Lmao and thus they fall for someones mad conspiracy theory
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How the fuck does Saine making a reasonable plan of “If my formerly dead best friend came back to life as a seemingly mind controlled zombie that’s working for the people who are trying to not only undo all that we are but that we also went to war against not too long ago, I’ll take him out if need be” equal a personal attack and that we can’t trust him?
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I mean I agree with you, but just saying, it wouldn’t exactly be the first time you’ve just shown up out of nowhere under suspicious circumstances and done something that completely goes against your moral compass only for later details to come out that completely change the circumstances of your actions.
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not what i meant with that post saine’s plan makes sense, but i think it would be easy to take it the wrong way if you were the mage and his brother already killed you lol.
i don’t think it would be insane for mc to conclude that like “sure he loved me but the family business comes first and now i’m running with a bunch of arcadian mages who want to topple the country and it’s not like param gave me the benefit of the doubt last time.”
im saying that trust issues could lead mc to the least generous conclusion, and you know, drama is fun.
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My take?
The friendship was real when it was happening, I suppose? Same goes for Leon and his romance (right up to the point he kills the mage, anyway).
Possibly, if the MC is being forced to work with Arcadia, instead of choosing to do so, Saine may be cool, but if the MC is working with the Arcadians (of he thinks they’re a zombie), I think Saine intends to off them. Either way, he’s taking Leon’s side–if the MC isn’t doing the same, they’re toast. Again.
Honestly, I think the only one an MC who no longer likes the Param crowd can trust is Aunt Bess. Though, given how things are going, she might get a pitchfork, too.
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I hope for our sake that doesn’t happen. If even Aunt Bess turns against the MC, I’m gonna spiral down into depression.
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You and me both. The mage is constantly in no-win situations (if they choose Param, everyone in Arcadia except Eli hates them, and if they choose Arcadia, everyone in Param will hate them), and the only one they could really count on was Aunt Bess (and Eli).
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The only happy ending I can think of for my MC is to live a quiet life with both Eli and Aunt Bess like a family, and let both Param and Arcadia deal with their own stupid war.
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I have yet to try Eli’s route. I need to, because I like him, but Aella sees him like a brother and gravitated toward F (and possibly the poly with Yu). Maybe I need another mage…
Though, I think Aella would be happy if she, Eli, and Aunt Bess just went off and lived like a family, away from all this bullshit.
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however fair it is for saine to want to protect his country, i think it could be fun if this kind of event pushes some mcs fully into the arms of the arcadians. like the statue, like the festival, it almost takes away mc’s right to be resentful about what happened to them. it’s like, “sure we shouldn’t have killed you, but if saint mage doesn’t immediately forgive and win us another war, then they’re the bad guy.” it’s like the instant mc isn’t falling over themselves trying to do everything for their loved ones, they try to kill them. that’s heartbreaking!
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Yeah, that’s why I don’t consider the friendship with Saine to be “real”. If your friend can’t understand why people turning on you and burning you alive wouldn’t piss you off and turn you against them, then they aren’t a friend. And it really makes me hate the Param bunch altogether.
I wonder if Ilya will be more understanding and pragmatic. Or if she’ll be like, “We built you this statue and have this cool festival in your honor. That should be enough for you to let it go and bow down to Leon again, right? And to go back to constantly risking your life and bleeding for people who spat on you?”
Aella: “Not even close, bud.”
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Nope, they cannot count on Eli either. Eli made themselves their chief jailer, they may think they do it out of concern for mc, but it goes very much against my mc’s wishes. Plus the healing they do is just an unending cycle of torture on Thalia’s orders, mc must be very painfully healed, so that they can then torture themselves with the parasites and then they must be healed by Eli again, which is also torture. My mc certaily doesn’t trust Eli anymore either. For the Insanity ending to be worth anything I’m kinda hoping mc can kill Eli in the end too (I mean that is what you get for trusting a person driven insane Eli).
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I didn’t realize that Eli was like a jailer, since my mage is fine with Arcadia, at the moment. Or, rather, she likes everyone but Thalia, and thinks Param is terrible to all Arcadians. And she doesn’t mind getting more power, so much–it will help her kill anyone else who tries to freaking burn her alive again.
So pretty much it’s the mage vs the world, unless they’re willing to submit to be abused by one side or the other.
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Interesting discussions. And thanks for the free spoilers.
Just want to share a quote from my favorite LN:
“It makes sense for you to seek vengeance. Your resolve will not waver, I know. But if you want to resent, kill, and take control fairly, then don’t be surprised when the audience bared their fangs at you, because in the end, both sides are perpetrators, and both sides are victims. Killers are killed, and the cycle of revenge just closes only when the killer side surrenders.” - Torture Princess to Revenger.
Neutral gang, let me see your hands. I’m too old for this revenge drama.
Btw, since Ilya once said she would run away with the Mage in the jail scene I hope she will follow the neutral Mage too. Do you think that is possible? (yeah I know maybe she couldn’t keep her emotion and said that without thinking but I can’t help but believe in that…)
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Neutral gang here! And yeah, the quote you shared is kinda exactly what my mage think about this whole mess. They basically died to stop the war not to start another however justified the cause is.
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Wait, what is this about?
Oh okay, gotcha! I thought it was referring to some other part I missed. Thanks!
If you try to escape Arcadia, you get tortured, and it’s Eli‘s job to make sure you don’t die, let’s just say the process isn’t very fun
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Does completely indifferent count as neutral?
My mc has his own goals, which are first to get the parasites out, second to snoop around Salantira to see if he can find a good portrait or any journals of his real mom and third retire to Leaf’s end, become an innkeeper’s son and never leave, use magic or bother with the outside world again.
Even if you do not escape using the parasites is torture for the mc and Eli constantly needing to heal you after is a far from painless process, all so you can then turn around and use the parasites again, which is very unpleasant for mc. Kinda like breaking your legs, getting healed and learning to walk again, only to need to break them again doing crazy stunts, repeat ad nauseam. The only thing you don’t get is the additional torture, otherwise the cycle of pain is largely the same.
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WTAF??? I thought Eli was nice, and actually cared about the MC! Ugh. I won’t be playing Eli’s route, then.
I’m tempted to make a mage that wants to escape Arcadia, though, just so I can have one that wants to kill everyone on both sides. Seems everyone pretty much sucks!
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Pretty sure there is a planned ending where you can just straight up commit mass genocide on both sides. I think there is a hidden madness stat that can trigger it
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