You should put me in your game. I’m a fat, lazy bastard, stuffing my mouth with fruit in the corner of any area. When strife comes to the place I am killed immediately.
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I still hoping someone put a character called Mara to recruit. I am sure no-one in forum will Recruit a Mara lol 
You should be an adhuman leader @Laguz
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If I can’t be the XOR equivalent of a lootable corpse carrying 2 septims and a copy of the Lusty Argonian Maid, I don’t want to be
You know that guy in Morrowind who comes crashing down in front of you and dies? Or that guy in Oblivion who escapes as the only survivor of an ambush and then immediately gets crushed by a trap? That’s me
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at least you aren’t the adoring fan. lol I think I am the asshole lady you can kill in the abandoned house to enter dark brotherhood
Well…my mc already knows the first rule, never ever be a helot!
Technically I suppose you must be noble but I can maybe see that getting fudged with a bit on rare occasions if merchant or in very rare cases a yeoman is overflowing with raw aptitude. Which makes me wonder might “prince(ss)(x)” nippletwister be one of those cases with all the secrecy about their origins?
Yes, but then much like real world “leaders” the protagonist in this series can potentially cross any number of moral event horizons possibly right up to and including use of WMD. That being said the shenanigans with Simon are a good way to show choice and consequence on a micro level before we get to the really huge stuff.
As to this moral line specifically, I have a feeling that, depending on circumstances, Calea and prince(ss)(x) nippletwister can have the mc be on the receiving end of that line. And much like Kala/Kalt the helot mc may or may not already have been on that end of the equation themselves. Doesn’t quite excuse them doing it in turn…but then former abused becoming the abusers is quite common. But then there are some peeps who do like “Yandere” stuff in fiction…
Yeah, from the helot pov my main mc certainly isn’t seeing that as all the neighbouring nobles, while still brutal do all seem to be a tad less so than the Keriatou as the opening seems to make a point of noting the Keriatou are particularly harsh masters for the region. So it could very well be the alternative might be an improvement even if a mild one.
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Does it though? The opening includes:
- Breden being sassy to the Keriatou and them responding with amusement rather than violence
- The bad death of Olen Stonehewer at the hands of the Pelematou (the main alternative contenders for the aristarchate)
- The tale of Dann – but it’s possible to learn from Breden that old lord Pelematou was also a helot-consorter, and that’s why his wife is so awful to them
So I’m not sure a Rim helot would think that the K actually top the list. Of course there are other gentler, smaller houses like the de Rose or de Galis. But there’s plenty of brutality at the top.
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Also, Olynna mentions that the Keriatou really don’t like Ecclesiasts messing with their helots. So I get the feeling that, as nobles go, the Keriatou are no worse than usual.
But then, every house is guilty of providing helots to the Harrower.
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Hector and Calea are both sadists who take it out on helots, above and beyond the cruelty required by the state or strictly “necessary” to maintain their standing though.
IT’S TUESDAY HAVIE, TIME FOR CRIMES AGAINST GENDER
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I don’t want to say what i first understand from your post tea lol. I have a dirty mind.
That’s prinxce nipple twister!!! that’s how i portra them lol with a casual smirk talking about executing people
On the other hand, they’re well-known for protecting their helots from anyone else messing with them.
Being a helot is never pleasant. There’s only different shades of suffering.
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Sadist may be a bit strong of a term since it isn’t clear that either of them actually enjoy suffering for its own sake, although I might be wrong about Hector. Hector is a product of his upbringing and isn’t introspective or insightful enough to recognize the logical fallacies and inconsistencies he’s internalized. He been bullied, and bullies others in turn. It makes him feel important and powerful. He probably sees it as an entitlement at this point. Does he really enjoy making others suffer however? Or does he simply like demonstrating his importance and power over others? His viciousness tends to come out when he’s feeling threatened or out of control.
Calea is more complicated as she’s insightful enough to evolve away from the monster she was raised to be. So far she’s mostly been concerned with destroying the evidence of her scandalous behavior. She has a thing for helot men, and under normal circumstances this would potentially make her more empathic towards the helotry. It hasn’t because such relationships are taboo and would badly damage her reputation were word to get out. She plays with them because she’s heavily attracted to them and can, and in the name of self-preservation she has them killed once she tires of them. It’s pretty easy to rationalize given that she’s repeatedly been taught that being harrowed is their purpose, and no more helots die than would have otherwise, as another helot would have been executed in her ex’s place. But what if she were to fall in love, not just lust, with someone she’s been taught is little more than cattle? What if through circumstances beyond her control she was forced to spend an extended period of time living with and getting to know such cattle? That would likely humanize them to her and force an evolution in her thinking, as well as potentially quite a bit of remorse and guilt for her previous actions…
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Havie can’t remember his own characters’ genders without his notes! What am I supposed to think, Havie?
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Well to be fair I have problems with names and genders too. And worse real life too. To point adress myself in masculine in Spanish as i am surrounding by guys all day so i get used used masculine.
I am weird lol… and in games are worse. So havie is doing fine 
Me: can remember the genders of practically every nb character I’ve ever made or played for anything, ever, can viciously describe several off the top of my head
Havie: can’t remember the genders of only two of his own nb characters and has to request years-old notes in order to figure it out
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Lol Be grateful is havie and not me lol I don’t even know my own gender and use his for mara sometimes…
I think I am more clumsy person ever with pronouns. I am trying to address anyone as it should but sometimes even forget my own lol You probably would have ended killing me or something that of having pity for clumsy Mara
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My thinking leans very heavily towards, yes , at this point. The fact that Gann is heavily implied not to survive long beyond the events of the first game may hint at Hector taking out his rage at the mc, who continues to elude him, to the only upper caste person previously connected to the mc, Ganelon.
Maybe, maybe not. Guess we’ll see in future games. 
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I’d have to look that tidbit on Gann over again as it’s been awhile, but you may well be right on Hector.
We shall see. She’s done some very evil things, but I tend to see Calea as being capable of evolving under the right kind of pressure whereas Hector sadly will just double down on what he’s already been doing until he’s either broken or destroyed. As far as Hector is concerned the MC is to blame for everything and only the MC’s head on a stick and the brutal crushing of the rebellion will suffice to make amends. Calea’s objective, the survival of herself and her family, is far more nuanced, and not necessarily at cross purposes with the MC’s rebellion.