There are historical fiction entries in both CoG and Hosted libraries you can look at for guidance - both what works and what does not.

In example: Tin Star is one of the most popular published works and one that is critically acclaimed by the community as well. The Chinese workers on the railroads are handled in such a manor that their historical position in society was conveyed but without the word “Coolie” being thrown around as if it were candy.

If you are planning the type of story-game you outlined here, I have a feeling the Hosted label would be easier to get published under than the CoG label.


#18

Choice of Games has considered an adult games label but no word on when (if ever) that will start.

Otherwise, the biggest factor in publishing is Apple. They reject games with “objectionable” content. So Hosted Games’s guidelines are in part to ensure Apple accepts the game. Here are some details of Apple’s content guidelines:
https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/


#19

Ah, the famous “Know it when I see it” rule. Sorta figured that was what Apple went by.


#20

I wonder if there’s an Apple reviewer employee that has to play every single game, or do they just trust CoG at a certain point? Maybe they have access to the code and command F all the bad words and check for context? Who knows?!


#21

Imagine being paid 11.50 an hour to sit at desk and just command F a list of swear words and sex terms, all day, everyday.


#22

Where and when was this???


#23

On this forum and 2014, I think? There is a link in the “dead” works thread for future references.


#24

I think it was called the Burden? It was pretty funny. And it was from last year? (yup april 2015, of course only when @Zolataya didn’t mean a different WIP)


#25

Have a read over this thread:


#26

Late to the thread, but as people point out it’s a matter of tone. If your game is set in the confederacy the racism needs to be acknowledged, but you can do that without wallowing in gratuitous depiction. There’s a fine line between acknowledging the behavior and seeming to condone it which is accomplished with voice.

For example, there is a scene of violence in AMISTAD which terrorizes me to this day, but it is shown in the movie as a flashback late in the running time during a court case to depict why slaves on trial were justified in retaliation against their captors. If the scene had been earlier in the film without that context and the slight buffering of “this already happened and is not going on as I watch”, I probably would have walked out.


#27

This is from the apple app review site, and probably the most pertinent information.

  1. Safety
    When people install an app from the App Store, they want to feel confident that it’s safe to do so—that the app doesn’t contain upsetting or offensive content, won’t damage their device, and isn’t likely to cause physical harm from its use. We’ve outlined the major pitfalls below, but if you’re looking to shock and offend people, the App Store isn’t the right place for your app.

1.1 Objectionable Content
Apps should not include content that is offensive, insensitive, upsetting, intended to disgust, or in exceptionally poor taste. Examples of such content include:

1.1.1 Defamatory or mean-spirited content, including references or commentary about religion, race, sexual orientation, gender, or other targeted groups, particularly if the app is likely to place a targeted individual or group in harm’s way. Professional political satirists and humorists are generally exempt from this requirement.
1.1.2 Realistic portrayals of people or animals being killed, maimed, tortured, or abused, or content that encourages violence. “Enemies” within the context of a game cannot solely target a specific race, culture, real government, corporation, or any other real entity.
1.1.3 Depictions that encourage illegal or reckless use of weapons and dangerous objects, or facilitate the purchase of firearms.
1.1.4 Overtly sexual or pornographic material, defined by Webster’s Dictionary as "explicit descriptions or displays of sexual organs or activities intended to stimulate erotic rather than aesthetic or emotional feelings."
1.1.5 Inflammatory religious commentary or inaccurate or misleading quotations of religious texts.